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[Lord_Valandil]

xkg wrote...
Not listed ? Ok be my guest and go visit this link:
http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

Look at the first review then comeback and tell me what you see.

Oh, so it was there. Thank the Maker...I thought I imagined it or something.
My point still stands, then.

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Still, the 360 reviews also
include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big
chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown
out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

Guess he didn't receive a paycheck from EA.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 29 juin 2011 - 11:57 .

[Mr.House]

Aaleel wrote...

Origins was designed for the PC, and ported horribly at a different time for consoles.  DA2 was designed for all at once, and on the XBox it didn't even break 80.  Also how many game of the year awards did DA:O win?  I think the critical success of that game is undisputed.

Seeing asaward time is not even around yett you can't really say DA2 was failure, if it wins awards(which it will, will it win GOTY, no.)

Yes DAO won alot of awards, ME2 also won alot of awards and the ME fanbase is still fractured. DA2 sold over 2 mil(not as much as DAO but still two mil) and it  has over an 80 on metacritic. It was a crittical and commerical success, it was however a fanbase failure.

[MorrigansLove]

100%?! Jesus Christ, now that's pushing it a little!

And by a little, I mean right off the cliff!

Modifié par MorrigansLove, 29 juin 2011 - 11:58 .

[Mr.House]

xkg wrote...

Not listed ? Ok be my guest and go visit this link:
http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

Look at the first review then comeback and tell me what you see.

1: That's a console
2: I'm talking about PC
3: The 360 version of DAo was also not hot.

Nice try.

[xkg]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Still, the 360 reviews also include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

No because imo 2/10 is faaar more accurate than 100/100 (in case of DA2 of course)

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Lol. Debating metacritic scores? I guess I expected it, but...

BSN. BSN never changes.

[Aaleel]

Mr.House wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Origins was designed for the PC, and ported horribly at a different time for consoles.  DA2 was designed for all at once, and on the XBox it didn't even break 80.  Also how many game of the year awards did DA:O win?  I think the critical success of that game is undisputed.

Seeing asaward time is not even around yett you can't really say DA2 was failure, if it wins awards(which it will, will it win GOTY, no.)

Yes DAO won alot of awards, ME2 also won alot of awards and the ME fanbase is still fractured. DA2 sold over 2 mil(not as much as DAO but still two mil) and it  has over an 80 on metacritic. It was a crittical and commerical success, it was however a fanbase failure.

When did I say DA2 was a "failure" I said how can you set a goal, miss that goal, and then say the game was successful. 

That's like when I was playing basketball in college.  If we set a goal to have a 20 win season and won 17.  Other people may say 17 wins is a good season by their standards.  But we as a team can't turn around and say it was a successful season when we didn't even reach the goal we set.

Modifié par Aaleel, 30 juin 2011 - 12:02 .

[Mr.House]

xkg wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Still, the 360 reviews also include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

No because imo 2/10 is faaar more accurate than 100/100 (in case of DA2 of course)

A review is still a review. The 360 version has a very harsh one and a very positive one, there is no diffrence. Get your DAO loving hat off and judge fairly.

[hoorayforicecream]

xkg wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Still, the 360 reviews also include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

No because imo 2/10 is faaar more accurate than 100/100 (in case of DA2 of course)

This link may be of use to you.

[xkg]

Mr.House wrote...

xkg wrote...

Not listed ? Ok be my guest and go visit this link:
http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

Look at the first review then comeback and tell me what you see.

1: That's a console
2: I'm talking about PC
3: The 360 version of DAo was also not hot.

Nice try.

You didn't mention PC

Mr.House wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...
I have said several times that I don't have any problems with people liking the game. To each their own.
But as a "professional" critic, giving it a 100 and saying that it's the pinnacle of the RPG genre...well.........

That review is also not listed on metacritic

So don't play the fool now.

[xkg]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

xkg wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Still, the 360 reviews also include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

No because imo 2/10 is faaar more accurate than 100/100 (in case of DA2 of course)

This link may be of use to you.

No i don't need that because when you learn to read you will see this
"... because imo ..." you know that short ? It means "IN MY OPINION"

[Mr.House]

xkg wrote...

So don't play the fool now.

Seeing as I own the PC version and talk about the PC version, why would I talk about the 360 version? That makes no sense, I could give a dam what the 360 version has, the point is one postive one is also with a very harsh one, there is no diffrence. More so when people think any positive review of DA2 means they where paid off.

[hoorayforicecream]

xkg wrote...

You didn't mention PC

It was implied when the link went to the DA2 PC metacritic page. Something you'd have known if you actually clicked it.

[errant_knight]

simfamSP wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

We'll see if you actually listened in the upcoming DLC.

Which is precisely what I said previously in this thread. I can say 'we're listening, we're listening' until i'm blue in the face, but it won't be until we release new content that you'll see what that means. I'm not suggesting you just take my word for it - in fact, I've suggested exactly the opposite in this very thread.

And that will have to suffice.

You guys don't deserve this crap

I've never seen John Epler spin, parse words, or shovel manure. That gives him a lot of credibility with me.

[Lord_Valandil]

Mr.House wrote...

xkg wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Still, the 360 reviews also include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

No because imo 2/10 is faaar more accurate than 100/100 (in case of DA2 of course)

A review is still a review. The 360 version has a very harsh one and a very positive one, there is no diffrence. Get your DAO loving hat off and judge fairly.

I guess I can judge fairly.
I love DAO, but it's not perfect by any means. In fact...I've bashed enough its many problems and half-baked DLC.
And I really wanted to love DA2. I'm being dead serious...I pre-ordered the Signature Edition and gave my 60 bucks to EA and Bioware...then I played it. Didn't like it. Not the worst game ever...but it's certainly a disaster. At least for me...and I know, my opinion is just my opinion and it doesn't have to matter to anyone else. But I won't praise something that doesn't deserve any praise.

[hoorayforicecream]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

I guess I can judge fairly.
I love DAO, but it's not perfect by any means. In fact...I've bashed enough its many problems and half-baked DLC.
And I really wanted to love DA2. I'm being dead serious...I pre-ordered the Signature Edition and gave my 60 bucks to EA and Bioware...then I played it. Didn't like it. Not the worst game ever...but it's certainly a disaster. At least for me...and I know, my opinion is just my opinion and it doesn't have to matter to anyone else. But I won't praise something that doesn't deserve any praise.

Nobody's asking for praise. What Epler was asking for was civility.

[Lord_Valandil]

Mr.House wrote...

xkg wrote...

So don't play the fool now.

Seeing as I own the PC version and talk about the PC version, why would I talk about the 360 version? That makes no sense, I could give a dam what the 360 version has, the point is one postive one is also with a very harsh one, there is no diffrence. More so when people think any positive review of DA2 means they where paid off.

Not..."any".
Destructoid gave DA2 a 7 out of 10, and that's being generous...but reasonable.
Giving it a 100 is just ridiculous, no matter how much you liked the game.

[Lord_Valandil]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

I guess I can judge fairly.
I love DAO, but it's not perfect by any means. In fact...I've bashed enough its many problems and half-baked DLC.
And I really wanted to love DA2. I'm being dead serious...I pre-ordered the Signature Edition and gave my 60 bucks to EA and Bioware...then I played it. Didn't like it. Not the worst game ever...but it's certainly a disaster. At least for me...and I know, my opinion is just my opinion and it doesn't have to matter to anyone else. But I won't praise something that doesn't deserve any praise.

Nobody's asking for praise. What Epler was asking for was civility.

I'm being civil, I'm not threatening anyone or calling names to users or devs.
But whatever.

[Ollys]

JohnEpler wrote...
voiced protagonist, companion equipping, combat speed - that there's no
easy 'well, THIS is the right way to handle this' solution to.

Whats about copypast locations? That was easy solution, yeah?

[Gibb_Shepard]

JohnEpler wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...


As to elaborating? No, you're correct - I won't. Not because I don't have particular instances in mind, but because until final decisions are made and we're told 'this is what we're going to do going forward', I can't say 'hey everyone, we're keeping/getting rid of/massively overhauling X because people loved it/hated it/likened it to a banana split' because the moment I say anything like that, it'll be taken as the Word of God. Not to mention that, while some folks no doubt wish this weren't the case, we're all limited in what we can say publically because, hey, NDAs and other agreements that we sign when we get employed here.  But there are examples of highly divisive issues all over the forums - voiced protagonist, companion equipping, combat speed - that there's no easy 'well, THIS is the right way to handle this' solution to.

Pretty sure this is not a divisive issue at all. I'm actually quite certain the entire community want companion equipping. May seem like a sweeping generalisation, but i've never run into anyone who wanted the companion outfits to be completely set.

[Mr.House]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

xkg wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Still, the 360 reviews also include the 2/10 given to it by the GameCritics guy who has a pretty big chip on his shoulder given the language he uses. Should that be thrown out alongside the guy at the escapist who loved the game?

No because imo 2/10 is faaar more accurate than 100/100 (in case of DA2 of course)

A review is still a review. The 360 version has a very harsh one and a very positive one, there is no diffrence. Get your DAO loving hat off and judge fairly.

I guess I can judge fairly.
I love DAO, but it's not perfect by any means. In fact...I've bashed enough its many problems and half-baked DLC.
And I really wanted to love DA2. I'm being dead serious...I pre-ordered the Signature Edition and gave my 60 bucks to EA and Bioware...then I played it. Didn't like it. Not the worst game ever...but it's certainly a disaster. At least for me...and I know, my opinion is just my opinion and it doesn't have to matter to anyone else. But I won't praise something that doesn't deserve any praise.

Sorry, buy saying reviewers where paid off because they gave the game is a positive review does not help your case. You could be tellnig the truth and you really wanted to like DA2 and you did judge it fairly but comments like that don't help your cases.

Now I'm not saying that review was true(Personly, I don't think DA2 deserves anything above a 9.0) but not everyone who rated the game positive is blind or paid off.

[xkg]

Mr.House wrote...

xkg wrote...

So don't play the fool now.

Seeing as I own the PC version and talk about the PC version, why would I talk about the 360 version? That makes no sense, I could give a dam what the 360 version has, the point is one postive one is also with a very harsh one, there is no diffrence. More so when people think any positive review of DA2 means they where paid off.

Stop being dense. Your logic is failing you completly.
Neither of you mention the platform.

Mr.House wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...
I have said several times that I don't have any problems with people liking the game. To each their own.
But as a "professional" critic, giving it a 100 and saying that it's the pinnacle of the RPG genre...well.........

That review is also not listed on metacritic

He said that there is a 100 review. You didnt ask him what platform is he talking about.
I don't care what platform you are playing on. You have said that there is NO SUCH REVIEW ON METACRITIC. But there is.
Thats all i have to say to you.

Modifié par xkg, 30 juin 2011 - 12:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Pretty sure this is not a divisive issue at all. I'm actually quite certain the entire community want companion equipping. May seem like a sweeping generalisation, but i've never run into anyone who wanted the companion outfits to be completely set.

Then you haven't been on these boards for long.

[Yrkoon]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

The goal of any company that sells product is not to sell more product, the goal is to make money. You don't make as much money by selling 10 million units product that cost $X each and sell for $X+1 when you can sell 3 million units that cost $X each and sell for $X+5. Sure, there is some volume involved, but the goal isn't just to move units, it's to make money.

Wait....  you've yet to establish that DA2 has made more money than  Origins.  You've yet to establish that it's been  more profitable  in any way.

So we're back to square 1.   No, excuse me, we're not back to square one.  Because  a) we've still got the volume numbers staring us in the face,  and   we've got Bioware guys from the CEO level on down making the rounds, telling everyone that they're actively addressing the hurricane of criticisms  of the game.  Which is something they wouldn't be wasting their time doing if  the game had met or exceeded their financial goals.  (Read: if it had suceeded)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 juin 2011 - 12:18 .