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[aftohsix]

Brockololly wrote...

Mostly the same stuff as before with the annoying notion that most of DA2's problems were people who couldn't handle change but not that the problem might have been in the lackluster implementation of the change as well.

...or the annoying notion that it couldn't possibly be the case that some people couldn't handle change.

[Cutlasskiwi]

rolson00 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...


It's called "moron buzzword speak."  Mike is on record as outright hating RPG's and being more of a midless control-mashing CoD type, so his idea of "moving a game in the right direction" would be to give DA3's protagonist an MP5 and have him mash the trigger while bunnyhopping over crates.

I'm quite certain that Mike is not 'on record as outright hating RPG's', and as to the rest of your post - if you'd like to participate in the discussion in a rational fashion, please feel free to do so. If all you're interested in is hyperbole and vitriol, then I would suggest taking a step back from the thread. Thank you.

although john many people got that impression from mike tho iv manage to find an old da2 interview here and another one here saying stuff like this didnt realyy help at all he needs to be carful or he'll end up being like Peter Molyneux! i mean peter makes me ashamed of being british! did you know that fable the jouney was only four months in development when he announced it! come on mike!dont be like that dilusional fool!

I'm not seeing it. What did he say that was so bad in those interviews?  

[rolson00]

Yellow Words wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...


It's called "moron buzzword speak."  Mike is on record as outright hating RPG's and being more of a midless control-mashing CoD type, so his idea of "moving a game in the right direction" would be to give DA3's protagonist an MP5 and have him mash the trigger while bunnyhopping over crates.

I'm quite certain that Mike is not 'on record as outright hating RPG's', and as to the rest of your post - if you'd like to participate in the discussion in a rational fashion, please feel free to do so. If all you're interested in is hyperbole and vitriol, then I would suggest taking a step back from the thread. Thank you.

although john many people got that impression from mike tho iv manage to find an old da2 interview here and another one here saying stuff like this didnt realyy help at all he needs to be carful or he'll end up being like Peter Molyneux! i mean peter makes me ashamed of being british! did you know that fable the jouney was only four months in development when he announced it! come on mike!dont be like that dilusional fool!

I'm not seeing it. What did he say that was so bad in those interviews?  

he said the forums wernt warring when it was like ww3 and talking down old rpgs stuff like that but lets not go there as it never ends well,perhaps i shouldnt have even brought it up

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

I know my opinion on the game changed when I really started to think about why I didn't like the changes in Dragon Age 2.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 29 juin 2011 - 12:46 .

[Master Shiori]

I don't see it either..

[Firky]

KilrB wrote...

Firky wrote...
I guess I'm not really getting a defensive vibe from these interviews. To me they just seem to emphasize that they were happy with the game they made but that they are also keen to address less favourable feedback from fans. To me, it sounds genuine.

But I'd agree that prolonged criticism online would lead to media interest. IMO, it's good that the Drs (and others) are engaging in a dialogue with their fans. (I've seen lots of games get panned by fans and/or critics in recent years and heard absolutely nothing from their designers or publishers.)

PS. He may have given a lot of interviews at E3, and many interviewers may have thought asking about Dragon Age was appropriate.

Dialog?

What freaking dialog?

This is all pr speak and damage control, there is no dialog going on here.

Well, I suppose I did mean "it's good that the Drs are engaging in a dialogue with interviewers and acknowledging that many fans were disappointed." By "dialogue" in this case, I just mean answering their questions. They could request that interviewers didn't ask about DAII at all and decline other interview requests if they really wanted to.

It doesn't really come across as PR speak, to me. It seems fairly well considered in advance, but genuine. (But we all interpret these things differently, I guess.)

[rolson00]

mrcrusty wrote...

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known! the people who make witcher are onlyu a lttle abopuve arverage

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

rolson00 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known! the people who make witcher are onlyu a lttle abopuve arverage

Lol. Story, weak?

Meh, if you say so. Not in the mood to argue the point. Besides, I'm sure KoP is lurking around here somewhere.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 29 juin 2011 - 12:52 .

[rolson00]

mrcrusty wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known! the people who make witcher are onlyu a lttle abopuve arverage

Lol. Story, weak?

Meh, if you say so. Not in the mood to argue the point. Besides, I'm sure KoP is lurking around here somewhere.

the era it was set people feared albionos as deamons or had no souls so they killed them on sight.

[Bullets McDeath]

Whatever gets you to sleep at night, Dr. Ray.

[KilrB]

rolson00 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known! the people who make witcher are onlyu a lttle abopuve arverage

I beg to differ on both accounts.

Have you bothered to play it?

TW2, story and all, can easily hold it's own against DA:O.

Understandable since they've had a few years now to IMPROVE on the original.

A lesson that Bioware did not learn apparently.

[rolson00]

KilrB wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known! the people who make witcher are onlyu a lttle abopuve arverage

I beg to differ on both accounts.

Have you bothered to play it?

TW2, story and all, can easily hold it's own against DA:O.

Understandable since they've had a few years now to IMPROVE on the original.

A lesson that Bioware did not learn apparently.

your right i havnt played first impressions are everything to me and both games made me go "meh". they added a load of sex to make up for whatever shortcomings it has. but lets keep this in the the witcher 2 threads k?

Modifié par rolson00, 29 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[Bmeszaros]

 some of these qoutes could be construed that they intentionally put out a subpar product only to allow their reputation with DLC (which has taken a heavy hit in the last year or two) to be lauded....

Modifié par Bmeszaros, 29 juin 2011 - 01:08 .

[Yrkoon]

rolson00 wrote...
yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known!

But it wasn't.        It's pointless to discuss  "what-ifs" based on fantasy  timelines.   And Witcher 2's story is quite good, btw.

Otherwise, I'd  definitely agree.  I thought DA:O was  many magnitudes better than Witcher 2.  However, time line  reality being what it is, Witcher 2 is not competing with DA:O.  It's competing with DA2.  And that's why we're hearing SO much Witcher 2 praise on this forum.    And it doesn't help at all that it  just happens to be  a flat out  better game than DA2.

But that's something that Bioware is just going to have to deal with.  There's hungry, young  and talented  competition out there producing RPGs, and even action rpgs..  And if   Muzika, Laidlaw and Co. continue to cut  corners,  and rush out their projects like they did with DA2, they're going to   lose the RPG market fanbase that they spent more than a DECADE building up.   We're seeing the start of this already.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 29 juin 2011 - 01:31 .

[Monica83]

rolson00 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Eh... I didn't see anything like that.

Obviously, some people were happy with the changes and others not so much. But let's break it down. I mean, when you think about, really think about it, I believe that the negative feedback regarding Dragon Age 2 aren't necessarily conceptual, at least for many people. It's rushed, botched or otherwise half-baked execution of their ideas.

This is especially apparent when you look at how people regard Witcher 2, which uses many of the same mechanics and ideas as Dragon Age 2.

yea people worshiping witcher 2 is annoying the story looks  weak. if DA:O had been released when da 2 was TW2 wouldnt even be known! the people who make witcher are onlyu a lttle abopuve arverage

TW2 story weak?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Oh please... TW2 story is a lot more complex and better than the dragon age 2 one-- IMO the witcher 2 is a better game in all aspects..
Now continue with this nosense talking is just funny
anyways mcrussty have right

[WidowMaker9394]

I did not enjoy DA2. I am a social recluse who fear change and I am rooted in the old ways to such a point I am considered unthinkable as a potential customer for the edgy new Bioware.

I am an idiot.

[Gunderic]

Bmeszaros wrote...

 some of these qoutes could be construed that they intentionally put out a subpar product only to allow their reputation with DLC (which has taken a heavy hit in the last year or two) to be lauded....

That's brilliant! Create a substandard piece of software that splits the community in two and sends back a wave of scathing backlash to the developers... only to win back  your credibility and integrity the hearts of fans everywhere by giving away selling ten-dollar priced downloadable content goodness! 

[aftohsix]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I did not enjoy DA2. I am a social recluse who fear change and I am rooted in the old ways to such a point I am considered unthinkable as a potential customer for the edgy new Bioware.

I am an idiot.

You said it, not me.

[alex90c]

Gunderic wrote...

Bmeszaros wrote...

 some of these qoutes could be construed that they intentionally put out a subpar product only to allow their reputation with DLC (which has taken a heavy hit in the last year or two) to be lauded....

That's brilliant! Create a substandard piece of software that splits the community in two and sends back a wave of scathing backlash to the developers... only to win back  your credibility and integrity the hearts of fans everywhere by giving away selling ten-dollar priced downloadable content goodness! 

You sure it didn't send multiple waves? Which jumped down from the sky?

[aftohsix]

For all the complaining in this thread I'm not seeing anything constructive. It's more of the same people, making the same arguments

Modifié par aftohsix, 29 juin 2011 - 01:43 .

[WidowMaker9394]

aftohsix wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I did not enjoy DA2. I am a social recluse who fear change and I am rooted in the old ways to such a point I am considered unthinkable as a potential customer for the edgy new Bioware.

I am an idiot.

You said it, not me.

Nah, the words were placed in my mouth/hands/keyboard.

[Gunderic]

alex90c wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Bmeszaros wrote...

 some of these qoutes could be construed that they intentionally put out a subpar product only to allow their reputation with DLC (which has taken a heavy hit in the last year or two) to be lauded....

That's brilliant! Create a substandard piece of software that splits the community in two and sends back a wave of scathing backlash to the developers... only to win back  your credibility and integrity the hearts of fans everywhere by giving away selling ten-dollar priced downloadable content goodness! 

You sure it didn't send multiple waves? Which jumped down from the sky?

Bunnyhopping! With, with MP5's.

I swear, the rooftops must be the largest places in Kirkwall!

Modifié par Gunderic, 29 juin 2011 - 01:43 .

[phoenixgoddess27]

aftohsix wrote...

For all the complaining in this thread I'm not seeing anything constructive. It's more of the same people, making the same arguments circle jerking each other.

That same goes to you. All you're doing is complaining about the posters and flame baiting them. Not being a hypocrite and actually posting something constructive would be the first step to not being what you're complaining about.


As for something on-topic, I'm sure it brought some new fans, but some people played DA2 before DAO and changed their mind about enjoying the game once they played it. DAO had its issues. I had a noble from the Landsmeet teleport INTO a couch after talking to him... a couch on the other side of the room. He stayed there through the rest of the game. A glitch like that made me laugh the entire day. DAO wasn't perfect, but it had enough to make up for what it lacked. DA2 had its good moments, but too many bad things to comment on. There are people who can get past these issues (I wasn't one), but I have to admit, the final fight was... pretty cool. I'm referring to the part where people you helped jumped in. That's what made the fight cool, to me.

I don't believe it all had to do with us not being able to handle change. The game was seriously just lacking. They could have used the development time and possibly even more tests runs(That would have helped them greatly.). Muzyka seems to believe anyone who bought it and played it enjoyed it. That's really not the case whatsoever. I pre-ordered, played it, didn't enjoy it. It was short and thirty hours of my playtime was me sleeping with the game on. I won't pre-order DA3 like I did with DA2, but if Bioware is really listening, I can put a small bit of hope in them instead of bashing them further into the ground.

[Aaleel]

I didn't like DA2 because it executed so many things badly.

The rarely used framed narrative, that was supposed to tell a personal story. But I wasn't allowed to play through a lot of the important moments of Hawke's life, they were just told to me. I would have liked to play through the first year, see how I made my name, why my family stayed in poverty instead of going back to our life in Lothering.

Family unit was never developed, game should have started in Lothering so I could ge tot know my family. Instead I got no background and the family came across as nothing but tools to try and make the game dark.

Combat was too fast and animations were over the top. Multiple wave of enemies almost every fight without fail got old really fast and made combat tedious and not fun. Then the enemies falling out the sky was ridiculous.

The reuse of environments and textures was ridiculous, especially in a game that supposed to span so much time.

But if this is interpreted as me wanting more of Origins, and not judging DA2 and its "innovations" on its own merits, then there's really nothing I can say.

[KnightofPhoenix]

mrcrusty wrote...
Lol. Story, weak?

Meh, if you say so. Not in the mood to argue the point. Besides, I'm sure KoP is lurking around here somewhere.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

lol not worth the effort.

KilrB wrote...

TW2, story and all, can easily hold it's own against DA:O.

It can quite easily beat it imo. I am a very big fan of DA:O I love it, but in terms of story (at least that of the overall plot), it doens't come close to TW2.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 juin 2011 - 01:53 .