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[Repearized Miranda]

 After I saw Miranda, I lost interest in everybody! :innocent:


Seriously, Liara was my romance in ME1, but after I found out what she did with me (handing me to Cerberus), that did it! I talked with Thane for a bit in ME2, but we mutually decide not to persue it.

[ladyvader]

ubermensch007 wrote...

I haven't lost interest in her: she was never my love interset but she is a friend.I miss who she was.I miss how she was, back during Mass Effect 1... She was sweet and endearing, though she had little social grace, i still enjoyed going to talk to her, even though she tended to fall back on giving lectures most of the time rather than engaging in free form rhetoric.But I wasn't all that bothered by this cause it fit her character: what with how most of the time she had very little contact with other people.After seeing her in action on Illium, I think i know why she didn't use to interact with people often...

The woman is dangerous:devil: I'm not a psychiatrist but I think that she has clearly demonstrated a lack of empathy, a lack of social responsibilty, sadism, ruthlessness along with a seeming fascination and desire to pull peoples strings... I really didn't like how she seemed to be relishing and rejoicing about how as she put it, " Give me a week and I could start a war! " I was also troubled by how when I first entered her office, she was speaking and making threats like her mother: Matriarch Benezia... Although when i heard the way she tried to mimic her mother's imposing, dominant personality.It sort of made me laugh:P Liara sounded like the nerd she is when she said, " I'll fry you... with my mind:wizard: She came across as a kid trying to put on thier parents clothes..Butr during our mission: Lair of the Shadow Breaker, she ment buisness!! She had a "Kill them all and let the Goddess sort them out attitude."

The Liara I know and love from ME1 reminded me of Rachel Weiz character from The Mummy.A young woman who was cute, sexy, smart, innocent and adorable.Liara T Soni post "Lair of the Shadow Broker is two steps from becoming a sociopath !! And this saddens me:crying: i want to save her, but Sheppard Commander may have to much on his plate during Mass Effect 3, to even notice how close Liara is to the 'Edge of the Abyss'...

After realizing how strongly she still felt for Sheppard, when she confessed that "She couldn't let you go.":wub: My heart was filled with such pathos for her unrequited love, that I went back to play Mass Effect 1, and chose her instead of Ashley, finshed the game ( This took me about 20 hours from that save point) imported my new data into a new  ME2 Game and finally gave her what she longed for.... I did this not b/c I now was more interested in her than Operations Chief: Ashley Williams.I did it b/c I felt like of all the people who showed romantic interest in Sheppard, no one is perhaps as deserving of the Commander's affections as T' Soni is<3 If love could be acheived through 'merit' she would be an All-Star  Champ...

Now after I went through all this to give her the object of her desires, I was shocked to see how cold and indifferent she was toward me in ME2 So much so that i decided to be with Miranda from that point on in this playthrough...

You know what's kind of funny though...In ME1, i was attracted to Liara's mom: Matriarch Benezia.She is a total MILF and in ME2,  I quickly grew to fancy Matriarch Aeithta, ( her personality smile and attitude, quickly won me over ) long before I found out that she was Liara's father...If this was all real life and threw her Shadow Broker Intel T'Soni found this out about me.That would probably infuriate her to no end... while I respect her 'Unrequited Love" The heart wants what the heart wants...

She said give me 10 minutes and I could start a war not a week. which she finished with..  But I have a purpose, helping you stop the reapers.  That will keep me honest, relative speaking. 

[lazuli]

I didn't think she had much of a personality to begin with. She reminded me of Yuna- nauseatingly soft. Then she did a 180. I'm all for character development, but Liara could have been handled better. Giving me fetch-quests that didn't even begin to seem plausible didn't help either. And normally I'm quite good at suspending my sense of disbelief.

[Saberchic]

Honestly, I didn't really care for her in ME1. One of my Sheps slept with her because he wanted some tail.

I honestly like her better now after playing LotSB, so apparently I had a different reaction than the OP.

Before playing that, I was creeped out by how much Liara was obsessed with my Shep. I mean, seriously, in all of my playthroughs (except the one), I told her I was never interested in her that way. Yet in ME2, she tells me how she couldn't let me go, etc. It was a bit overwhelming.

[ubermensch007]

ladyvader: [/quote]She said give me 10 minutes and I could start a war not a week. which she finished with..  But I have a purpose, helping you stop the reapers.  That will keep me honest, relative speaking. 
[/quote]

Well if that's the case, If that's what she truly said than I find it more terrifying and saddening how similar she is becoming to her mother:o because that sounds like some SERIOUS "HUBRIS"

Hubris ( /ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, means extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality
and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities,
especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

If you recall from the first game, this was her mothers weak point.She kept going on about " Have you ever faced an Asari Commando Squad?" And thought she could deal with Saren all by herself.I remember really liking how i responded to her once after I defeated the 'Feared and Reknown' Asari Commando's...I forget what Sheppard said but it was something like," Is that it?!  Were those the  'Big Bad Asari Death Squad' that everyone raves about..." Matrirch Benezia than looked at me and scowled, but she really couldn't say anything cause i just kicked her ass

Modifié par ubermensch007, 30 juin 2011 - 05:04 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

Not at all, I generally prefer the anti-heroes/bad guys in fiction. I barely looked twice at her in the first game, her new attitude made me reconsider. Liara is now my favorite romance option for my canon renegon Shepard. She still hardly compares to many of the other companions when it comes to being ruthless, especially renegade Shepard. With LotSB, she has the best story arc of any character in the game. Admittedly she is a bit weird/obsessive over Shepard, which is even more awkward if Shepard was nothing but rude to her in the first game. It would be nice if they gave us another way to avoid auto-hugging her besides avoiding her entirely.

[ThePwener]

I did..... but I got interest back when she went to her normal self at the end of the DLC, and now Im conflicted... because I also shagged Miranda.

[ladyvader]

[quote]ubermensch007 wrote...

ladyvader: [/quote]She said give me 10 minutes and I could start a war not a week. which she finished with..  But I have a purpose, helping you stop the reapers.  That will keep me honest, relative speaking. 
[/quote]

Well if that's the case, If that's what she truly said than I find it more terrifying and saddening how similar she is becoming to her mother:o because that sounds like some SERIOUS "HUBRIS"

Hubris ( /ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, means extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality
and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities,
especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

If you recall from the first game, this was her mothers weak point.She kept going on about " Have you ever faced an Asari Commando Squad?" And thought she could deal with Saren all by herself.I remember really liking how i responded to her once after I defeated the 'Feared and Reknown' Asari Commando's...I forget what Sheppard said but it was something like," Is that it?!  Were those the  'Big Bad Asari Death Squad' that everyone raves about..." Matrirch Benezia than looked at me and scowled, but she really couldn't say anything cause i just kicked her ass

[/quote]Liara isn't full of hubris, you just think that.  All she had on her mind for two years was mouring two of her friends and wanted to pay back the debt for Feron giving himself up to Shadow Broker to keep Shepard's body from the collectors.  She knows what she is doing unlike her mother.  She was no longer of her own mind and Liara knew that too.  She knew Cerberus would use Shepard and she felt very guilty about it, but she just couldn't let Shepard go.  That again isn't hubris.  If you think she will be like the yagh and go around having people killed, she won't.  That is not her style at all.  Yes, she let Sekat die, but that was to get the data she needed to get at the SB and like Shepard said, that was in Vasir not Liara.  She would not order troops to bomb a building full of innoncent people just to kill one person.  

Liara also took down her hardness once the SB was defeated.  Liara knows what the stakes are and she will do what she needs to do to help Shepard defeat the reapers.  And the reason she feels being the SB is a dream job isn't about power but about being alone, working by herself.  Which is what she did before being rescued by Shepard.

You are seeing something that is not there.

[ThePwener]

^She's the friggin Shadow ****ing Broker! The most powerful individual in the galaxy (second to Shepard obviously)! Hubris comes with the territory.

[Asari Scientist]

[quote]ladyvader wrote...

[quote]ubermensch007 wrote...

ladyvader: [/quote]She said give me 10 minutes and I could start a war not a week. which she finished with..  But I have a purpose, helping you stop the reapers.  That will keep me honest, relative speaking. 
[/quote]

Well if that's the case, If that's what she truly said than I find it more terrifying and saddening how similar she is becoming to her mother:o because that sounds like some SERIOUS "HUBRIS"

Hubris ( /ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, means extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality
and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities,
especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

If you recall from the first game, this was her mothers weak point.She kept going on about " Have you ever faced an Asari Commando Squad?" And thought she could deal with Saren all by herself.I remember really liking how i responded to her once after I defeated the 'Feared and Reknown' Asari Commando's...I forget what Sheppard said but it was something like," Is that it?!  Were those the  'Big Bad Asari Death Squad' that everyone raves about..." Matrirch Benezia than looked at me and scowled, but she really couldn't say anything cause i just kicked her ass

[/quote]Liara isn't full of hubris, you just think that.  All she had on her mind for two years was mouring two of her friends and wanted to pay back the debt for Feron giving himself up to Shadow Broker to keep Shepard's body from the collectors.  She knows what she is doing unlike her mother.  She was no longer of her own mind and Liara knew that too.  She knew Cerberus would use Shepard and she felt very guilty about it, but she just couldn't let Shepard go.  That again isn't hubris.  If you think she will be like the yagh and go around having people killed, she won't.  That is not her style at all.  Yes, she let Sekat die, but that was to get the data she needed to get at the SB and like Shepard said, that was in Vasir not Liara.  She would not order troops to bomb a building full of innoncent people just to kill one person.  

Liara also took down her hardness once the SB was defeated.  Liara knows what the stakes are and she will do what she needs to do to help Shepard defeat the reapers.  And the reason she feels being the SB is a dream job isn't about power but about being alone, working by herself.  Which is what she did before being rescued by Shepard.

You are seeing something that is not there.

[/quote]

Agreed, she even says as much, saying how it would be about "cataloging information," instead of making contacts.

[ladyvader]

ThePwener wrote...

^She's the friggin Shadow ****ing Broker! The most powerful individual in the galaxy (second to Shepard obviously)! Hubris comes with the territory.

So according to you, Shepard is full of hubris too?  I think not.

[ubermensch007]

ThePwener wrote...

^She's the friggin Shadow ****ing Broker! The most powerful individual in the galaxy (second to Shepard obviously)! Hubris comes with the territory.

Err... Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't The Yahg Shadow Broker lose his position and his life, on account of hubris? On the conversational wheel one of your options while speaking to him his commenting on his arrogance...

One can view a position like that in either one of two ways.Like a 'meglomanic' as you state "Hubris comes with the territory.":devil:  Or you can adhere to the words of President Abraham Lincoln ( and tread carefully ) who said, " If you want to test a man's character, give him power." :innocent:

Modifié par ubermensch007, 30 juin 2011 - 06:26 .

[ladyvader]

ubermensch007 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

^She's the friggin Shadow ****ing Broker! The most powerful individual in the galaxy (second to Shepard obviously)! Hubris comes with the territory.

Err... Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't The Yahg Shadow Broker lose his position and his life, on account of hubris? On the conversational wheel one of your options while speaking to him his commenting on his arrogance...

I can answer that in about 10 minutes.  I have a game that has a file saved right before going into his liar.  BRB while I go and see.  :happy:

EDIT:Shepard just commented that she was determined  and someone was would come after him for working with the collectors.  Liara is the one that ticked him off enough to throw the table because she knew too much about him.  But I would say yes, his pride and arrogance got him killed because he felt noone could touch him.  Well,...we all know how that turned out.

Modifié par ladyvader, 30 juin 2011 - 06:33 .

[Mulgen]

i just think its funny that i rekindled the relationship in ME2 with lotSB...then right after got with tali...so ya, just me or does cheating on the freaking shadow broker sound like a bad idea? lol

kinda curious how that's going to play out

[ladyvader]

Mulgen wrote...

i just think its funny that i rekindled the relationship in ME2 with lotSB...then right after got with tali...so ya, just me or does cheating on the freaking shadow broker sound like a bad idea? lol

kinda curious how that's going to play out

Yes, even as an information broker in Illium, she knew about your other LI if she was Shep's LI in ME1. 

I have a Shep that cheated on her with Garrus and I got back with Liara after the DLC, but now I can't break it off with him.  So, I will have to wait and see what happens in ME3.  Not happy about it, I wanted conflict between Ash/Jack and Kaidan/Jacob.  I wanted no conflicts with either Liara or the Shep that stayed LI free in ME1, so he could be with Tali in ME2.

[Tommy6860]

Since Liara was my LI in ME, I found it very romantic with the experience with her in LoTSB, so I have to say most definitely, "no", to losing even a modicum of interest in Liara. More-so after she revealed to me how my PC was saved when I did her mini-quest on Illium.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 30 juin 2011 - 07:04 .

[Tommy6860]

@ryluna: No argument from me. Liara not being in ME would mean no ME for me. <3<3<3

[Dangerfoot]

I lost interest in the identical character that they replaced Liara with. For a moment at the end of the DLC she seemed like Liara again, but most of her other dialogue was just silly. They had no idea who this character was and what drove her.

[KingNothing125]

I was originally pretty anti-Liara (or anti-Asari, more specifically). A race of blue humanoid "females" who are xenophiles and almost universally hot and flirty/sensual? Liara being the only s/s option? Ugh. Fan-service run amok.

However, I recently finished a Shep who romanced Liara (for completion's sake), and played through Shadow Broker, and was actually impressed. Lose interest in Liara? I would argue the opposite. I gained interest in Liara. She's an interesting character (aforementioned obvious fan-service characteristics aside), and the romance angle of the Shadow Broker DLC was very well done, I thought. I hope the Virmire Survivor romance angles in ME3 are as good as Liara's in LotSB.

But regarding how Liara has changed from ME1 to ME2, I think it adds depth. She's spent the two years since you got spaced mourning her good friend (or lover), and trying to find a way to rescue another friend from the Shadow Broker (and "repay" him for trying to sell your body to the Collectors). That's a pretty decent reason to be "cold and calculating", I think.

Besides, you can soften her up quite a bit with the 3 or 4 paragon interrupts during the mission.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 30 juin 2011 - 08:50 .

[KawaiiKatie]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I hope the Virmire Survivor romance angles in ME3 are as good as Liara's in LotSB.

THISSSSSSSSSSSS. I've got my fingers crossed. I'm so very, very hopeful.... but I have this nagging doubt that says that the Virmire Survivor's content in ME3 will not even come close to Liara's ME3 content, plus her LotSB DLC.

[Knight of Dane]

ladyvader wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Nah, i think her development into a ruthless information broker was a little sudden and quite big, but it didn't make me dislike her in any way.

I still prefer Liara over the other LI and i still prefer the old Liara, but my Liara loving shep keeps her as the LI..

I don't think it was that sudden.  It's been two years not two week or a couple of months.  Poeple can change a lot in two years.  Especially if that person is mourning the loss of a loved one and just couldn't let go.  Which is the case with Liara whether or not she was Shepard's LI.

Honestly i don't think it was Shepards death that changed her, i think it was the process of getting her/his body back. The dirty business with Cerberus, the SBroker and Feron had to be pretty rough business and this time on her own and not just as a follower of her commander.

[ladyvader]

Knight of Dane wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Nah, i think her development into a ruthless information broker was a little sudden and quite big, but it didn't make me dislike her in any way.

I still prefer Liara over the other LI and i still prefer the old Liara, but my Liara loving shep keeps her as the LI..

I don't think it was that sudden.  It's been two years not two week or a couple of months.  Poeple can change a lot in two years.  Especially if that person is mourning the loss of a loved one and just couldn't let go.  Which is the case with Liara whether or not she was Shepard's LI.

Honestly i don't think it was Shepards death that changed her, i think it was the process of getting her/his body back. The dirty business with Cerberus, the SBroker and Feron had to be pretty rough business and this time on her own and not just as a follower of her commander.

She only went through all of that because she couldn't let Shepard go.  That was grief.  You are right in a way, the dirty dealings didn't help her any. 

[ERJAK1]

rynluna wrote...

Loyal to Liara. All day, everyday.

I loved her in ME1 and 2....love her evolution.

I love that uniform, but god modding is such a drag. So much sadness.