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[Vilio1]

I like her more now.

I didn't hate Liara in ME1, but the romance plot was a bit shallow, imo. LOTSB made her my favorite squadmate and LI, best written character we've seen so far.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

  It was the opposite for me. I wasn't keen on her in ME1 but after LotSB, I deliberately returned to ME1 to get her as LI. 

[Labrev]

That just had an odd feel for me, personally all I could do was stand back and laugh. It just felt "forced" to me, like she wasn't really feeling that vengeful but was trying very hard to be.

Maybe it was her VA (who's one of the lesser ones in the series, IMHO).

[who would know]

Wasn't interested in the first place.

[alex90c]

I played ME2 first, and LotSB kinda introduced me to the character. Thought she was amazing, went and got ME1, romanced her and she's my fav squaddie easily now.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I never liked her to begin with, I kind of started to like her in ME2, but after LotSB she's gone back down to being my least favorite character.

I want to point out now, in ME1 with this particular Shepard I played with in LotSB that first time, almost never spoke to Liara do to my disliking of her, with the exception of plot scenes where you have to. I mean, that's what you do when you don't like a companion character in an RPG like this, don't talk to them. Don't use them. Then you can play the game without being bugged by them.

Then in LotSB, first off there was the piece of armor that Shepard had died in put up on display. I'm sorry, that's just creepy, stalker like, fan obsession if you hardly spoke to her in ME1. I was half expecting to trigger a hidden switch that opened a door to a massive shrine where Liara sacrificed virgins to a big statue of Shepard.

Then after turning her down from visiting Shepard, telling her let's keep it professional, she gives you this horrible kicked puppy look and it's extremely awkward for about a minute as if the games trying hard to make you feel bad about not wanting to be her friend. Then afterwords I found out it's an actual achievement to invite her to your room and it's the only way to get Shepard's dog tags. My god why does she have Shepard's dog tags! You would think someone closer to Shepard would get the dog tags, not someone Shepard considered merely an acquaintance. She tells you about how she got them as a gift from Hacket. It is just dumb. I'm pretty sure Shepard was wearing his/her dog tags when they died, just like that armor. That's the point of dog tags, identifying a badly wounded or dead soldier. Liara got that piece of armor off the body when handing Shepard over to Cerberus, and the dog tags came from Hackett? Unless Shepard for some stupid reason forgot them at his house after visiting for dinner or he had some involvement with rebuilding Shepard and is secretly apart of Cerberus, I highly doubt he just had them lying around to just gift to her.

I realize the game doesn't have a friendship building mechanic like it does a romance, it's obvious Liara is an important character with a big role, but seriously her obsessive love for Shepard is creepy. I can't just not talk to her, the game keeps forceing me to.

She better have some amazing role in store in ME3.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 05 octobre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Collider]

That is creepy.

[Xilizhra]

My method of dealing with characters in RPGs is to get to like all of them. After a few playthroughs, I can't think of a single Bioware game where I genuinely disliked a companion.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Xilizhra wrote...

My method of dealing with characters in RPGs is to get to like all of them. After a few playthroughs, I can't think of a single Bioware game where I genuinely disliked a companion.

Oh believe me, I tried. Like I said, in ME2 she kind of grew on me and I think it was because she showed less of that of that love for Shepard. I love everyone and I want everyone to come but, but her. I'll just have to get over it, cause I know she is coming back. I just won't use her like I did in ME1. She's the only character I can't make myself like. I can't even pretend to like her to be polite to friends who do like her. 

I'm sorry, I think it's pretty clear by the state of the forums and how quickly people freak out over their favorite characters with even the slightest sense of insult: Not every character is going to be for everyone.

[Collider]

All of this character analysis has led me to disliking all of the female love interests

[BatmanPWNS]

She made a joke against Shepard and that upset me. Now I hate her!

Nah just kidding. I didn't mind her as much but I did think she was going all crazy but at the end she went a little more calmer.

[Asari_Party]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I can't just not talk to her, the game keeps forceing me to.

You can complete ME2 without ever setting foot on Illium. How exactly does the game force you?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Collider wrote...

All of this character analysis has led me to disliking all of the female love interests

There is always Morinth.

[Ryzaki]

Roxy12 wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I can't just not talk to her, the game keeps forceing me to.

You can complete ME2 without ever setting foot on Illium. How exactly does the game force you?

Not if you don't have Kasumi and Zaeed. You need Samara or Thane to reach the limited number of squadmates in that case. 

[spirosz]

I prefer her attitude and personality in ME2/DLC. The main reason is because of certain events in ME1. If you take her to Noveria, she witnesses her own mother's death (I realize she acts the same in ME2 regardless of that decision, but I like to imagine it effected her in a certain way). There's some other events (Ilos), but either way, I like to imagine that these events changed her outlook on life, which leads me to liking her more in ME2.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Mulgen wrote...

she was my romance choice in ME1...but i played lotSB and i cant bring myself to say id pick her again in me3...(granted at the time i hadnt romanced anyone in ME2 yet so i thought, meh why not lol)

I preferred the shy aloof scientist over the cold, calculating, and  psychopathy obsessed with the SB person she was in ME2....with that insane drive you would think she would go for the drell she obsessed over for 2 years

personally i went for tali in ME2 (after i re-romanced liara in lotSB...kinda curious how that's going to play out) just because you either choose, miranda whos ego did nothing but ****** me off, jack......not my cup of tea..., or her and she kind of reminded me of liara from ME1 with the aloof type personality.


just curious if anyone else had the same feeling

No.

[HeartyMedusa]

Personally, I think Liara is one of the Ardat-Yakshi's. It just seems like something Bioware would do.

[EternalSea]

TabithaC wrote...

Personally, I think Liara is one of the Ardat-Yakshi's. It just seems like something Bioware would do.

Huh? But she's already melded with you twice. It's not something you can just catch. 

[CrazyCatDude]

PMC65 wrote...

After playing ME1 with her as a romance then moving into ME2 to get a cold shoulder ... I was not happy, but I realized that she had lost more than anyone (Shepard or the rest of his crew) in the fight against Saren.

She watched her mother die along with individuals that she more than likely knew since she was a little girl (Benezia's Acolytes) and may have seen Shepard kill Shiala who would have known her since infancy.
Cut to watching Shepard die ...

Cold? She had lost everything in ME1 into ME2 ... I would have allowed her to be bitter and even throw Shepard's ass out of her office. 

Lose interest? No. I wanted to know what my Shepard could do to help her find her way back, if at all possible. I also wondered if maybe she had moved on and was seeing someone new - it had been 2+ years, which drove my Shepard crazy as well. 

Then came LotSB!  

This...  Exactly this.  Yes, she was estranged from Benezia, even angry with her at the start of ME1 (see the "I may be Benezia's daughter, but I am nothing like her!" comment).  But no matter how angry you are, losing a parent tears you up inside.  Losing a parent that you dearly love, which it is obvious Liara did if you take her with you on Noveria, and even being an active participant in the events that caused said parent's death, only to find out that the likely cause of the estrangement was something said parent couldn't control (i.e. Indoctrination) must have ripped Liara's guts out.  Sure, she puts on a brave front in ME1, but still.  Add to that she probably did know quite a few of the Acolytes you killed, the knowledge that the person who rescued you from certain death, and who you cared for deeply, maybe even loved is the only thing standing between the galaxy and certain death, and a whole ton of survivor's guilt over leaving Shepard behind on the Normandy, and Liara's near obsessive desire for revenge against the one target she could realistically hope to take down is perfectly understandable.

I never took her anger at the Shadow Broker as being purely about Feron.  I always saw it as the Shadow Broker being a target for all the anger, hurt and rage for what happened to her from Therum all the way to the moment she had to leave *another* friend behind to die.

I will admit, I think LotSB places out a little better if she's your LI in the first game, but I never got the cries of "Stalker Liara," anymore than I get the people who claim Liara "mind raped" Shepard.

As for Romance, my of my playthroughs before LotSB came out, my poor, dispondent Shepard would have a fling with Kelly, and at some point they'd throw themselves at Samara, because they felt lonely and abandoned.  Since LotSB came out, I do the mission right after the Collector ship, because as far as most of my Sheps are concerned, LotSB is her loyalty mission.  Pretty much all my Sheps have only one regret.  That they don't get to punch Ashley in the face.

Well, except my one ManShep.  He was dating Ashley, and deceded to thank her for Horizon by paying a visit to the Engine room with Miranda.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Roxy12 wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I can't just not talk to her, the game keeps forceing me to.

You can complete ME2 without ever setting foot on Illium. How exactly does the game force you?

I do love all the rest of the characters, this includes Samara and Thane(see him down their in my signature there). Unless I'm mistaken, you have to talk to Liara in order to recruit them, and you do need them to complete the game. Trust me, I tried not recruiting them once, I ran out of quests, the game would not continue and the crew would not get abducted until I picked them up(even with Kasumi and Zaeed recruited, the game would not continue without Thane and Samara BOTH). Additionally, I do like playing LotSB, my reasons being it has awesome maps for combat, I get to beat the SB to a pulp, and I like to go save Feron who had played a major role in saveing Shepard to begin with.

ME1 you can't complete without recruiting Liara, and ME2 you have to talk to her.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 05 octobre 2011 - 07:21 .

[mineralica]

Lost interest? Nope! I'm super curious about how far can favoritism go.

[diamondedge]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I never liked her to begin with, I kind of started to like her in ME2, but after LotSB she's gone back down to being my least favorite character.

I want to point out now, in ME1 with this particular Shepard I played with in LotSB that first time, almost never spoke to Liara do to my disliking of her, with the exception of plot scenes where you have to. I mean, that's what you do when you don't like a companion character in an RPG like this, don't talk to them. Don't use them. Then you can play the game without being bugged by them.

Then in LotSB, first off there was the piece of armor that Shepard had died in put up on display. I'm sorry, that's just creepy, stalker like, fan obsession if you hardly spoke to her in ME1. I was half expecting to trigger a hidden switch that opened a door to a massive shrine where Liara sacrificed virgins to a big statue of Shepard.

Then after turning her down from visiting Shepard, telling her let's keep it professional, she gives you this horrible kicked puppy look and it's extremely awkward for about a minute as if the games trying hard to make you feel bad about not wanting to be her friend. Then afterwords I found out it's an actual achievement to invite her to your room and it's the only way to get Shepard's dog tags. My god why does she have Shepard's dog tags! You would think someone closer to Shepard would get the dog tags, not someone Shepard considered merely an acquaintance. She tells you about how she got them as a gift from Hacket. It is just dumb. I'm pretty sure Shepard was wearing his/her dog tags when they died, just like that armor. That's the point of dog tags, identifying a badly wounded or dead soldier. Liara got that piece of armor off the body when handing Shepard over to Cerberus, and the dog tags came from Hackett? Unless Shepard for some stupid reason forgot them at his house after visiting for dinner or he had some involvement with rebuilding Shepard and is secretly apart of Cerberus, I highly doubt he just had them lying around to just gift to her.

I realize the game doesn't have a friendship building mechanic like it does a romance, it's obvious Liara is an important character with a big role, but seriously her obsessive love for Shepard is creepy. I can't just not talk to her, the game keeps forceing me to.

She better have some amazing role in store in ME3.

Hihihihihihi. You, good Sir, just made my day.

Of course that is tad exaggerated at some points, but you bring up much of those that are valid. However, that's not only her problem. Her interaction with Shepard can be annoying to those that didn't pay much attention to her in ME2. I tend to think that's more like bad writing on Bioware's part and not a fault exclusive to Liara. For example, I never paid any special attention to Wrex (not out of dislike, more like I didn't need his abilities in my playstyle, though I was still nice to him), yet they reunite like the best buddies ever because of one paragon wheel on Virmire.

Liara - well - she geniuely loves Shepard to the point of being obsessed but you have to give it to her - it paid off. She is the only reason Shepard got a second life (Cerberus aside for the sake of the argument) instead of being handed to the Collectors. She risked her own life and that of Feron for the slightest chance it might bring Shepard back.

Regardless of how you treat her in ME1, she addores Shepard and would do anything and everything for him. Not that unreasonable for someone in love. Shepard and her mother are probably the only people she had any sort of feelings for in her life - and they were both taken away before her eyes, violently. Not everyone's emotions manifest the same way.

Justifications aside - liking her or not is entirely up to you, just saying that her actions aren't all that unreasonable, especially considering how inexperienced she really is.

[Cypher0020]

I stayed loyal Pre LOTSB.....was kinda errrr with the convos... but I was ok with it

Then LOTSB happened and everything was good again