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[Xilizhra]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

None of them are, in fact, bug-eyed monsters. So either she's high or she's using an undeniable epithet.

Or that that is what they look like to her. Still doesn't mean she hates them.

So... she is high, then?

[dreman9999]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

IDK why more people don't like her. (she's not racist, sorry!)

She is xenophobic. Mildly so, but it exists. Of course, many humans are; Paragon Shepard, Kaidan and Anderson seem to be exceptions.

You're wrong. But I'm not gonna debate with you about it and hijack the thread in the process. 

She is hands down. Just she has better control over it than most people. But that goes away over time with dealing with aliens...Outside of bartarians.

[dreman9999]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Seems other Ashley fans have taken up the fight here. I was gonna suggest moving it to the Ashley thread... but here's my response, nonetheless.

Xilizhra wrote...

Also, "I'm no fan of aliens."

1. Cerberus - A highly pro-human organization. If she hated aliens that much she would have been one of the first people who signed up to work for Cerberus. A chance to screw over aliens the galaxy over would have been a great idea.

However, she puts down Cerberus on multiple occasions and even doesn't join Shepard in ME2 b/c he is working for or with that organization. "I'll never work for a group like that."

2. Terra Firma - Another highly pro-human group. She openly argues against this group when you talk to the leader in ME1. Can't recall the exact quote, but she is disgusted by the racism involved.

The reason everyone says she's racist or a xenophobe is b/c of when she says she doesn't trust Wrex or Garrus to be poking around the ship. All this is is looking to protect her and her organization's own interests. It's not... OH, I HATE THOSE STUPID ALIENS, LOCK THEM UP NAO!

It's the same as, let's say... I'm a crewmember on a naval ship here on earth and someone that gets assigned to the ship is from another countries military. We are only allies in this time of war. This guy also happens to be black. I ask my commander if we should really be letting this guy look at our ships important systems. He may be an ally, but that doesn't mean we should trust him completely. Yet, because I don't trust him... all of a sudden, I don't like black people and am racist?

Sorry, that's crap.

That does not mean any thing. Remember she is a loyolist to the Alliance, If the Alliance say some one is bad, she'll feeel that is bad. And with the alliances public commentabout cerberus, and what they done to humans.
With Terra Firma, they took a dump on her family history, so she is not going to like them and the alliance said play nice with the aliens.

[Unpleasant Implications]

I like the new Liara, I feel less like I'm dating a dreamy eyed high-school girl now. Besides, two years and a hard loss can really change a person, so it wasn't really all that unexpected.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:07 .

[Drone223]

I think Liara is a neat character (also one of my canon LI), but being some one who studies the Prothean's for 50 years, with no experince of being an infomation broker, to becoming the shadow broker in less than 3 years, is really pushing her charater beyond belief, mabye 5 or 6 years would have been more convincing (sp) for but not 2 or 3  

Modifié par Drone223, 13 novembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[Xilizhra]

The comic explains them very poorly and it's badly written. Like I said, I would have found her change easier to believe if I didn't read it.

'Tis a pity.

No, she doesn't.

"Don't you think I don't want to go with you, Shepard?" Or something to that effect.

I beg to differ.

Beg all you like.

Liara does know, she's an information broker. She even knows who your romance is if you "cheated" on her.

The suicide mission part is also badly written but it's no exaggeration. If you truly don't believe that then I suggest you replay ME2.

It's completely an exaggeration. The only difference between this mission and any other is that Shepard can't be everywhere at once, and if she's not a moron about choosing roles, it'll go swimmingly. There may have been a dialogue oversight there, but it matters nothing to me.

I think Liara is a neat character (also one of my canon LI), but being some one who studies the Prothean's for 50 years, with no experince of being an infomation broker, to becoming the shadow broker in less than 3 years, is really pushing her charater beyond belief, mabye 5 or 6 years would have been more convincing (sp) for but not 2 or 3

When Liara focuses on something, she's very good at it. She is, basically, a genius, and somewhat obsessive.

[Xilizhra]

"I can't Shepard. I'm sorry. I have commitments here. Things I need to take care of."

Indeed. Regrettably separated from you. Oh well.

[pf17456]

No. I did not loose interest in Liara during ME2. I do admit being disappointed during Illium but not fainthearted. Throwing in the towel at that point would have been a lame demonstration of an inability to care inconsistant with the Shepard who presses on in spite of adversity. In my playthroughs Shepard cares deeply for Liara so understanding and support were just second nature.

[Quole]

Uh I thought Lira became more interesting in ME2.

[TomN7]

I lost respect for her when she gave Shepard to Cerberus.

[Vilio1]

Good to know. That was certainly worth resurrecting a three month old thread.

[Seboist]

I lost interest in Liara in ME1.

[saracen16]

I disagree: ME2 made her more interesting. Her about-face in her personality really caught me off-guard, and it was interesting to see what the reason was behind that.

[DPSSOC]

ME2 made me more interested in Liara but in the same way I was more interested in the badger living under my deck when I found out it was rabid.

[GamerGirl5260]

Here is a quick summery of my opinion on Liara.

ME: She is kinda annoying, but her backstory and how she likes to to geology stuff by herself makes her likeable.

ME2: Ugh, she is sooo annoying!

ME3: Hmm okay, thus far she isn't bad.

[Unpleasant Implications]

I prefer ME2/LotSB Liara. She has drive, back-bone, and won't let anyone stand her way. It was love at first sight(of her LotSB rendering). Her ME1 one self was... annoying, to say the least. Atleast to me.

[GuardianAngel470]

i gained interest. I never, ever liked her in ME1. Her character was not in any way attractive to me. Didn't like the soft, cute, awkward scientist/librarian vibe. I didn't like the apparent immaturity.

I also didn't like the abruptness of the character change in ME2 and I thought she was sort of phony with her poorly delivered threats and forced aggression (but maybe that has more to do with her VA than the character shift).

However in LotSB she dropped that act and was in general more convincing. Her dialog was better, her character more interesting, and her delivery improved.

So it's probably more accurate to say LotSB changed my mind.

[ubermensch007]

Anyone else lose interest in Liara during mass effect 2?

Well I chose Ashley over her in Mass Effect 1.But I did still see her as a friend going into Mass Effect 2.My first playthrough of ME2 was in September of 2010.It included no DLC.During my second playthrough, I did Lair of the Shadowbroker right before the Suicide Mission.And it was the best thing ever! My squad makeup in ME1, was primarily Shepard, Tali and Liara.Full Combat - Full Tech and Full Biotic. Having the old gang back together really did feel, "Just like old times." Being able to talk to her in private about all I was going through afterwards.Just hit all the right notes.During my third playthrough, after she reveals that she gave Commander Shepard's body to Cerberus and tells him why.I realized that the unrequited love that she still holds for him, should be rewarded.So I went back to ME1 and started from an earlier save point, finished the game with Liara as my love interest instead of Ashley.And imported this save into ME2.

Now Liara T'Soni was my woman.And I was curious to see how we would interact.I was taken aback by how indifferent she seemed towards Shepard; and how  so obsessed she was with taking down the Shadowbroker.it was as though she  took every opportunity she could to try to get Shepard to break up with her. So I said screw this! I'm not going to continue a relationship with someone who doesn't really seem like they want one. <_< So we broke up.I ended up romancing Miranda, and that's how my fourth playthrough ends.

Recently, I took another crack at my relationshipm with Liara in ME2.And I've had some very interesting revelations.About her bizarre behavior and why she seemed as though she was hesistant to get involved with Shepard once more.I believe that Liara seemed like a crazy woman for two reasons.Remember that she is still in her Maiden Stage of Life as an Asari; add onto this the Mind Meld Sessions that she had with Shep in Mass Effect 1.And I think its clear that she may have had a more adverse affect to that than she was aware of.Remember what she says to Shep the first time she boards the Normandy Sr 1.How amazed she is that the Prothean Data in his brain has not drove him insane, and how a lesser mind would be a few stars short of a galaxy if they were in his place.She compliments him on clearly having a powerful mind and Ashley seems to get jealous.

I believe that in 2185 Liara was suffering some residual affects of "Embracing Eternity" with Shepard in 2183.And that in part is why her behavior was so odd.As for why she seemed to not wish to be romantically involved with Shepard anymore.I  don't know why this did not occur to me before, but I realized that its like she says if you go on a romantic date with her in ME2 "I mourned you for two years and now your back." She didn't want to go through all that pain, grief and loss again.She may have also feared that if Shepard died again, she may feel nothing. And that's a more terrifying thought to her, than losing him again.I understand so much more now, where she is coming from.So one of my Shepard's decided not to put her through that again.So they are just friends.Another Shepard wants "Marriage and blue babies."

Modifié par ubermensch007, 25 février 2012 - 12:24 .

[Jamin101]

Had the opposite effect on me. I choose ashley the first time but then hated her role in me2. After playing LOTSB I thought people who romanced Liara got way more bang for the buck story wise so in my canon playthrough romanced Liara instead.

But now Im torn if I stay loyal to Liara or go with one of the ME2 squad mates. Like do I romance miranda and then after the SM call Liara to the cabin and restart the relationship with her. The first time I ever beat ME2 I romanced Miranda so part of me wants the story to stay like that even with DLC but part of me is so curious as to what Liara would be like in ME3 if you stayed loyal to her for 3 games

[Jamin101]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Anyone else lose interest in Liara during mass effect 2?

Well I chose Ashley over her in Mass Effect 1.But I did still see her as a friend going into Mass Effect 2.My first playthrough of ME2 was in September of 2010.It included no DLC.During my second playthrough, I did Lair of the Shadowbroker right before the Suicide Mission.And it was the best thing ever! My squad makeup in ME1, was primarily Shepard, Tali and Liara.Full Combat - Full Tech and Full Biotic. Having the old gang back together really did feel, "Just like old times." Being able to talk to her in private about all I was going through afterwards.Just hit all the right notes.During my third playthrough, after she reveals that she gave Commander Shepard's body to Cerberus and tells him why.I realized that the unrequited love that she still holds for him, should be rewarded.So I went back to ME1 and started from an earlier save point, finished the game with Liara as my love interest instead of Ashley.And imported this save into ME2.

Now Liara T'Soni was my woman.And I was curious to see how we would interact.I was taken aback by how indifferent she seemed towards Shepard; and how  so obsessed she was with taking down the Shadowbroker.it was as though she  took every opportunity she could to try to get Shepard to break up with her. So I said screw this! I'm not going to continue a relationship with someone who doesn't really seem like they want one. <_< So we broke up.I ended up romancing Miranda, and that's how my fourth playthrough ends.

Recently, I took another crack at my relationshipm with Liara in ME2.And I've had some very interesting revelations.About her bizarre behavior and why she seemed as though she was hesistant to get involved with Shepard once more.I believe that Liara seemed like a crazy woman for two reasons.Remember that she is still in her Maiden Stage of Life as an Asari; add onto this the Mind Meld Sessions that she had with Shep in Mass Effect 1.And I think its clear that she may have had a more adverse affect to that than she was aware of.Remember what she says to Shep the first time she boards the Normandy Sr 1.How amazed she is that the Prothean Data in his brain has not drove him insane, and how a lesser mind would be a few stars short of a galaxy if they were in his place.She compliments him on clearly having a powerful mind and Ashley seems to get jealous.

I believe that in 2185 Liara was suffering some residual affects of "Embracing Eternity" with Shepard in 2183.And that in part is why her behavior was so odd.As for why she seemed to not wish to be romantically involved with Shepard anymore.I  don't know why this did not occur to me before, but I realized that its like she says if you go on a romantic date with her in ME2 "I mourned you for two years and now your back." She didn't want to go through all that pain, grief and loss again.She may have also feared that if Shepard died again, she may feel nothing. And that's a more terrifying thought to her, than losing him again.I understand so much more now, where she is coming from.So one of my Shepard's decided not to put her through that again.So they are just friends.Another Shepard wants "Marriage and blue babies."

The history of your romance sounds very similar to mine except I wasnt smart enough to have several saves where I could go back and change certain details <_<. I created a thread about this specific LOTSB choices and it sounds like your gameplay was similar to mine. Would love to hear your thoughts in that thread if you have the time

[Julia343]

To answer the question posed in the OT: No.

[Ash J. Williams]

Oddly enough I preferred her in ME2 but that's not saying much since I find her overall personality to get on my nerves in both games. She'll definitely be left out of missions in ME3 for me since I switch between my favourite 3 or 4 normally.

Modifié par Ash J. Williams, 25 février 2012 - 12:47 .