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[Brockololly]

Yet another E3 interview with Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka talking about ME3, TOR and at the 7 minute mark DA2 and the DA franchise.

Pretty much the same stuff  as the other prior E3 interviews.

A couple quotes:

Zeschuk: "We did some things that, maybe people didn't like as much. But it was actually all purposeful in that we wanted to make it more immediate with a larger sense of action..."

Muzyka: "The game has been very critically and commercially successful. Commercially successful in that it drew a lot of people into the universe. Critically successful with a lot of new fans and we want to take the feedback of the fans who loved Dragon Age Origins to heart as well."

Muzyka: "We're taking that feedback and actually trying to enact that in the downloadable content for Dragon Age 2. And for future products in the franchise, you know we're going to actually see the best of both worlds. Thats where we're aspiring to.

Mostly the same stuff as before with the annoying notion that most of DA2's problems were people who couldn't handle change but not that the problem might have been in the lackluster implementation of the change as well.

And Muzyka also seems to parrot what Laidlaw said a while back on an optimal DA game being a mix of DA2 and DAO- the "best of both worlds." Question is, what the hell do the developers consider the "best" from DAO and DA2? Cause a good chunk of the problem with DA2 was in not really recognizing the strengths of DAO and carrying those forward, IMO.

And while I know its mostly bloated PR speak, how in the world can they accurately measure what a "new fan" is but whether they enjoyed the game? I see that a lot but it makes no sense.

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 juin 2011 - 12:18 .

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...
Mostly the same stuff as before with the annoying notion that most of DA2's problems were people who couldn't handle change but not that the problem might have been in the lackluster implementation of the change as well.

I agree with you that Bioware, by arguing that DA2's problems are exclusively described by the fact that it is different from DA:O, fail to account for the ways in which it failed to execute. 

Certainly the anti-DA2 buzz was exclusively how it differed from DA:O, but that was back when we still thought they'd execute well.

That being said, criticisms like: PC VO or the combat animations aren't related at all to the implementation.

And Muzyka also seems to parrot what Laidlaw said a while back on an optimal DA game being a mix of DA2 and DAO- the "best of both worlds." Question is, what the hell do the developers consider the "best" from DAO and DA2? Cause a good chunk of the problem with DA2 was in not really recognizing the strengths of DAO and carrying those forward, IMO.

Customization, choice and unique environments, most likely. That's the impression Mr. Laidlaw gave in his Thank You letter.

And while I know its mostly bloated PR speak, how in the world can they accurately measure what a "new fan" is but whether they enjoyed the game? I see that a lot but it makes no sense.

Read feedback on the board, on other forums and user reviews on critic websites? With enough money to burn, you can create some impression so long as you believe everything else is an SRS.

I don't buy it myself, but it might not be impossible. Still silly, though.

[astrallite]

Pretty much all the gaming forums I've looked on, anandtech, hardocp, guru3d, neoseeker, rpgcodex, neogaf, gamespot, tomshardware, etc, about 90% of the posters were slamming the game.

Not sure if the new fans are worth it, but hey, maybe EA disagrees.

Modifié par astrallite, 29 juin 2011 - 12:45 .

[erynnar]

Ah, yes, the it's not DA2, it's you. No, DA2, It isn't me, honey, it's you. LOL!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Here we again, Brock.

I agree with you. It's like the doctor didn't learn anything at all. I think BW is still in a denial phase or maybe this is what marketing advised him to say to reduce the damage done to the IP. I wonder who he is targeting in this interview - the gamers or his stockholders?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 29 juin 2011 - 12:47 .

[_Aine_]

Black holes can draw a lot of things in too.

Ugh. I dislike their PR more than the game. So, the game *is* more successful. See!? It is successful. The question is, compared to what?

I actually am starting to believe that they *believe* what they say which is scary. Scary because the more they spin it like this, the less I like the ride. :/   I liked it better when the fans here being critical were the bad guys and they (BW) didn't say how great they were.  

Edit: There *is* a good deal of positivity in that same interview.  you can tell wholeheartedly they want *more* fans, *more* and new fans rather and hope to keep the old ones (or a percentage of them) around for the ride.    

Modifié par shantisands, 29 juin 2011 - 01:12 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 29 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[adlocutio]

It's possible for PhD CEOs to be blinded by what they want to believe, but I don't think that's the case. Regardless of net, any intelligent businessman wants to grow his business, And fundamental to growth is the maintenance of your base.

It's possible DA2 earned more money than DA:O due to lower investment, but don't think for a second it doesn't bother them that it won't sell as many units. They want and expect growth, so selling more units means maximising old and new customers.

That means they will throw the old customers a bone. I'm completely persuaded of that. What I don't know is if they'll actually make the choices or investment necessary to simply make a great game, be it DLC, Xpack, or DA3.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

At least he didn't say innovative. At this point, I'm really beyond caring as we've heard these sentiments time and time again.

[Serpieri Nei]

erynnar wrote...

Ah, yes, the it's not DA2, it's you. No, DA2, It isn't me, honey, it's you. LOL!

He's still spouting that? Thought he moved to innovation.

Anyways, like the new avatar Erynnar.

[_Aine_]

I want them to wear a "Bioware: MOAR Fanz = MOAR Innovationz" tee for one of these videos. Come on, it would look stylish and practical!

Seriously though: I am interested in this "blend of old and new" they mentioned, though. Will wait...guardedly optimistic.

[mousestalker]

I think of all the Bioware games, DA2 is the one that needs a hug the most.

[Melca36]

When Dragon Age 3 and some serious changes are made to bring some of the fans you are going to be reading interviews like this:

"While DA:2 was a good game by its own accord, we made some missteps in how the story was told and the game mechanics. With DA:3 we improved what worked in DA:2 and reincorporated some elementsfrom Origins and hope to bridge the gap between both games and create something that the new fans contiue to love while hopefully luring old fans to come back."

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

[Zjarcal]

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

I scored DA2 higher than 9 and it would NOT bother me in the least to hear the developers talk about what went wrong with that game when DA3 is released. Just as I rated DAO higher than 9 and it did not bother me to hear them criticize elements of it (with the exception of the marketing guy interview).

[Maria Caliban]

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

They've already said there were problems with DA 2 and things they'd want to address in DA 3: Kittens are Awesome.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

They've already said there were problems with DA 2 and things they'd want to address in DA 3: Kittens are Awesome.

Kitten = Awesome.

Push a kitten, something awesome happens. Kitten, awesome... connected now, in Dragon Age 3.

[ipgd]

Melca36 wrote...
And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

No it won't.

[hoorayforicecream]

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

I'm confused. If I liked DA2, and DA3 is better than DA2, why would I be angry that DA3 is better? Or are you trying to say that the devs will rip DA2 apart with their criticisms? I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

[jlb524]

Melca36 wrote...

"While DA:2 was a good game by its own accord, we made some missteps in how the story was told and the game mechanics. With DA:3 we improved what worked in DA:2 and reincorporated some elementsfrom Origins and hope to bridge the gap between both games and create something that the new fans contiue to love while hopefully luring old fans to come back."

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

Except I agree with that.

[Melca36]

Zjarcal wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

I scored DA2 higher than 9 and it would NOT bother me in the least to hear the developers talk about what went wrong with that game when DA3 is released. Just as I rated DAO higher than 9 and it did not bother me to hear them criticize elements of it (with the exception of the marketing guy interview).

Yeah but you have seen the flaws in DA:2 while others think its perfect. 

Theres no such thing as a flawless game. I can see the faults in both.  

As long as they keep the rivalry system and continue to fine tune it and have great  fleshed out characters like Aveline, Varric and Isabela. I'll be happy

[Melca36]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

I'm confused. If I liked DA2, and DA3 is better than DA2, why would I be angry that DA3 is better? Or are you trying to say that the devs will rip DA2 apart with their criticisms? I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

Well it was done to Origins. But maybe that won't happen again.   One can hope.

[astrallite]

The hype machine will be in full force in DA3. No better way to drum up excitement than to say how it's better in every way compared to its predecessor.

Modifié par astrallite, 29 juin 2011 - 01:47 .

[Melca36]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

They've already said there were problems with DA 2 and things they'd want to address in DA 3: Kittens are Awesome.

Yes I am aware of that but there are people who think the game is flawlessly perfect and they will be the ones pissed off with DA: 3

Its a neverending cycle.

[Maria Caliban]

There is no such thing as a perfect game. If someone thinks a game is perfect then yes, they're going to be upset when someone tells them it's not, but that not a bad thing. BioWare shouldn't have to tiptoe around fans who think all their games should be exactly like game X, which they adore.

Melca36 wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Mark my words, DA:2 will be heavily critiqued when DA:3 comes out. And it will really ****** off the fans who scored it a 9 or higher.

I'm confused. If I liked DA2, and DA3 is better than DA2, why would I be angry that DA3 is better? Or are you trying to say that the devs will rip DA2 apart with their criticisms? I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

Well it was done to Origins.

BioWare did not 'rip apart' DA:O. They pointed out a number of problems that it had. You don't have to agree with what they saw as problems, but criticizing a game or suggesting improvements is only ripping at it in fanboy land.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 29 juin 2011 - 01:52 .