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[Tilarta]

Brand New wrote...
What was their homeworld? Is it even in this Galaxy?

I'm assuming so.
It appears the practical limit of a mass relay network does not extend outside a galaxy, so the Prothean homeworld has to be somewhere.
Although it was probably destroyed by the Reapers, so there's probably not a lot left to see even if it could be located.

Brand New wrote...
Why couldn't the Reapers use them for a new Reaper?

My assumption is that they did do this, Harbinger is the Prothean Reaper.
He doesn't look like the others and being the "newest" one, he took control of the operation when Sovereign was lost.

Brand New wrote...
What did they acually look like?

Tall, thin humanoids with tentacles instead of fingers and a fringe of tentacles around their mouth.
They had enlarged heads, possibly hinting at greater cranial capacity then other species (big brains for the layperson!).
Also, the Prothean log in Mass Effect 2 shows a Collector recoiling from a Reaper orbital blast.
Given that the Collectors have no sense of fear (and the Reapers would have no reason to shoot at their slaves), I'm assuming that the " Prothean war armor" is what we now know as Collector armor.
The Collector armor was probably built to compensate for their physical weakness, as it enhances muscle strength, speed, health and regeneration.

Brand New wrote...
Does bioware plan on telling us more about them or was their depth only as far as what happened to them in the collector sense.
Was the collector base really a collector consturct or perhaps a redesigned Prothean ship, station, etc.
What did they know about us and the hannar & other species they studied?

I'm hoping we do find out more about them.
If you played the Firewalker DLC, the Prothean relic you recover sent out an "unknown data burst which could not be traced to a destination".
My theory is that is either a signal to a surviving colony of Protheans or another hidden research facility which the Reapers did not know about (like Ilos).
Either way, it could be a valuable source of information about Protheans.
And there are rumors that you will get a Prothean squadmate for ME3, although it's unconfirmed.

I'm assuming that the Collector base has always been a Reaper construct, that it's been used time and time again at the end of each "culling" to make the new Reaper.
But when the Collectors were created, the Reapers left the running of the facility to them and stopped supervising it personally.

As to what the Protheans know about our species, probably not very much.
They studied us at a relatively early stage in our development, so this wouldn't have given them much information that would be useful except to historians and archaeologists.
If the Protheans had discovered an advanced race besides themselves, the Reapers would have destroyed them as well, given the access they had to Prothean records and data.

[Dean_the_Young]

Brand New wrote...

I feel as thought after the collectors , the Protheans are completley empty on in game importance.

I want to know more about them. Here is a list over time I have complied.

What was their homeworld? Is it even in this Galaxy?

Don't know to the first, yes to the second.

Why couldn't the Reapers use them for a new Reaper?

Genetically incompatible. It happens quite frequently (see Harbinger's views on other species). Possible implication that a quad-strand genetic structure was to blame, which itself is implied as remarkably unusual.

What did they acually look like?

As of ME2, Collectors.

Does bioware plan on telling us more about them or was their depth only as far as what happened to them in the collector sense.

Their depth was the climax of ME1 and giving the galaxy a chance to fight on.

Was the collector base really a collector consturct or perhaps a redesigned Prothean ship, station, etc.

Reaper technology was required to make a station in the galactic core. So says EDI and team mates and Shepard.

What did they know about us and the hannar & other species they studied?

That they existed.

Were they really the only spacefaring species(sounds hard to beleive)

Very possible. The Asari's inclination towards cooperation was a welcome coincidence. That the Salarians arrived at the Citadel so soon afterwards was also remarkable luck.

There might have been minor species in the Prothean Empire, but it appears Protheans were dominant.

Did they war? Were they a strickly scientitst race due to their physcial strucutre of tentcals or what we seem to know what they might look like?

The were warlike enough to unify and establish and maintain a vast empire.

Do you guys feel like the Protheans have no other say in this series & now that we know what happened to them and why they are no longer any value to us?

That's pretty much the status of everyone who doesn't remain integral to a plot.

I am really hoping they are included in this series.

Why? They're dead, and they've already fulfilled their ambition of giving us a fighting chance.

[Leoism]

Just for a quick reminder for those who don't know what Prothean's looked like - there was statues of them on Ilos and many of them go revisit Ilos and check em out

[Brand New]

Leoism wrote...

Just for a quick reminder for those who don't know what Prothean's looked like - there was statues of them on Ilos and many of them go revisit Ilos and check em out

Sure, but they were huskified looking, probably removing their acual look and color to a very genetic robotic.

We know so little about them and I get the hint we won't gather much more about them. I feel as if they have embedded secrets throught the galaxy for us and themselves, but we have not found them or perhaps they are dormant.

[Kreid]

Brand New wrote...
Sure, but they were huskified looking, probably removing their acual look and color to a very genetic robotic. 

We know so little about them and I get the hint we won't gather much more about them. I feel as if they have embedded secrets throught the galaxy for us and themselves, but we have not found them or perhaps they are dormant

The statues weren't huskified only the ME2 codex image was, and even so you can pretty much get a good idea of their physical structure.

Everybody seems to forget that at the end of LotSB Liara tells you that the broker was investigating the Protheans and that maybe they left a few more "surprises" around the galaxy in order to presumably fight the Reapers. 

[LOLandStuff]

Brand New wrote...

I feel as thought after the collectors , the Protheans are completley empty on in game importance.

I want to know more about them. Here is a list over time I have complied.

What was their homeworld? Is it even in this Galaxy?
Why couldn't the Reapers use them for a new Reaper?
What did they acually look like?
Does bioware plan on telling us more about them or was their depth only as far as what happened to them in the collector sense.
Was the collector base really a collector consturct or perhaps a redesigned Prothean ship, station, etc.
What did they know about us and the hannar & other species they studied?
Were they really the only spacefaring species(sounds hard to beleive)
Did they war? Were they a strickly scientitst race due to their physcial strucutre of tentcals or what we seem to know what they might look like?


Do you guys feel like the Protheans have no other say in this series & now that we know what happened to them and why they are no longer any value to us?


I am really hoping they are included in this series.

I think you should replay both games and
pay attention to what people say about the Protheans.



1. Protheans are from this Galaxy but they're the latest race to be harvested
and turned into Collectors.

2. Listen to what EDI says. They couldn't use them because of their genetic material
which wasn't fit to make a Reaper of. So they were turned into slaves.

3. There are glimpses of them in your
visions and statues on Ilos.

4. Ilos and Vigil. They tried their best to
warn us about the Reapers. You can figure out some depth from there, that some
just didn’t die in vain and others made Collectors.

5. My guess is that it’s a construct built
to fit their purpose, that of farming.

6. Curiosity? Maybe we'll get a clearer answer in ME3.


7. It was called the Prothean Empire. There
must have been other races but theirs was the most dominant.

8. I doubt they were hippies or just a
bunch of geeks. Use your imagination. Just because you found a bunker full of
scientists you can’t label an entire civilisation.

The Protheans did a great load of things to be forgotten this easily. The warning, altering the keepers, the conduit and the data to take control of the Citadel.
If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have had an army of pissed off Reapers on my back.

It just seems like you skipped all the dialogues because you have your answers in the game.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 29 juin 2011 - 12:46 .

[Brand New]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Brand New wrote...

I feel as thought after the collectors , the Protheans are completley empty on in game importance.

I want to know more about them. Here is a list over time I have complied.

What was their homeworld? Is it even in this Galaxy?
Why couldn't the Reapers use them for a new Reaper?
What did they acually look like?
Does bioware plan on telling us more about them or was their depth only as far as what happened to them in the collector sense.
Was the collector base really a collector consturct or perhaps a redesigned Prothean ship, station, etc.
What did they know about us and the hannar & other species they studied?
Were they really the only spacefaring species(s../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.pngounds hard to beleive)
Did they war? Were they a strickly scientitst race due to their physcial strucutre of tentcals or what we seem to know what they might look like?


Do you guys feel like the Protheans have no other say in this series & now that we know what happened to them and why they are no longer any value to us?


I am really hoping they are included in this series.

I think you should replay both games and
pay attention to what people say about the Protheans.



1. Protheans are from this Galaxy but they're the latest race to be harvested
and turned into Collectors.

2. Listen to what EDI says. They couldn't use them because of their genetic material
which wasn't fit to make a Reaper of. So they were turned into slaves.

3. There are glimpses of them in your
visions and statues on Ilos.

4. Ilos and Vigil. They tried their best to
warn us about the Reapers. You can figure out some depth from there, that some
just didn’t die in vain and others made Collectors.

5. My guess is that it’s a construct built
to fit their purpose, that of farming.

6. Curiosity? Maybe we'll get a clearer answer in ME3.


7. It was called the Prothean Empire. There
must have been other races but theirs was the most dominant.

8. I doubt they were hippies or just a
bunch of geeks. Use your imagination. Just because you found a bunker full of
scientists you can’t label an entire civilisation.

The Protheans did a great load of things to be forgotten this easily. The warning, altering the keepers, the conduit and the data to take control of the Citadel.
If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have had an army of pissed off Reapers on my back.

It just seems like you skipped all the dialogues because you have your answers in the game.

I know all those things and I've gone back and forth listneing to what vigil says 10 times over, recovering the artifacts. Those artifacts & such have such little depth though. We hear a smidge about them here and there, but we know so so little about them.

I assume thet aren't a warring species becuase of their above and beyond reasearch commpared to the current cycle species. They seemed much more interested in everyone else to be bothered with war.  I am aware there was a Prothean Empire, but that is all we know about them really. The images of them are unclear and deformed.

Modifié par Brand New, 29 juin 2011 - 12:57 .

[Eurhetemec]

marshalleck wrote...

Reproduction rate has nothing to do with it. Refer to high school biology. 

I'm pretty sure that population genetics is not taught very well in most US high school biology classes. They might passingly explain that there's a minimum stable population, depending on the genetic makeup and diversity of the individuals involved, but they're not likely to explain the actual mechanisms.

Still, it's right that reproduction rate is not the issue.

That said, there are a lot of unknowns. Protheans have bizarre quad-strand "DNA" and likely have other significant differences in how they reproduce, so it's not unreasonable to wonder if even a few individuals from that race could perhaps repopulate it, especially with Prothean technology. Then again, for all we know they could have had a holy writ against in-breeding to the point where they'd rather die out than risk it. Whether any have survived, and how many, is up to BioWare. That said, if it's more than a few, and they didn't take insanely extreme measures to survive, the Reapers will look rather incompetent. The whole Reaper plan utterly relies on them wiping out species utterly, which is probably why it takes them hundreds of years to complete it.

[whywhywhywhy]

It's sad really the reason they are gone is because the ai didn't wake them up he just turned off the sleeper pods instead. Makes little sense plot wise too.

[Brand New]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

It's sad really the reason they are gone is because the ai didn't wake them up he just turned off the sleeper pods instead. Makes little sense plot wise too.

They were turned off to avoid detection and conserve supplies. Illos couldn't support all of that life on its own in the midths of hiding from repears. They wanted to hide for protection.

[whywhywhywhy]

So people contained in powered sleeper pods couldn't be detected yet releasing them would increase detection ? Why wasn't a repair team dispatched to repair/build additional power supplies ? They could go back to sleep right after.

[Brand New]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

So people contained in powered sleeper pods couldn't be detected yet releasing them would increase detection ? Why wasn't a repair team dispatched to repair/build additional power supplies ? They could go back to sleep right after.

Like I said, rescources were probably not readily avalaible.

[whywhywhywhy]

That was never indicated. 

Somehow they got supplies to build a countless number of sleeper pod, the conduit and everything else into the illos but they never thought to include a contengency plan and or diaster readiness.  Emergency supplies for repairs, food and etc all would have been needed was the plan really to go to sleep and "figure it all out when we wake up." 

No reason exists for them to have not been released instead of killed, they knew the reapers had no knowledge of them and should have had a system in place that provided maintanence.  If I'm not mistaken wasn't the team who built the conduit awakened AFTER everyone else died ?  They had the means to build a mass relay to the citadel but not power for vigil's systems....?

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 29 juin 2011 - 02:13 .

[HTTP 404]

the Prothean dlc in Me3....

[jtsherrard]

Theoretically, since Shepard had so much prothean knowledge, it would seem like a wasted resource to ignore in ME3. Plus Liara's comment mentioned earlier in the thread would suggest a possible way to fight the reapers. Perhaps a weapon system that the Prothean's couldn't initialize in time but Shepard could (how would it have survived for this long or still work?), Perhaps its just that now that we see that the Prothean's were just another race or sentient beings that for all the technological advancements and power they had amassed, they still fell to the reapers. They might just be there to bring a sense of futility so we are sitting at our screens/TVs thinking "How the #$&% are we going to win?"

Modifié par jtsherrard, 29 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[Gabey5]

Brand New wrote...

What was their homeworld? Is it even in this Galaxy?
homeworld unknown, of course it is in this galaxy they followed the mass relays like everypone else
Why couldn't the Reapers use them for a new Reaper?
who says the didn't?
What did they acually look like?
see flashbacks and visions in me1 for general outlook but they were erased by the reapers.. there is no record of much about them
Does bioware plan on telling us more about them or was their depth only as far as what happened to them in the collector sense.
they were just another civilazation in the cycle of destuction
Was the collector base really a collector consturct or perhaps a redesigned Prothean ship, station, etc.
it was repaer tech, they were just workers
What did they know about us and the hannar & other species they studied?
that we were an emerging species
Were they really the only spacefaring species(sounds hard to beleive)
durr wedo not know most of the stuff from that era were erased by the reapers
Did they war? Were they a strickly scientitst race due to their physcial strucutre of tentcals or what we seem to know what they might look like?
did you play me1? they lost. again there records were erased so we have no idea what they look like and will never

the protheans are over

Modifié par Gabey5, 29 juin 2011 - 02:17 .

[CaribbeanCLANK]

I would love to see what the Protheans actually look like.

[Eurhetemec]

CaribbeanCLANK wrote...

I would love to see what the Protheans actually look like.

Yeah. It's pretty bizarre that in ME2 the stocky, four-eyed, insectoid Collectors supposedly "are" the Protheans, yet the Protheans consistently depict themselves are two-eyed beings with a trunk, tentacle or snout (some kind of face-tube, anyway), a long neck, and long, slender limbs with possibly jointless fingers. They literally don't have any shared traits at all.

I'll be disappointed if they forget the ME1 depictions of Protheans and just ret-con them as always having been insectoid.

[littlezack]

Eurhetemec wrote...

CaribbeanCLANK wrote...

I would love to see what the Protheans actually look like.

Yeah. It's pretty bizarre that in ME2 the stocky, four-eyed, insectoid Collectors supposedly "are" the Protheans, yet the Protheans consistently depict themselves are two-eyed beings with a trunk, tentacle or snout (some kind of face-tube, anyway), a long neck, and long, slender limbs with possibly jointless fingers. They literally don't have any shared traits at all.

I'll be disappointed if they forget the ME1 depictions of Protheans and just ret-con them as always having been insectoid.

After 50,000 or so years of the Reapers screwing with their genetic makeup in Who-Knows-What ways, they could look like anything. That was the point, the Reapers took the Protheans and modified them to such an extent that they didn't even resemble Protheans anymore. Shepard, who actually should have a good idea what a Prothean looks like from his experiences, didn't even recognize them.

And I don't really care about the Protheans. They were important in ME1, but really, they're just one race in the countless line of races that the Reapers have screwed over. Giving them too much importance ignores the fact that, ultimately, the Reapers did destroy their civilization just like all the others. ME3 is about defeating the Reapers, which the Protheans weren't very good at.

Modifié par littlezack, 29 juin 2011 - 05:28 .

[Han Shot First]

What did they acually look like

We know the answer to this question.

They resembled the tentacle faced beings Shepard sees in the beacon visions and that we see represented on the statues of Ilos.

Some gamers become confused because we are told the Collectors were created from genetically and cybernetically altered Protheans, and because Shepard also sees an image of a Collector in one of his visions. This has led some players to assume that the Protheans also looked like the Collectors, but this is incorrect. The vision that shows a Collector contains flashes of the extermination of the Protheans, including the familiar tentacle faced beings in agony as they are slaughtered. The vision then ends with an image of the Collector. That vision in addition to showing flashes of the genocide of the Protheans, shows the transformation of some of the surviving indoctrinated Protheans into the Collectors.

The Reapers took some of the indoctrinated Protheans and altered their DNA to the point that they were no longer Prothean. They probably spliced the Prothean DNA with other species that were exterminated, to get the traits they wanted in their thralls, in addition to the cybernetic 'enhancements' they made to the Collectors.

[Dean_the_Young]

ME2 applied a retcon on the Prothean vision. They no longer look like meling tentacle-handed things... they look Collectors.

Whole new clearer Beacon and everything.

[littlezack]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ME2 applied a retcon on the Prothean vision. They no longer look like meling tentacle-handed things... they look Collectors.

Whole new clearer Beacon and everything.

It's not a retcon so much as it's an addition. The Prothean's are still portrayed to look like they did in the first game, it just adds on how they look post Collector transformation.

[Han Shot First]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ME2 applied a retcon on the Prothean vision. They no longer look like meling tentacle-handed things... they look Collectors.

Whole new clearer Beacon and everything.

Not true.

That vision contains both the tentacle faced beings and the Collector. It plays out so fast it is easy to miss, but the very first image Shep sees in the N7 vision is one of the tentacle faced beings in agony.



Fast forward to 5:45 to see the vision. At 5:52 there will be the familiar image of the tentacle-faced Prothean.

[Beerfish]

The big question is what do the Hanar do now that their Enkindlers are exposed as just being another garden variety trace that gets wiped out by the Reapers?

[Han Shot First]

Beerfish wrote...

The big question is what do the Hanar do now that their Enkindlers are exposed as just being another garden variety trace that gets wiped out by the Reapers?

Good question.

I wonder whether they just soldier on in their delusions, or if Hanar society/culture goes through a major shakeup.