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[Malanek]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
My speculation is that ME3 will end with the Reapers beaten, but not all-destroyed: the war more or less ends with the Reapers hiding in the unexplored areas/back in Dark Space, and with the galaxy rebuilding but needing to be constantly on guard for their machinations even as old rivalries return.

That sounds pretty good. I wouldn't want too many so that they remain the main plot, but enough that they remain a significant threat in any future games.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If ME3 is just the prologue to a Mass Effect MMO I'm going to be really disheartened.

I'm 95% convinced that's what ME3 is going to end up as. Either that or as a prologue for all sorts of spin offs.

The track is set, the only question is where the train is going.

[Sheppard-Commander]

LeVaughnX wrote...

So my guess is that Cerberus wants to take Shepard alive - BUT if necessary kill him/her. The reason for this is simple; the Reapers. What about them you ask? Well think of it this way - TIM wants to keep human dominance high and alien dominance low. TIM gives Shepard to the Reapers or kills him/her and the Reapers reward TIM by providing the necessary station(s) and resources to help continue the work of the Reapers while giving TIM a HUMAN REAPER (thus why they haven't just nuked Earth yet) thus making Humanity more dominant than anyone except the Reapers themselves.

Meaning - TIM is going to pull a Saren but in his own way. He agrees to taking out the only Human whose proven capeable of destroying the Reapers; while he gets "Paid" (I use that term loosely) for his job. Then eventually he was betting that he could double-cross the Reapers with his own "Pet Reaper"; eventually becoming the only species left in the galaxy left with power/numbers etc.


Stupid concept but if you think about it; TIM wants Human Dominance more than anything..Hes already sacrificed colonies, morals, and Humans in general to get his way - why stop there? He wanted a collector base to make his own little reaper; and since the Reapers themselves saw that now they have leverage.

Uh...why would the Reapers "nuke" Earth in any case? From what we can gather, Reapers use organic genetic material to reproduce and humans, as has been shown, are a viable candidate to use for Reaper reproduction. So..why then in any case would they obliterate all those tasty hoomans ripe for ascension? Doesnt make sense.

It's also never stated that he wanted the Collector Base to create his own Reaper. It's stated that he wants to aquire the knowledge and "framework" of the technology used to create Reapers, which doesnt necessarily mean he would be stupid enough to think he could control one as his "pet". Alot can come from studying and reverse engineering Reaper (or in this case, Collector...which may not carry the imminent threat of indoctrination) technology, such as the Thanix Cannon, which enabled the SR2 to take out the Collector Cruiser and EDI, who ultimately saved the SR2.

TIM of all people knows exactly what the Reapers are and what they want, I definitely think that whatever the case is with Cerberus in ME3 TIM is no doubt trying to stay a few steps ahead of the Reapers...but your assumptions just arent based in facts established in the games.

Modifié par Sheppard-Commander, 30 juin 2011 - 12:41 .

[Dean_the_Young]

@Saphara

To an extent, with variations per MMO and per definition of progress. (I think Warhammer 40K has adopted the outcomes of various major campaigns/tournaments into an evolving narrative, for example.)

It also intends on the scope and planned duration of the MMO in progress. The Matrix MMO had a story campaign that had competitive events between the factions that helped shape the evolving story. It didn't last long, but it does provide a template for how you can have user (and community) shaped events be tied into with a planned over-arching progressing plot.


So, as a hypothetical, a Mass Effect MMO could have a plotline in which a cache (or a few of them) of Reaper technology is rumored to be hidden by the Shadow Broker. Various factions (Alliance/Cerberus/C-SEC/Turians/Salarian STG/etc.) are given missions to try and find it. At the end of the, say, two week period, a winner is announced: all members of the winning faction get a limited-exclusive bonus, and then the story evolves into the next phase: after faction X succeded, the Shadow Broker has launched retaliation, etc.


So, for example:

Broker's Cache of Reaper Tech is hidden from the galaxy. 2 weeks, every faction looks to confiscate it.

At the end, C-SEC won the most points (weighted by number of players, successes, whatever). C-SEC secures a large cache, including a new proprietary omnitool: all C-SEC players get a tech bonus of 15%.

When C-SEC secured the cache, they learned that it was just the tip of the iceberg: however, their attempts to find more are being countered by the Shadow Broker. While C-SEC gets an early start on a new objective, the Shadow Broker is offering all factions an opportunity to find out what C-SEC knows in a number of anti-C-SEC missions.


Etc. etc.


Progress is what you make it to be.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 30 juin 2011 - 12:45 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Malanek999 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
My speculation is that ME3 will end with the Reapers beaten, but not all-destroyed: the war more or less ends with the Reapers hiding in the unexplored areas/back in Dark Space, and with the galaxy rebuilding but needing to be constantly on guard for their machinations even as old rivalries return.

That sounds pretty good. I wouldn't want too many so that they remain the main plot, but enough that they remain a significant threat in any future games.

Indeed. And depending on how the Reapers go down in defeat, you could even see a fracturing: with no unified strategy, different Reapers take different approaches, and possibly have different intents.

So some Reapers go around, attacking colonies and indoctrinating armies and waging a likely futile but constant war to drain, divert, and just possibly destroy organic expansion.

Some Reapers conspire to make new technologies, or arrange events to their satisfaction. Sparking a war between the Terminus and Council, for example, in order to weaken and capitalize on the fighting.

And a few might even be... benign. Or claim to be. A willing Reaper faction: players who are a part of this faction get the best toys, the best tech... and all in exchange for seeming harmless tasks. (Slight risk of indoctrination penalties.)

[SandTrout]

I'm with Dean. We also cannot discount the fact that BioWare is producing a story-based MMO right now. A lot will depend on how SW:TOR turns out and what lessons BW learns from it.

Also, there are other MMOs that provide a sense of progress through expanding the content on a semi-regular basis. City of Heroes/Villains continuously added new story arcs, or edited the previous ones to advance the story, while still allowing new players to experience older content as they caught up with veteran players.

There are a lot of models that a ME MMO could use to provide immersion while still advancing the story of the franchise.

[OmegaXI]

maybe the cerbeerus agents were indoctinated from being exposed to the reapers in the early rounds of fighting them. I imagine while the reapers were tearing through batarian space cerberus would be there to fight them and slow them down. But who knows

Modifié par OmegaXI, 30 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[Darth Death]

Warkupo wrote...

Nobody said TIM was indoctrinated. Shepard just said that Cerberus is indoctrinated.

TIM can be very 'charismatic'.

TIM is the head of Cerberus & most likely gave the order to kill Shepard, so yes he is.

[redbaron76]

Well if you guys read the commic book about tim it kind of implies that he was indoctrinated same tame as Saren and Saren's brother.

[Reciever80]

I doubt Bioware would just make something like this so simple. There has to be some complexity to this, besides "oh, forgot to tell you--Cerberus got indoctrinated."

I get the feeling there's more to this than meets the eye.

[bdm13]

Nobody has said that TIM is indoctrinated by the way, just might want to keep that in mind while speculating

[ladyvader]

redbaron76 wrote...

Well now that we know that cerberus is working for reapers, how do you feel about it. I personaly love the oportunity to kill cerberus agents once again. I just knew that they were bad.

I think it is great.  Maybe Shepard can put that group out of business once and for all.  I want TIM head on a pike.  I'm even willing to let Jack and Liara use their biotics to play catch with him before Shepard put a bullet right between those goofy eyes of his.  

[Daddy Bags]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I dont trust that robot dog.

Oh man..this made me laugh.

[Repearized Miranda]

bdm13 wrote...

Nobody has said that TIM is indoctrinated by the way, just might want to keep that in mind while speculating

I thought that was "said" given how they kept an eye on his eyes. Maybe not that (because that speak to his "near huskification"), but I do think the idea of him being indoctrinated has been floating speculation around here.

IAH, I could be akow

[Darth Death]

bdm13 wrote...

Nobody has said that TIM is indoctrinated by the way, just might want to keep that in mind while speculating

No one has to say it, it's called "connecting the dots". Cerberus would not act if their leader hadn't given the command. Cerberus is indoctrinated meaning their leader, TIM is too. It wouldn't make sense if Cerberus troops are indoctrinated but not TIM since he is the one that wants Shepard dead.  

[Asari_Party]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arcian wrote...

If anything, it's chemo to the cancer that is Cerberusfans. You guys really missed the point with how Cerberus and TIM was portrayed in ME2.

A morally-gray organization that's methods are questionable but has noble goals, where the game presents if you can agree or disagree with such methods?

Cerberus' goals are everything but noble.

[Dean_the_Young]

Survival and ambition aren't noble?

That's new.

[Seboist]

If they do a Mass Effect MMO it should have involve an alternate reality that has nothing to do with any of the player outcomes in ME3.

[SandTrout]

Darth Death wrote...

bdm13 wrote...

Nobody has said that TIM is indoctrinated by the way, just might want to keep that in mind while speculating

No one has to say it, it's called "connecting the dots". Cerberus would not act if their leader hadn't given the command. Cerberus is indoctrinated meaning their leader, TIM is too. It wouldn't make sense if Cerberus troops are indoctrinated but not TIM since he is the one that wants Shepard dead.

We do not know that TIM wants Shepard dead. nor has it really been implied by out interactions with him. Indoctrination can work on individuals without needing to affect their entire chain of command. That kind of reasoning would state that the Council is indoctrinated b/c a Specter is working for the Reapers.

Well if you guys read the commic book about tim it kind of implies that he was indoctrinated same tame as Saren and Saren's brother.

Saren wasn't indoctrinated during the comics. He was indoctrinated by Sovereign in the time between Revelation and ME1.

[redbaron76]

Well seems that I got what I wanted wide ranvge of opinions on this topic. I sincerely hope that bioware has made full game description of this plot twist. I do hope that all the battles of ME3 will be spectacular. Also I hope that we will have a final battle between shepard and tim possesed by harbinger.

[Janus198]

What about Hackett as traitor?

[DrNavi]

currently I don't think it makes a lot of sense but i'll wait and see

also while my paragon doesn't like them my renegade shep supports Cerberus, they are useful to her

[BatmanPWNS]

TIM is too cool to be killed IMO.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I'm very dissapointed..Both with ME2 and with the direction of ME3.