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[redbaron76]

Well now that we know that cerberus is working for reapers, how do you feel about it. I personaly love the oportunity to kill cerberus agents once again. I just knew that they were bad.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Cerberus isn't working for the Reapers. The Illusive Man, being the magnificent bastard that he is, might pretend an intention to replace the Shadow Broker as most valuable minion, just as he in turn did Saren, but he's only playing the cards he has to make sure he comes out on top at the end.

[Repearized Miranda]

Traitors of the "traitor!" How ironic!!

And everybody has known that since ME1. Two aligned squadmates does a maligned organization make.

[redbaron76]

TIM and rest of cerberus are indoctrinated and they are traitors to humanity and the rest of galaxy, I would love to personaly put a bullet in TIM's head. Or is my anti cerberus retoric a bit to extreme.

[Saaziel]

Its a real bummer , they were my preferred type of villains, if you can call them that. The type you can understand and easily identify with .

Now it seems like they're the run-of-the-mill "Bad guys". But I won't judge until i play the game. I still believe the writers can make something interesting out of that.

Modifié par Saaziel, 29 juin 2011 - 03:11 .

[Bogsnot1]

I dont trust that robot dog.

[Repearized Miranda]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Cerberus isn't working for the Reapers. The Illusive Man, being the magnificent bastard that he is, might pretend an intention to replace the Shadow Broker as most valuable minion, just as he in turn did Saren, but he's only playing the cards he has to make sure he comes out on top at the end.

So, are they just after Shepard then? I know TIM is pissed, but I just found his "argument" rather suspicious. It sounded to me (not necessarly my Shepard) like he tried too hard to get me to keep it (the base) This led me to question why. The only reason that I could come up with was: that he already had what he needed, he just needed to convince me that he needed it (since my squadmates were arguing otherwise). IOW, he played me like he played Miranda.

I'm thinking Shepard knew something was up given her "Tou're ruthless!" comment! It was his adamancy that raised the red flag for me. (and Shep to if she really thought about it)

I could be all kinds of wrong, but that's what I got from my playthrough.

[redbaron76]

Intresting response i seem to be getting on this thread. Seems to me that there are various opinions on the cerberus treason. And as Saaziel mentioned I am sure that bioware will make something intresting out of this plot twist.

[Mohak]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I dont trust that robot dog.

That robot dog will be my XO.

On topic: as it's been said, I don't think Cerberus is working with the reapers. They are just attacking Shepard for some yet unknown reason. Can't wait to show TIM how much cooler red eyes are than blue ones.

Modifié par Mohak, 29 juin 2011 - 03:26 .

[redbaron76]

As we can all see as it has been stated by shepard in the E3 trailer, that cerberus is indoctrinated, so how can you say that they are not working for reapers. If they are indoctrinated they are reaper slaves there fore work for reapers.

[Spectre_907]

Cerebrus is not working with the Reapers nor are they indoctrinated. The premise was simplified by Shepard's comment that 'they're indoctrinated' in the demo according to Casey Hudson. Cerberus is working against you and the reason involves some plot twist.

[redbaron76]

Then how do you explain articles in magazines that state that they are working for reapers. Also case stated it so there fore it must be a fact. It seem s to me that cerberus lovers are in denial that they are traitors to the galaxy and humanity.

[Saaziel]

They may not be against Humanity.

It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that they'd sacrifice the rest of the Galaxy to ensure human survival. It's possible that TIM is mimicking Indoctrination to control his troop; It seems to me like the demo showed the Cerberus agents protecting the Reapers. Attacking Sheppard was incidental.

Again we won't know until we play the game.

[Spectre_907]

redbaron76 wrote...

Then how do you explain articles in magazines that state that they are working for reapers. Also case stated it so there fore it must be a fact. It seem s to me that cerberus lovers are in denial that they are traitors to the galaxy and humanity.

I am not aware of that. But clearly if Hudson says that it is not the case that Cerberus working with the Reapers is a spoiler and that it was a simplification of the premise, either they are wrong, there is a source conflict, or the source was misread.

Cerberus allying with the Reapers and killing Shepard because of that contradicts their motives in ME2. Not unless there was something they learned about Shepard that was detrimental to the war effort that made it necessary that he must be killed. It just doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 29 juin 2011 - 03:55 .

[sterling_archer]

I really think TIM is too good of a character for Bioware to just say "LOLOL Indoctrination" and have that be the end of it. I've never trusted TIM or Cerberus but I liked how they fit in a moral grey area considering the circumstances.

I hoping for a big plot-twist for TIM and Cerberus. TIM has been built up too much to suddenly become a Bond villian.

[Massadonious1]

Eh, he's always been a bit of an ego-maniac, though. If he's not indoctrinated, it wouldn't surprise me if he just thought of Shepard as a loose end, or a liability, depending on what you did with the Collector base.

Even in the middle of a galactic crisis, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't care.

[AresXX7]

Saaziel wrote...

Its a real bummer , they were my preferred type of villains, if you can call them that. The type you can understand and easily identify with .

Now it seems like they're the run-of-the-mill "Bad guys". But I won't judge until i play the game. I still believe the writers can make something interesting out of that.

Who knows, this could just be one of the "many red herrings" we've heard about.

I'm no fan of Cerberus, but even I have to admit this is stretching it thin.

[LeVaughnX]

Let me point out two things that may help provide some answers for you guys.

1.) If you read the books you'd know Kai Leng (sp?) may be after Shepard for the soul fact of capturing him/her instead of killing him/her.

2.) Number one can also be semi-varified by the fact that some Cerberus units are equiped with stun rods.


So my guess is that Cerberus wants to take Shepard alive - BUT if necessary kill him/her. The reason for this is simple; the Reapers. What about them you ask? Well think of it this way - TIM wants to keep human dominance high and alien dominance low. TIM gives Shepard to the Reapers or kills him/her and the Reapers reward TIM by providing the necessary station(s) and resources to help continue the work of the Reapers while giving TIM a HUMAN REAPER (thus why they haven't just nuked Earth yet) thus making Humanity more dominant than anyone except the Reapers themselves.

Meaning - TIM is going to pull a Saren but in his own way. He agrees to taking out the only Human whose proven capeable of destroying the Reapers; while he gets "Paid" (I use that term loosely) for his job. Then eventually he was betting that he could double-cross the Reapers with his own "Pet Reaper"; eventually becoming the only species left in the galaxy left with power/numbers etc.


Stupid concept but if you think about it; TIM wants Human Dominance more than anything..Hes already sacrificed colonies, morals, and Humans in general to get his way - why stop there? He wanted a collector base to make his own little reaper; and since the Reapers themselves saw that now they have leverage.

[Repearized Miranda]

Saaziel wrote...

They may not be against Humanity.

It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that they'd sacrifice the rest of the Galaxy to ensure human survival. It's possible that TIM is mimicking Indoctrination to control his troop; It seems to me like the demo showed the Cerberus agents protecting the Reapers. Attacking Sheppard was incidental.

Again we won't know until we play the game.

According to TIM though, they (including himself), aren't. Now, maybe TIM is screwing with Shepard again, but that wouldn't be anything new since he's done that in ME2. So, the "may" seems to be nullified. I keep going back to his argument. If anythng, he's (including Cerberus) for humanity, but he has his own agenda. Shepard saw it, so did Miranda in ME2.

I agree that we won't know until we play the game; however, why has  Cerberus been played up as the villian since the first game. Something isn't adding up. "{We better] watch our backs!"

[lovgreno]

Failberus was never good.

[implodinggoat]

I wanted to exterminate Cerberus in ME2 so I guess I'm pleased.

But at the same time it seems to make Shepard's exploits in ME2 even more trivial since siding with Cerberus has effectively become a dead end.

[XDMMX]

implodinggoat wrote...

I wanted to exterminate Cerberus in ME2 so I guess I'm pleased.

But at the same time it seems to make Shepard's exploits in ME2 even more trivial since siding with Cerberus has effectively become a dead end.

Yea my Renegade, pro Cerberus playthrough just became rather pointless, with the revelation that Cerberus is out to get Shepard.

I hope they don't pull the Cerberus is indoctrinated thing, you would think that the Illusive Man would be to smart for that considering his knowledge of the Reapers.

Or Maybe the gameplay they have been showcasing is from a Paragon, anti Cerberus point of view? And if you sided with Cerberus, instead you will have Alliance troops after you? Otherwise it would be a real kick in the balls to all the players who sided with Cerberus.

[implodinggoat]

Well I do think trusting Cerberus was a pretty stupid decision; but as you said XDMMX it seems like a bit of a cheat to offer up Renegade players a faction to ally with only to have said faction turn on them thus forcing them into the same situation Paragon players found themselves dealing with in ME2, namely working for a faction other than the one you want to align yourself with.

Honestly I liked the ME1 style anti-authoritarian Renegade Shep who wouldn't have let TIM pull his strings in ME2; but since ME2 set the standard that Renegade Shep is pro Cerberus it basically makes your actions in ME2 utterly pointless.