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[whywhywhywhy]

I imagine with all the reapers flying aroung this will be a real concern so if one of your squad members got indoctrinated and you had the option of killing them, letting them go or trying to find a cure.  But finding a cure comes at a cost you lose a third of your fleet to fight the reapers, Who lives ?

Miranda- lives
Jacob- Unless he proves more useful storywise I have to say bye to my brother.
Joker- dead.
Jack- lives
Chakwas- She'd probably tell me to kill her, who am I to disagree.
Grunt- lives.
Garrus- lives.
Zaeed- dies.
Kasumi- dies.
Thane- If his condition is cured he lives otherwise he dies.
Tali- lives.
Liara- lives.
Mordin- sedated and kept in a jack like cry unit until cure is found otherwise you know he'd escape.
Samara- dead.  (Conflicted about that one though)
Morinth-  dead.
Virmire Survivor- dead.
Wrex- lives.

those are my choices what would yours be ?

[-Severian-]

I'd kill all of them. I adore the characters in this game, but I don't know how many times the games have to show that you don't muck around with indoctrination before y'all get the message: Arrival, the Cerberus team on the Derelict Reaper, the Prothean sleeper agents, Saren, the Virmire Salarains... the list is endless. They get a bullet in their head with as much detachment as I can manage, I'm afraid, because they've gone beyond being a simple liability and are now an outright threat. I extend that even to the LI.

Modifié par -Severian-, 29 juin 2011 - 12:18 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I agree, kill em all

[jamesp81]

Just lock them all into sleeper pods until a cure is found.

[BickDutt]

Garrus Vakarian can't be indoctrinated.

He indoctrinates.

[gunswordfist]

Miranda- Dead
Jacob-Dead
Joker- lives
Jack- lives
Chakwas-lives
Grunt- lives.
Garrus- lives.
Zaeed- lives
Kasumi-don't have her
Thane- lives. Don't know if he'll survive his disease though
Tali- lives.
Liara- dies
Mordin- lives
Samara-lives
Morinth- dead.
Virmire Survivor- dead.
Wrex- lives.

[ZenJestr]

I agree with Severian, I'd kill anything indoctrinated, even my LI...it's indoctrination, not a flu that'll pass given time...

whether or not I want that to happen, though...............maybe................only if it's done right and is a result of a choice you made within ME3

[DoNotIngest]

Rather unlikely scenario. If it was a choice between your LI and something, it'd probably be between your LI and Shepard, another squadmate/s, or a few dozen/hundred/thousand people, not millions of people and tens of thousands of warships.

[CannotCompute]

Jacob, Grunt, Kasumi, Tali, Liara and Morinth would get blown out of the airlock.

[The Spamming Troll]

i hope everyone is indoctrinated except shepard, conrad vernor, and niftu cal.

[Gabey5]

indoctrination takes time,

but if they were.. of course, they became the enemy

[HTTP 404]

how about this.  Through indoctrination methods on Shepard through the exposure over the years (cerberus implants, two days with relic on arrival, sovereign, derelict reaper, etc), Shepard believes that his crew is indoctrinated.

Tali:  hey commander....what are you doing with that shotgun

Shepard: better safe than sorry

Tali: what?

BLAM!

Shepard: now where's garrus?

[Epsilon330]

Considering he's/it's/they're synthetic, Legion cannot be indoctrinated, same with EDI.

So, along with that theory, I wouldn't give a flying pig's ear about the rest of the crew, even Joker. As long as my Brobot, Conrad Verner and the BIOTIC GOD (fear him!) are by my side, with EDI piloting the Normandy, the Reapers are royally screwed.

[MegaBadExample]

If they got indoctrinated I'd kill them all. I'm commander shepard and I don't have time for this shiz.

[SandTrout]

I'm with Severian, as well. If my squadmate(s) has been indoctrinated, I'm going to put them out of their misery. It is what most of them would have wanted, anyways, rather than be a slave to the Reapers, and it's frankly too much of a risk to leave any indoctrinated person (including Shepard) alive at this point.

Well, unless you can choose to study them in order to research a defense against Indoctrination.

[corrin1984]

* Minor Spoiler *

Well, there MIGHT be a cure for it anyway. Remember Shiala, the Green Asari, was indoctrinated but was fine after the mission on Feros. (If you let her live that is) It's possible there are ways around it. So I would hope not to have to kill people. However if I HAD to:

Jacob - First to go. Sorry, man but... you know how it goes.
Thane - He's dying anyway...
Zaeed - He's a merc, started the Blue Suns... I should have left him to die before.
Kasumi - She'd never go near the Reapers long enough to get indoctrinated. She'll live.
Miranda - Most likely she'd off herself if it started to happen.
Joker - Nah. I'd just break his fingers and legs so he couldn't do anything to harm us.
Garrus - Same as Miranda, either that or he'd ask me to. I'd feel bad about it.
Mordin - I imagine he'd actually be the first one to be indoctrinated, given he'd probably be the one trying to find out how to stop it. I'd probably have to end him.
Jack - She wouldn't make it easy... let's hope I wouldn't have to.
Ashley - Same as Jack... only she's got an assault rifle.
Kaiden - Isn't he all ready dead?(Seriously, never had a play through where he made it.)
Wrex - Shepard? Wrex. Shepard? Wrex? Shepard! * BLAM * Oh... he wasn't even indoctrinated yet...
Samara - Yeah. She's toast.
Morinth - Got a whole ton of reasons to kill her... but still I doubt it'd be easy.
Legion - Nah just reprogram him.
Liara - No thanks. I'll let her kill me. Reapers win. Oh well.
Tali - No way, I'd sooner lose the game. mm... just like Liara... weeeeiiiiirrrrddd.

Modifié par corrin1984, 29 juin 2011 - 04:46 .

[MissMaster]

Mmm.

I could not kill Garrus, Tali and Jack . Herp.

Sorry universe, they are my bros.

Modifié par MissMaster, 29 juin 2011 - 04:52 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Yay! It's another one of these threads about "Who would you kill if given the oppurtunity."

[Thompson family]

If they're indoctrinated, then whomever they were is already dead.

[Sjaddix]

What how is that hard a choice? If no cure, kill them all. Its the galaxy, u fail and u and the rest of your bros might as well be dead

[VaticanVice]

In terms of plot, I find the Virmire Survivor most likely to undergo indoctrination, and lemme tell you, I will not hesitate to finish what I started there.

If it's someone else it'll be harder for me. There's no way I'm shooting Garrus, for example, even if he's actively trying to kill me. I will shed a single tear if I have to leave him to get blown up somewhere. Maybe several, if it's especially poignant, with violins or something.

[VegasVance]

Arcian wrote...

Every single one would die. I would not risk the fate of the galaxy for a single person, not even Garrus.

^This.

[Han Shot First]

But finding a cure comes at a cost you lose a third of your fleet to fight the reapers, Who lives ?

If Shepard is willing to sacrifice a third of the fleet he's assembled in order to save one person from indoctrination, he is a poor combat leader that has no business leading the fight against the Reapers. Selfishness should never come in to play. The lives of people you care about should not given more weight than the lives of other people under your command, or who are fighting along side you. A combat leader also sometimes has to be willing to lose men that are under his command, if need be. 

Sound harsh? That is because it is. This story from a British Officer that fought in Burma during WW2 is an example is the awful, cold, hard reality of combat leadership:

The stretchers lay in the path itself, and in each stretcher
   lay a soldier of 111 Brigade. The first man was quite naked
   and a shell had removed the entire contents of his stomach.
   Between his chest and pelvis there was a bloody hollow,
   behind it his spine. Another had no legs and no hips, his
   trunk ending just below the waist. A third had no left arm,
   shoulder or breast, all tom away in one piece ....

   Nineteen men lay there. A few conscious. At least, their
   eyes moved, but without light in them.

   The doctor said, "I've got another thirty on ahead, who can be
   saved, if we can carry them.... These men have no chance ....
   None can last another two hours, at the outside."

   I said aloud, "Very well. I don't want them to see any
   Japanese." ... Shells and bombs burst on the slope above
   and bullets clattered and whined overhead.

   "Do you think I want to do it?" the doctor cried in helpless
   anger.... "We can't spare any more morphia."

   "Give it to those whose eyes are open," I said. "Get the
   stretcher bearers on at once. Five minutes."

   He nodded and I went back up to the ridge, for the last time.
   One by one, carbine shots exploded curtly behind me. I put
   my hands to my ears but nothing could shut out the sound.

Shep should be willing to take the lives of his team if they become indoctrinated, even if they are people he cares about. At that point they are threat to the mission. Absolutely nothing takes precedence over the ultimate goal of defeating the Reapers, and for that you can't afford to lose 1/3 of your fleet to save the life one indoctrinated squad mate.

Now if the question were framed differently, and we were asked if we were willing to sacrifice 1/3 of the fleet in order to find a cure for indoctrination, if that cure was thought to be the key to defeating the Reapers (from the inside?), I may answer differently.

But I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice ships even to save Garrus, who in my canon playthrough is Shep's closest friend on the team, or to save Liara, who he loves.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 juin 2011 - 05:22 .