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[BluMighty]

Note: When I say relationships, I don't mean just romances. I mean also friendships, rivalries, etc.

We all know about where the crew members of the Normandy 1 and 2 felt about Shepard. Tali has a crush on Shepard, Garrus considers Shepard to be a sort of mentor, Wrex considers him/her to be a friend, etc...

But what about the crewmembers relationships with each other? I noticed that one of the complaints of Mass Effect 2 was the fact that the old members of the first Normandy team didn't acknowledge each other at all .We had ONE conversation between Tali and Garrus about elevators in the first game, but that's about it (Garrus even says that he considers Shepard to be his only friend). We didn't see any special acknowledgment if we brought those guys to Tuchanka or Horizon either.

The first game isn't that much better. We get the elevator banter, but that's about it. Every member of the old team kind stuck themselves to a corner and really didn't seem to interact. We have ONE line from Ashley that seems to indicate that she and Kaidan chat occassionally, but that's about it.

How do you guys feel about this? Do you think the crewmates in either game show that they really interact at all off screen? Is this an intentional move from the writers to show that our crewmembers don't really have a relationship, and that they're here solely for Shepard? 

Do you want this to be changed/addressed in Mass Effect 3, or do you not care? 

[MythicalKnight]

 I think the relationships are there, they are of varying degrees between "just a crewmate" and "friend." However, I think what is causing your confusion on the matter is the fact that we as Shepard don't get to see those kinds of interactions between two crewmates like we do between crew and Shepard.

If you go "talk" to Kasumi often enough she will sometimes comment on another squadmate or crewmember. She will definitely make a comment on your LI and a few about Jacob (which makes me chuckle).

What is missing in ME2 (as in all  forms of entertainment media) is a sense of the short term passage of time. Back to the Kasumi example. Certain comments she makes about Miranda, Jacob and Zaeed tell me that short periods of time pass without the player realizing.

[frostajulie]

Also game writing is developing and getting better all the time, at least now characters talk to each other previous generations of RPG's had character party memebers pretty much ignoring each other, I do hope the bantar and dynamics of ME3 are as rich and interesting and funny as DAO. But we maty never see a game as awesome as DAO again. Rich luxurious character development.

[TheMakoMaster]

include parts like the Dr Chakwas scene, but make them more frequent and include other crew members/squad mates

[BTG_01]

I would be thrilled if they have two squadmates close together on the Normandy and in conversations with one, the presence of the other would be acknowledged. Sort of the way the conversations with Joker drew EDI in periodically.

[DoNotIngest]

I think I *may* have sensed something going on between Miranda & Jack.




...Seriously, though, it's been said many a time (not that it isn't good to say it again): More inter-party banter FTW! Hell, the more words that come out of the squad, the better.

[ladyvader]

MythicalKnight wrote...

 I think the relationships are there, they are of varying degrees between "just a crewmate" and "friend." However, I think what is causing your confusion on the matter is the fact that we as Shepard don't get to see those kinds of interactions between two crewmates like we do between crew and Shepard.

If you go "talk" to Kasumi often enough she will sometimes comment on another squadmate or crewmember. She will definitely make a comment on your LI and a few about Jacob (which makes me chuckle).

What is missing in ME2 (as in all  forms of entertainment media) is a sense of the short term passage of time. Back to the Kasumi example. Certain comments she makes about Miranda, Jacob and Zaeed tell me that short periods of time pass without the player realizing.

"That Jacob, mmmmmm."  Love that comment.

Kasumi seems to be the only one that makes comments about what is going onboard the Normandy.  All I want to know is how did Kasumi know about Shepard being with Liara?  She did mention that too after your go to Illium.  

[Ianamus]

The relationships between squadmates and squadmate banter is one of the few areas where I think the Dragon age games really do better than the Mass Effect games. Hopefully the Mass effect team will finally realise this and improve it for the final game. Better late than never.

[ladyvader]

EJ107 wrote...

The relationships between squadmates and squadmate banter is one of the few areas where I think the Dragon age games really do better than the Mass Effect games. Hopefully the Mass effect team will finally realise this and improve it for the final game. Better late than never.

I sorta agree, but the things said between Garrus and Tali when at the Citadel was very funny in ME2. 

[Siansonea]

It does seem like everyone waits in their little container to be activated by Shepard. Just once I'd like to walk into Miranda's office and see Jacob there, even if he's just leaving, or see Tali coming out of the forward battery after having chatted with Garrus. Or have Kasumi sitting in the mess area having a meal with some of the faceless crew folks. Everyone constantly at their post is just silly. These folks need to get lives, hang out with each other more.

[CheeseEnchilada]

While we don't actually see interaction, I like to think it still exists. We never see anyone eat--maybe dinnertime is when everyone crawls out of their holes and sits around the table together. Maybe the shuttle rides are filled with conversation and laughter.

Thankfully, we'll actually be able to see it in ME3. And that is one of the things I'm looking forward to the most.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

I think that this is one of (so far) the major shortcomings of the Mass Effect series. Too much romance, not enough inter-character interaction. ME 2 in particular. If you're going to go dirty dozen, the way to do that is not by spamming 1-on-1 dialogue trees.

[Repearized Miranda]

Don't people pretend anymore? Damn!

Seriously, while I like more animate crew interactions, I think the fact that you can pretend or have it implied (stated in dialog) (ie: Dinner with Kelly/Kelly "demonstrating") isn't too bad either. I did wanna see an actual dinner and sleepover scene, but the dialog was enough to convince me it happened (besides, I could always pretend that more than that went on)

Some things are better left to the imagination, but yeah, I hope to see a more "animated" crew.

Come to of it, they could animate other characters outside the ship.

[TomY90]

I would love more banter between squad mates even slightly especially with the potential banter from everyone from LI's, Friends, Rivals etc

they could realistically resolve this apart from having the odd character talking to you when you turn up and they leave when the dialogue ends. (like DA2 i guess which is the only good thing about it having huge amounts of banter between the squads)

[Maria Caliban]

MythicalKnight wrote...

What is missing in ME2 (as in all  forms of entertainment media) is a sense of the short term passage of time.

Books are an 'entertainment media' that frequently capture a sense of the short term passage of time.

[Zkyire]

EJ107 wrote...

The relationships between squadmates and squadmate banter is one of the few areas where I think the Dragon age games really do better than the Mass Effect games. Hopefully the Mass effect team will finally realise this and improve it for the final game. Better late than never.

/agree

DA does party interactions better than ME.

[ladyvader]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Don't people pretend anymore? Damn!

Seriously, while I like more animate crew interactions, I think the fact that you can pretend or have it implied (stated in dialog) (ie: Dinner with Kelly/Kelly "demonstrating") isn't too bad either. I did wanna see an actual dinner and sleepover scene, but the dialog was enough to convince me it happened (besides, I could always pretend that more than that went on)

Some things are better left to the imagination, but yeah, I hope to see a more "animated" crew.

Come to of it, they could animate other characters outside the ship.

I'm just responding to the bold.  No, people have lost that ablity to use their brain in an imagination type way.   Even if you talk to like Adams in ME, he thinks Tali is great, but we never see them talking.  I doubt very much all characters just stay in their area of the ship.  Because if they did, how does Kasumi know so much of the happenings aboard the Normandy.

[who would know]

For my money, nonexistent. I hope ME3 develop characters in a less insular way.

[Sjaddix]

Agreed its pretty poor.

[baddogkelevra]

 For all of its shortcomings, one great thing about Dragon Age 2 was the interaction between party members. Things like how you could walk in on the end of a conversation, or how if you didn't romance Isabela or Fenris the two would hook up. Little details like that were nice, and I hope to see something similar in ME3.

[DoNotIngest]

baddogkelevra wrote...

 For all of its shortcomings, one great thing about Dragon Age 2 was the interaction between party members. Things like how you could walk in on the end of a conversation, or how if you didn't romance Isabela or Fenris the two would hook up. Little details like that were nice, and I hope to see something similar in ME3.

DA2's characters & interactions were why I didn't trade in DA2 at Gamestop. And if they can do that much for a game like DA2, I'd really like to experience an ME3 with those traits.

[Raiil]

That did make me eh a little; granted, Kasumi seems to have a thing about wandering around and spying on people when cloaked (or that's my theory, at any rate), but only Kasumi and Zaeed of all people- and Joker on occasion- comment on the other squad members unprompted. Also, what was with only being able to ask about Miranda and Jacob in ME2? Not that I dislike them, but what about everyone else?

I agree that DA2 was much better about squad interaction. I also liked in DA:O, when Alistair would comment on the various people in your party and you could give your opinion. I hope for more of that.

[gosimmons]

I'd love more interaction. A feeling of camaraderie/trust among a team like this was certainly  missed. 
But I'd like to see more than what Dragon Age Orgins had, where you needed to stop what you were doing for a moment to hear a short (but humorous) convo. More talking on the ship, more relationships and conflicts.

TheMakoMaster wrote...

include parts like the Dr Chakwas scene, but make them more frequent and include other crew members/squad mates

Yeah, I'd like to see more of that kind of thing too. See people connected to more than just Shepard.

Oh and Mordin's advice on your LI was hilarious. Need more comments on other crewmembers like that.

Modifié par gosimmons, 29 juin 2011 - 01:51 .

[yfullman]

Character interaction is one of the things I believe DA does better than mass effect. I have never gotten that TEAM feel from mass effect. Feels more like a bunch of separate entities who just barely tolerate eachother and only associate with shep :/

[fenix8081]

I think that banter would be difficult, since ME2 was more mission oriented (except for on the Citadel, Illium, and Omega) so there would be less playful banter. However, they could do something like they did in DA2 where party members visit other party members at their home base. Even though they were tiny cutscenes I enjoyed seeing how Varric made the rounds and it would be cool to see more of that in ME3.

Even if it's somewhere along the lines of Miranda/Jack or Tali/Legion conflict, it'd be nice to see some interaction. The Normandy is big, but there's no way the crew has totally avoided making relationships.