Dean_the_Young wrote...
Survival and ambition aren't noble?
That's new.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Why you surprised?
There's plenty of people who in their effort tpo be morally superior and PC, start hating their own race.
Clearly, humans dominating the galaxy is the worst thing that can ever happen....EVER.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Survival and ambition aren't noble?
That's new.
Why you surprised?
There's plenty of people who in their effort tpo be morally superior and PC, start hating their own race.
Clearly, humans dominating the galaxy is the worst thing that can ever happen....EVER.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Because Mass Effect would be so incredibly BORING if it was just populated by humans.
Modifié par bobdooly, 07 août 2011 - 10:08 .
Someone With Mass wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Why you surprised?
There's plenty of people who in their effort tpo be morally superior and PC, start hating their own race.
Clearly, humans dominating the galaxy is the worst thing that can ever happen....EVER.
At the cost of the other races' prosperity? Yes it is.
Because Mass Effect would be so incredibly BORING if it was just populated by humans.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Cry me a river. As someone else said - there's always a top dog.
Why aren't you crying about the Asari dominance at the cost of human prosperity?
Hypocrite....
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sez you.
You don't need aliens to make sci-fi interesting. You need interesting characters and events.
Case in point: Firefly.
And what does that have to do with the topic or question rasied anyway?
since when does human dominance = no aliens?????
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I knew there was something off with the ribs at that bbq TIM hosted...darkness reborn wrote...
BIG SHOCK!!!:
TIM & Cerberus eats babies!!!
Sorry, could not help myself.
SandTrout wrote...
@Someone With Mass,
You have not addressed the point that by complaining about human dominance because it would undermine other species prosperity, but ignoring that the current council has done exactly that you are in fact taking a hypocritical stance.
Why is human dominance so much worse than the standing Asari dominance, which is achieved by economic control of vital eezo resources?
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Someone With Mass wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Cry me a river. As someone else said - there's always a top dog.
Why aren't you crying about the Asari dominance at the cost of human prosperity?
Hypocrite....
We're dependent on the asari...how, exactly? How is that achieved?
Don't think that the humans are the only ones that are halted/pushed down in the fields of technological advancements either.
Frankly, I don't think humanity has earned a goddamn thing from the Citadel community so far. They just went in there and took whatever they wanted, because they thought it was their rightful place or some BS like that.
bobdooly wrote...
Yeah, because saving the galaxy from a huge ass 5km unstoppable dreadnought is not doing a THING for the Council races.
In fact, the only thing the Asari have done to "earn" their place is evolve first. The Salarians tagged along for the ride. The Turians werwe the best military around. What did the humans do? They kicked the Turians ass in the FCW considering their size (fewer deaths than turians) and accomplished in a century what took other races a millenia. Also, saved the Citadel.
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Which is why I have one play through where I killed Jacob and Miranda. The only thing that saved me from doing in the rest of the crew was I wanted Ken and Gabby in the next game. Other than that, the crew would have been grey goo.Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...
Ceberus this,Cerberus that.i hated every moment in ME2,when it came to being onboard the SR2,beginning of the game and end of the game and dealing with curtain characters also being reminded of working with cerberus.i cant wait to go back and start killing them again.
Someone With Mass wrote...
SandTrout wrote...
@Someone With Mass,
You have not addressed the point that by complaining about human dominance because it would undermine other species prosperity, but ignoring that the current council has done exactly that you are in fact taking a hypocritical stance.
Why is human dominance so much worse than the standing Asari dominance, which is achieved by economic control of vital eezo resources?
Honestly?
Because I'm so sick and tired of this "humans are so special" bull**** that's going on in Mass Effect.
They haven't shown that they earned a single thing they've recieved since they discovered mass effect technology and showed up.
The turians are providing the military and peacekeeping, the asari are providing the dimplomacy and the salarians are providing the intelligence and scientific researches in a symbiotic alliance between the three races.
Then humanity shows up and claims for absolutely no good reason that they deserve to be in control of everything, just because they happen to have a large fleet, and that apparently makes them think they can also run everything better than everyone else. It's this kind of arrogance that just disgusts me.
If anything, the humans should've been bombed to hell by the turians. Then it'd been interesting to see them fight for something they can rightfully call their own.
In their current state, the humans are nothing but spoiled brats.
Someone With Mass wrote...
bobdooly wrote...
Yeah, because saving the galaxy from a huge ass 5km unstoppable dreadnought is not doing a THING for the Council races.
In fact, the only thing the Asari have done to "earn" their place is evolve first. The Salarians tagged along for the ride. The Turians werwe the best military around. What did the humans do? They kicked the Turians ass in the FCW considering their size (fewer deaths than turians) and accomplished in a century what took other races a millenia. Also, saved the Citadel.
The turians were about to start a even larger war with the humans before the Council intervened.
Also. One battle? Big whoop. Yeah, that made them so good at everything, like maintaining the security on the Citadel by filling C-Sec's ranks with their own. Oh, wait. They didn't. They actually made it worse. Crime rates increased, bribery became more common and all they did was giving everyone on the station more restrictions.
Until I am shown that humanity can run exactly everything that the alien Council races ran, but better (which I really doubt, because humanity can barely take care of itself, so I just find the idea of humanity being able control billions, if not trillions of lives in a secure and stable manner just laughable), I'm not going to accept anything.
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ladyvader wrote...
Which is why I have one play through where I killed Jacob and Miranda. The only thing that saved me from doing in the rest of the crew was I wanted Ken and Gabby in the next game. Other than that, the crew would have been grey goo.Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...
Ceberus this,Cerberus that.i hated every moment in ME2,when it came to being onboard the SR2,beginning of the game and end of the game and dealing with curtain characters also being reminded of working with cerberus.i cant wait to go back and start killing them again.
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Cerberus isn't working for the Reapers. The Illusive Man, being the magnificent bastard that he is, might pretend an intention to replace the Shadow Broker as most valuable minion, just as he in turn did Saren, but he's only playing the cards he has to make sure he comes out on top at the end.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 08 août 2011 - 02:15 .
Who's saying that humans are special? There is a whole thread on this where I systematicly debunked this falacy.Someone With Mass wrote...
Honestly?
Because I'm so sick and tired of this "humans are so special" bull**** that's going on in Mass Effect.
Humanity was able to match a standing power at First Contact, settled the Attican Traverse and provided the muscle for the Council to beat down the Batarians, and provided critical support in the BotCThey haven't shown that they earned a single thing they've recieved since they discovered mass effect technology and showed up.
The Asari and Salarians gained their place purely by virture of getting there first. The Turians did earn their place by beating down the Krogan because the Asari and Salarians were too incompetent to handle the issue themselves.The turians are providing the military and peacekeeping, the asari are providing the dimplomacy and the salarians are providing the intelligence and scientific researches in a symbiotic alliance between the three races.
We don't claim to deserve anything except protection of our colonies from invasion, as promised by associate member status on the Citadel. Even then, who determines what we deserve? The Council that decided that the Quarians deserved to be nearly wiped out by the Geth? The Council that decided that the Krogan Rebellions were only worth dealing with when an Asari colony was hit? The Turians who's primary means of first contact is war and occupation? We will certainly grab as much power as we can, though, because if we don't, then someone else will. Your naive idealism has never worked in history, and will only spell doom for our species in this context.Then humanity shows up and claims for absolutely no good reason that they deserve to be in control of everything, just because they happen to have a large fleet, and that apparently makes them think they can also run everything better than everyone else. It's this kind of arrogance that just disgusts me.
You really do hate humans, don't you? Who determines what we can 'rightfully call' our own? It is ours by right if we can take and hold it. No one, and I mean no one in the ME universe has simply handed Humanity anything. The most that the Council has done for us was to stop the Turians from wasting a bunch of their forces against us, after we proved that we could do significant damage, and not getting involved with our conflict with the Batarians.If anything, the humans should've been bombed to hell by the Turians. Then it'd been interesting to see them fight for something they can rightfully call their own.
Give me a break. The Council are the spoiled ones who have not had a significant threat to their dominance since the Krogan Rebellions, which ended in what most would consider a war-crime. Suddenly an underdog is capable of asserting themselves and you call them 'spoiled' for actually taking the initiative to work and struggle for a better position.In their current state, the humans are nothing but spoiled brats.
Modifié par SandTrout, 08 août 2011 - 10:52 .
Someone With Mass wrote...
SandTrout wrote...
@Someone With Mass,
You have not addressed the point that by complaining about human dominance because it would undermine other species prosperity, but ignoring that the current council has done exactly that you are in fact taking a hypocritical stance.
Why is human dominance so much worse than the standing Asari dominance, which is achieved by economic control of vital eezo resources?
Honestly?
Because I'm so sick and tired of this "humans are so special" bull**** that's going on in Mass Effect.
They haven't shown that they earned a single thing they've recieved since they discovered mass effect technology and showed up.
The turians are providing the military and peacekeeping, the asari are providing the dimplomacy and the salarians are providing the intelligence and scientific researches in a symbiotic alliance between the three races.
Then humanity shows up and claims for absolutely no good reason that they deserve to be in control of everything, just because they happen to have a large fleet, and that apparently makes them think they can also run everything better than everyone else. It's this kind of arrogance that just disgusts me.
If anything, the humans should've been bombed to hell by the turians. Then it'd been interesting to see them fight for something they can rightfully call their own.
In their current state, the humans are nothing but spoiled brats.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Cry me a river. As someone else said - there's always a top dog.
Why aren't you crying about the Asari dominance at the cost of human prosperity?
Hypocrite....
We're dependent on the asari...how, exactly? How is that achieved?
Don't think that the humans are the only ones that are halted/pushed down in the fields of technological advancements either.
Frankly, I don't think humanity has earned a goddamn thing from the Citadel community so far. They just went in there and took whatever they wanted, because they thought it was their rightful place or some BS like that.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sez you.
You don't need aliens to make sci-fi interesting. You need interesting characters and events.
Case in point: Firefly.
And what does that have to do with the topic or question rasied anyway?
since when does human dominance = no aliens?????
Too bad that Mass Effect can't even come close to Firefly, neither in setting or interesting human characters.
The alien community is also pretty much the main focus point in Mass Effect, so removing that would do nothing else but harm the series.
Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 08 août 2011 - 11:55 .
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