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[Jpersons]

I really like Liara in the first game, could of been she was the only love interest that could work for me.
at first in the 2nd one i didnt like her at all
At least till Lair of the shadow broker.
I guess i didnt get to talk to her enough in the main game....and yet more then some of your squad

Modifié par Jpersons, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:31 .

[PauseforEffect]

I know she's supposed to have gone through a lot in the time between ME1 and ME2, but some moments, her attitude just does not mesh gracefully with it.
I think it's because I recall the dialogue in ME1 and how she was a socially insecure girl with a wide-eyed fascination with Prothean artifacts and a morally compassionate view. Noveria's corporate backroom deals unsettled her and she was one of the strongest opinions for mercy for the Rachni.
And then ME2 came about.
She's making threats (and rather poor ones at that) towards someone not paying her money, she hardly apologizes for stepping over Shepard to get to Vasir and is lecturing (really? You're lecturing Shepard, the one who had to let a teammate die?) the commander about making hard choices like using Sekat and letting him get killed. Liara endorsing what she protested on Noveria. That's not character growth; that's letting events corrupt you.
All to save one guy. She hardly bats an eye at being the cause of innocent bystanders' deaths when Vasir bombed that building.
It's not just that; it's the offhand comments she makes that makes me want to keep a pistol nearby. Her thoughts on the Shadow Broker's resources and the awareness of the power she had at her hands. That snarky admission about Tali's romance and how even back in ME1, she was manipulating events to play out ot her own advantage.
Yes, circumstances can force you to do things you would never do if you had the chance. Shepard is hardly one to claim the pedestal of righteousness after all the lives sacrificed for the mission. But it's the mindset afterward that determines how much you are still you. Liara does not show guilt nor disapproval for the methods she used.
I'm really not loving her new character. In fact, I keep wondering if she'll continue progressing to the point she just snaps and becomes a psycho that tries to kill Shepard.

[BatmanPWNS]

PrimalEden wrote...

I know she's supposed to have gone through a lot in the time between ME1 and ME2, but some moments, her attitude just does not mesh gracefully with it.
I think it's because I recall the dialogue in ME1 and how she was a socially insecure girl with a wide-eyed fascination with Prothean artifacts and a morally compassionate view. Noveria's corporate backroom deals unsettled her and she was one of the strongest opinions for mercy for the Rachni.
And then ME2 came about.
She's making threats (and rather poor ones at that) towards someone not paying her money, she hardly apologizes for stepping over Shepard to get to Vasir and is lecturing (really? You're lecturing Shepard, the one who had to let a teammate die?) the commander about making hard choices like using Sekat and letting him get killed. Liara endorsing what she protested on Noveria. That's not character growth; that's letting events corrupt you.
All to save one guy. She hardly bats an eye at being the cause of innocent bystanders' deaths when Vasir bombed that building.
It's not just that; it's the offhand comments she makes that makes me want to keep a pistol nearby. Her thoughts on the Shadow Broker's resources and the awareness of the power she had at her hands. That snarky admission about Tali's romance and how even back in ME1, she was manipulating events to play out ot her own advantage.
Yes, circumstances can force you to do things you would never do if you had the chance. Shepard is hardly one to claim the pedestal of righteousness after all the lives sacrificed for the mission. But it's the mindset afterward that determines how much you are still you. Liara does not show guilt nor disapproval for the methods she used.
I'm really not loving her new character. In fact, I keep wondering if she'll continue progressing to the point she just snaps and becomes a psycho that tries to kill Shepard.

I would totally love the bolded part. (Of course it ain't gonna happen but it would rather exciting IMO)

[Xilizhra]

Liara endorsing what she protested on Noveria. That's not character growth; that's letting events corrupt you.

That's... not even remotely the same thing. Sekat's death doesn't mean the end of a whole species.

All to save one guy. She hardly bats an eye at being the cause of innocent bystanders' deaths when Vasir bombed that building.

She's not the cause of it either. That was Vasir and the Shadow Broker, completely.

Yes, circumstances can force you to do things you would never do if you had the chance. Shepard is hardly one to claim the pedestal of righteousness after all the lives sacrificed for the mission. But it's the mindset afterward that determines how much you are still you. Liara does not show guilt nor disapproval for the methods she used.
I'm really not loving her new character. In fact, I keep wondering if she'll continue progressing to the point she just snaps and becomes a psycho that tries to kill Shepard.

If she does, my Shepard might well just take the blow, but I doubt it'll happen. Not now that she has stable ground again.

[PauseforEffect]

Xilizhra wrote...

Liara endorsing what she protested on Noveria. That's not character growth; that's letting events corrupt you.

That's... not even remotely the same thing. Sekat's death doesn't mean the end of a whole species.

All to save one guy. She hardly bats an eye at being the cause of innocent bystanders' deaths when Vasir bombed that building.

She's not the cause of it either. That was Vasir and the Shadow Broker, completely.

Yes, circumstances can force you to do things you would never do if you had the chance. Shepard is hardly one to claim the pedestal of righteousness after all the lives sacrificed for the mission. But it's the mindset afterward that determines how much you are still you. Liara does not show guilt nor disapproval for the methods she used.
I'm really not loving her new character. In fact, I keep wondering if she'll continue progressing to the point she just snaps and becomes a psycho that tries to kill Shepard.

If she does, my Shepard might well just take the blow, but I doubt it'll happen. Not now that she has stable ground again.

I'm talking about the manipulation, the backroom deals, using people to further your own ends. Not the Rachni conversation, I'm referring to her personality dialogue during the garage pass assignment.
She is the cause of the bombing, if not directly, then the reason for it. Vasir is responsible, but Liara's hardly showing any care when Shepard calls her on the callousness of their departure while the Shadow Broker's minions are shooting up the place.
To allow her access to the Shadow Broker's resources is an advantage, but one that carries a sense of risk heightened by Liara's change towards an attitude that is not consistent with her values two years earlier. Either she was more calculating in ME1 than she let on or she's becoming corrupt.

[Xilizhra]

She thought--no, knew I was dead for two years and was caught up in a whirlwind of new situations that she had to adapt quickly to. If she'd had my support, I don't doubt she'd have handled things better, but she did the best she could, and it was rather well done. We're together again, and I'm not worried.

[PauseforEffect]

And while I acknowledge that she had been through much in the two years, I am still suspicious of those moments where she's less than sympathetic towards others.
For those who romanced her, there is a good chance that she may stay stable.
For those who didn't, I hope she finds stability with Feron instead or someone. Her being alone with the Shadow Broker's resources is not a comfortable notion.

[Xilizhra]

PrimalEden wrote...

And while I acknowledge that she had been through much in the two years, I am still suspicious of those moments where she's less than sympathetic towards others.
For those who romanced her, there is a good chance that she may stay stable.
For those who didn't, I hope she finds stability with Feron instead or someone. Her being alone with the Shadow Broker's resources is not a comfortable notion.

Luckily, it's not something I need to worry about, unless someone interesting becomes a full LI in ME3 and I make an alternate Shepard. In that case, I can still be her friend.

[Lucky Thirteen]

diamondedge wrote...

Liara - well - she geniuely loves Shepard to the point of being obsessed but you have to give it to her - it paid off. She is the only reason Shepard got a second life (Cerberus aside for the sake of the argument) instead of being handed to the Collectors. She risked her own life and that of Feron for the slightest chance it might bring Shepard back.

The problem I have with this is that really she was just trying to keep the Collectors from getting the body. Cerberus wanted to bring Shepard back to life, she didn't. She felt bad about handing the body over, and she makes a comment in the comic about how she doesn't understand why they wanted to, tells them they should just leave Shepard dead. You would think she would be all about bringing Shepard back because of her love for Shepard, but instead she says: "I don't see the point Miranda, maybe I don't know what human tradtions are-- but I really think you should let the dead rest. This isn't what I brought Shepard back for."

Feron was contacted and was working with Cerberus before Liara got involved. The whole plot for the comics is confusing as crap, but I think it could have been done without her. It seems like Feron and Cerberus did most of the work and she was just tagging along to biotic b**** slap Feron around.

[aiDvEoN]

Found her to be Blandy McBlsuederson in ME1, and now she's The Blue Mary Sue who mind controlled my canonShep into a buddy cop routine in LotSB and protecting her rather than my LI against big ugly on the ship. And she's a freaking stalked to boot, what with my armour.and dog tags. I went from apathy to having her near the top of my sacrifice list for ME3.

[Tyko Brian]

N-O! Liara is & will always b my Shep's LI! She did to him what no other potential LI's even came close!

[mybudgee]

I have always liked the character, and this may upset a few super-fans, but I personally think it would be BRILLIANT to have liara lose her grip and become an optional villain in ME3. Just sayin...

[Skullheart]

I like Liara as a character, but not as a LI. For my Shepard Ash is way better LI than Liara in ME1.
I didn't like how the romance started. It was something like Shepard having curiosity in Aliens (xenophilia), and Liara offering herself in a silver plate (too easy).

Then we have all her stalking things and her change of personality in ME2. It doesn't matter how many time BW try to force Liara as a LI, I just can't see her in that way.

[Riero3]

I didn't love or hate Liara in ME1 (Was it really necessary to let her faint after each team meeting?).

LotSB was my favorite part of the ME series so far and Liara is definitely more interesting now. IMO Liara's romance is the deepest in the series, but only because of Lair of the Shadow Broker. The DLC made me go back and replay ME1 to choose Liara as my LI.

[DKain]

I love the new Liara a lot more, she's grown up. She is badass and competent, somebody to have at your side.

[Heather Cline]

In ME2 she's more grown up, lost her shy virgin persona. In ME1 she was a virgin and not very experienced. In ME2 she's no longer a virgin and has grown up as she has experienced more in life. So I like her even more in ME2 than I did in ME1.

[DKain]

Heather Cline wrote...

In ME2 she's more grown up, lost her shy virgin persona. In ME1 she was a virgin and not very experienced. In ME2 she's no longer a virgin and has grown up as she has experienced more in life. So I like her even more in ME2 than I did in ME1.

So lesson can we take from this? Sex makes people better! 

[Heather Cline]

No not really. It doesn't always make people better. There are people in real life where sex makes them even worse, sometimes monsters. So the lesson is that the more you experience life be it sex, or say Liara's journey to get Shepard's body back, the more a person changes and grows.

[jlb524]

jreezy wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

I have always liked the character, and this may upset a few super-fans, but I personally think it would be BRILLIANT to have liara lose her grip and become an optional villain in ME3. Just sayin...

Honestly I could see that happening if she was pushed far enough. ME2 proved that she wasn't a goody two shoes.

She would need a motive.  What possible motive is there?  She had a motive in ME2 when she did what she done.

She's not just 'batpoopy crazy let's go evul for the lulz'.

Heather Cline wrote...

In ME2 she's more grown up, lost her shy virgin persona. In ME1 she was a virgin and not very experienced. In ME2 she's no longer a virgin and has grown up as she has experienced more in life. So I like her even more in ME2 than I did in ME1.

Liara may still be a virgin in ME2.

Modifié par jlb524, 31 octobre 2011 - 10:30 .

[Heather Cline]

jib true, she maybe depending on a person's playthrough. *shrugs* even still she grew up and changed due to her exposure to her adventures with shepard and then her quest to retrieve shepard. *nods* so yeah she still grew up and changed.

[Golden Owl]

Before I played ME2, I thought Liara was obsessive (too fast attraction) but rather sweet, I liked her despite the obsessive feel....when I first played ME2 I very much looked forward to seeing her again...as soon I heard she was on Illium I made a direct bee line....The very first cut scene of Liara's new attitude when Shep steps into the room.........and continued to spiral down hill fast, I haven't liked Liara since....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:49 .