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[Cutlasskiwi]

Monica83 wrote...

Weell someone likes:

Mediocre plot
Ennemy from nowhere
Reused Areas
Lack of ennemy creature variety
Lack of details on areas
Mangatard animations
Imbarassing gigglesquee of merryl (that try to be a Tali but don't have a chance)
Final fantasy look character (fernis *coff coff*)
Hentai pirates (isabela with corset and panties)
Exploding Ennemy
Herp Deeerp dialogues....

In the end is only a matter of tastes.... I don't like those things at all

As someone who like DA2, I don't think I would like any of those things. Good thing most of those aren't in DA2. I hate it when someone say they like DA2 and people makes ridiculous lists like that. <_<


...I need a cup of coffee.  

Modifié par Yellow Words, 30 juin 2011 - 07:01 .

[Realmzmaster]

xkg wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

ERJAK1 wrote...

No offense meant to anyone but DA2 was vastly superior to DA:O. in terms of everything except the romances, those could have been a bit more fleshed out.

Tell that to the reviews, user ratings, sales...
DA2 was inferior,and by the end of the year you'll see it.

In his/her opinion DA2 was superior. Does not matter to him/her what the reviews, user ratings or sales say. The only point that matters to him/her or any who like DA2 is that they got their money's worth.
What you are saying may matters to EA/Bioware and those who did not like DA2.

And yet, it does.
http://social.biowar...87403/5#7770065

I stand corrected. But my basic premise does not change. Some of those who liked DA2 do not care about reviews, user ratings or sales.
I played many games that will not even get the sales of DA2 and throughly enjoyed them. Sales has no bearing on enjoyment or lack there of.

[Mr.House]

Monica83 wrote...

Weell someone likes:

Mediocre plot
Ennemy from nowhere
Reused Areas
Lack of ennemy creature variety
Lack of details on areas
Mangatard animations
Imbarassing gigglesquee of merryl (that try to be a Tali but don't have a chance)
Final fantasy look character (fernis *coff coff*)
Hentai pirates (isabela with corset and panties)
Exploding Ennemy
Herp Deeerp dialogues....

In the end is only a matter of tastes.... I don't like those things at all

Yes because people who like DA2 likes that stuff <_<

Also not everyone feels the sameway as Izzy and Merrill like you do, that's an opinion, not a fact so congrats on fail trolling.

Modifié par Mr.House, 30 juin 2011 - 06:54 .

[Yrkoon]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Mages.     Don't get me started on the hackjob they did with them.    Remember the good old days of 2009, when you could be an arcane warrior?  Forget it.   Not an option anymore.

But unless my memory is playing tricks on me, aren't Arcane Warriors wholly extinct, with the one possible exception of a mage Warden who encounters the phylactery in the Brecilian ruins?

Obviously not, since one of the  human cultists in the Urn of Sacred ashes quest is an arcane warrior.

Not that it matters.  We could say the same thing about Berserkers.  Berserker  is a dwarven warrior discipline.  Are there a lot of dwarven warriors in Kirkwall?  Nope, but Hawke can  pick up the  berserker specialization as soon as he gets to 7th level in act 1.... well before meeting any Carta thugs, or whatever

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 juin 2011 - 07:15 .

[Mr.House]

Yrkoon wrote...

Mages.     Don't get me started on the hackjob they did with them.    Remember the good old days of 2009, when you could be an arcane warrior?  Forget it.   Not an option anymore.  Instead,  DA2 adds more spells.... No wait, it doesn't.   it reduces the spell choices by about 30.

You where saying?

[MorrigansLove]

So, for the people that thought DA2's plot was good, I ask you... how..?

[Mr.House]

MorrigansLove wrote...

So, for the people that thought DA2's plot was good, I ask you... how..?

It's called having an opinion, people have them and they will always be diffrent. Also I found both main plots in both DA games weak, but I sway towards DA2 more since it's not very cliche like DAO nor is it the same story I have read so many times.

But to be frank, both where horrible.

Modifié par Mr.House, 30 juin 2011 - 08:13 .

[John Epler]

Monica83 wrote...

Weell someone likes:

Mediocre plot
Ennemy from nowhere
Reused Areas
Lack of ennemy creature variety
Lack of details on areas
Mangatard animations
Imbarassing gigglesquee of merryl (that try to be a Tali but don't have a chance)
Final fantasy look character (fernis *coff coff*)
Hentai pirates (isabela with corset and panties)
Exploding Ennemy
Herp Deeerp dialogues....

In the end is only a matter of tastes.... I don't like those things at all

I think, perhaps, you need to respect that others have different opinions than yourself and stop trying to create strawmen of position that they are not, in fact, taking. It does you a disservice and it certainly doesn't contribute to any sort of discussion.

[upsettingshorts]

MorrigansLove wrote...

So, for the people that thought DA2's plot was good, I ask you... how..?

Short version =

Political struggle > Monster killing

That's not covering the issues with execution in the former.

[alex90c]

JohnEpler wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

Weell someone likes:

Mediocre plot
Ennemy from nowhere
Reused Areas
Lack of ennemy creature variety
Lack of details on areas
Mangatard animations
Imbarassing gigglesquee of merryl (that try to be a Tali but don't have a chance)
Final fantasy look character (fernis *coff coff*)
Hentai pirates (isabela with corset and panties)
Exploding Ennemy
Herp Deeerp dialogues....

In the end is only a matter of tastes.... I don't like those things at all

I think, perhaps, you need to respect that others have different opinions than yourself and stop trying to create strawmen of position that they are not, in fact, taking. It does you a disservice and it certainly doesn't contribute to any sort of discussion.

Points 2, 3, 4, 5 and 10 are not strawmen.

Everything else is more divided but people tend to be mostly unanimous in disliking Kirkwall's paratroopers, repeated dungeons, same enemies all the time, limited details and gore explosions (though they were fixed in 1.03).

[Sylvius the Mad]

The best of both worlds, I think, would be pure DAO with some of DA2's plot structure.

But I doubt Ray and Greg agree with me.

[John Epler]

alex90c wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

Weell someone likes:

Mediocre plot
Ennemy from nowhere
Reused Areas
Lack of ennemy creature variety
Lack of details on areas
Mangatard animations
Imbarassing gigglesquee of merryl (that try to be a Tali but don't have a chance)
Final fantasy look character (fernis *coff coff*)
Hentai pirates (isabela with corset and panties)
Exploding Ennemy
Herp Deeerp dialogues....

In the end is only a matter of tastes.... I don't like those things at all

I think, perhaps, you need to respect that others have different opinions than yourself and stop trying to create strawmen of position that they are not, in fact, taking. It does you a disservice and it certainly doesn't contribute to any sort of discussion.

Points 2, 3, 4, 5 and 10 are not strawmen.

Everything else is more divided but people tend to be mostly unanimous in disliking Kirkwall's paratroopers, repeated dungeons, same enemies all the time, limited details and gore explosions (though they were fixed in 1.03).

No. What is a strawmen is saying 'here are these concerns with DA2, clearly by liking the game it means you like them all. That's not a position anyone has taken - there is not a single person on these forums (poster or developer) who is saying 'hey, DA2 is perfection and did absolutely nothing wrong.' This is not a position to argue against, because it's not a position anyone is taking.

By reducing those who enjoyed DA2 to this caricature, strawmanning is exactly what's going on. If you have issue with specific things they're discussing, please, feel free to talk about it! This is a discussion forum - if someone says 'hey, I liked the fixed companion appearances for X reason', address X reason and discuss that! That's good, that's constructive, and that contributes to a positive forum environment where people who liked and disliked all or parts of DA2 can have reasoned, civil discourse. But when you ascribe an indefensible position to everyone who disagrees with you, well, I don't think you're interested in discussion anymore, but rather shouting your opinion as loudly and often as possible to drown out anyone who disagrees with you.

And that's not what these forums are for. 

[Dormiglione]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

So, for the people that thought DA2's plot was good, I ask you... how..?

Short version =

Political struggle > Monster killing

That's not covering the issues with execution in the former.

The story plot of DA2 had much potential, if Hawke had the possibility to change active the fate of the city, of the people with his actions. But he was only a protagonist, a spectator of that what happened.

[Whatsupnewyork]

Meh, I felt Origins story was overall better in terms of execution and content. DA2's story was a bunch of sidequests and tried to be realistic in the most unrealistic game ever created.

[Mr.House]

alex90c wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

Weell someone likes:

Mediocre plot
Ennemy from nowhere
Reused Areas
Lack of ennemy creature variety
Lack of details on areas
Mangatard animations
Imbarassing gigglesquee of merryl (that try to be a Tali but don't have a chance)
Final fantasy look character (fernis *coff coff*)
Hentai pirates (isabela with corset and panties)
Exploding Ennemy
Herp Deeerp dialogues....

In the end is only a matter of tastes.... I don't like those things at all

I think, perhaps, you need to respect that others have different opinions than yourself and stop trying to create strawmen of position that they are not, in fact, taking. It does you a disservice and it certainly doesn't contribute to any sort of discussion.

Points 2, 3, 4, 5 and 10 are not strawmen.

Everything else is more divided but people tend to be mostly unanimous in disliking Kirkwall's paratroopers, repeated dungeons, same enemies all the time, limited details and gore explosions (though they were fixed in 1.03).

Wait miscounted, that's 11. My point still stands that not everyone that liked DA2 liked that stuff.

Modifié par Mr.House, 30 juin 2011 - 08:30 .

[Mr.House]

Whatsupnewyork wrote...

Meh, I felt Origins story was overall better in terms of execution and content. DA2's story was a bunch of sidequests and tried to be realistic in the most unrealistic game ever created.

Because DAO was sooooooooooooooo realistic.

[ipgd]

Dormiglione wrote...

The story plot of DA2 had much potential, if Hawke had the possibility to change active the fate of the city, of the people with his actions. But he was only a protagonist, a spectator of that what happened.

I think Hawke's inability to affect the events of the game in a significant capacity was a success of the execution of the narrative, and fit in well with the underpinning themes of the game.

[Dormiglione]

Whatsupnewyork wrote...

Meh, I felt Origins story was overall better in terms of execution and content. DA2's story was a bunch of sidequests and tried to be realistic in the most unrealistic game ever created.

The idea of the story plot for DA2 is good. The execution with all the unrelated sidequest didnt help to focus on the story. Also that you had a "passive" role didnt make it possible to get in the story.

[alex90c]

I'm not saying "I agree, if you liked DA2 it means you as a result liked bad things X, Y and Z", just that of the 11 issues raised, I felt to just call it out as a strawman post was wrong since some of the points while not being what "liking DA2 meant you liked" were still valid concerns on their own.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dormiglione wrote...

The story plot of DA2 had much potential, if Hawke had the possibility to change active the fate of the city, of the people with his actions. But he was only a protagonist, a spectator of that what happened.

I rather liked that Hawke wasn't able to change anything that happened.  Makes him/her seem more of a character than just a catalyst.

[upsettingshorts]

alex90c wrote...

I'm not saying "I agree, if you liked DA2 it means you as a result liked bad things X, Y and Z", just that of the 11 issues raised, I felt to just call it out as a strawman post was wrong since some of the points while not being what "liking DA2 meant you liked" were still valid concerns on their own.

I believe you may have missed his point.

Saying that those who liked DA2 must have liked anything on that list in the first place is in of itself a strawman.

RinjiRenee wrote...

I rather liked that Hawke wasn't able to change anything that happened.  Makes him/her seem more of a character than just a catalyst.

Yup, I agree. I wish the game reacted more to the choices he/she did get to make - even on sidequests, but the fact the mainplot happens more or less regardless isn't an issue for me.  It's the same as the Archdemon always being defeated in my mind.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 juin 2011 - 08:34 .

[Dormiglione]

ipgd wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...

The story plot of DA2 had much potential, if Hawke had the possibility to change active the fate of the city, of the people with his actions. But he was only a protagonist, a spectator of that what happened.

I think Hawke's inability to affect the events of the game in a significant capacity was a success of the execution of the narrative, and fit in well with the underpinning themes of the game.

In fact, if Hawke could have take an active role in the events that happened, if he could have made choices that changed the story itself, the story plot of DA2 would have been more interesting than the story of DAO.

[Dhiro]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The best of both worlds, I think, would be pure DAO with some of DA2's plot structure.

But I doubt Ray and Greg agree with me.

Interesting. But what do you mean by DA2's plot structure? Can you give some exemples?

[Serpieri Nei]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

So, for the people that thought DA2's plot was good, I ask you... how..?

Short version =

Political struggle > Monster killing

That's not covering the issues with execution in the former.

Political struggle…really?

DA2’s story was rags to riches, Giant’s at the door, and templar vs. mages. Basically, three short stories that had its plot cohesion butchered by the frame narrative. And what's even sadder is how overused these stories are in our media, yet people imagine that it has never been done and that is somehow different from Origin's save the world..

Personally, I'd rather have an epic story than three short stories that pretend to be innovative. Yup, threes that word again, Bioware’s new buzzword after they tossed Awesome to the curb.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 30 juin 2011 - 08:40 .

[Dormiglione]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...

The story plot of DA2 had much potential, if Hawke had the possibility to change active the fate of the city, of the people with his actions. But he was only a protagonist, a spectator of that what happened.

I rather liked that Hawke wasn't able to change anything that happened.  Makes him/her seem more of a character than just a catalyst.

But that takes away a good part of the replayability. Because it doesnt matter which decision you take, the outcome is always the same.
I think in terms of:  I made a decision in act 1 that has a drastic effect at the story of Act 2.