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Anyone else lose intrest in Liara durring mass effect 2?


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Mulgen wrote...

she was my romance choice in ME1...but i played lotSB and i cant bring myself to say id pick her again in me3...(granted at the time i hadnt romanced anyone in ME2 yet so i thought, meh why not lol)

I preferred the shy aloof scientist over the cold, calculating, and  psychopathy obsessed with the SB person she was in ME2....with that insane drive you would think she would go for the drell she obsessed over for 2 years

personally i went for tali in ME2 (after i re-romanced liara in lotSB...kinda curious how that's going to play out) just because you either choose, miranda whos ego did nothing but ****** me off, jack......not my cup of tea..., or her and she kind of reminded me of liara from ME1 with the aloof type personality.


just curious if anyone else had the same feeling


I liked it.
She was affected personally by watching Shepard-Commander die, but she reacted to it with action. She faced the loss, rolled up her sleeves and got to work finding Shepard-Commander's rotting corpse. She cast off the scientist in her-literally gave up her life- in pursuit of her friend. Wich, considering that learning about the Proteans was her chief goal in life, represents a major step for her.
Comparatively, Ashely did nothing but weep and read old poetry and try to forget all about Shepard-Commander. And she was supposed to be the tough-as-nails and fearless battler that could arm wrestle Wrex into the dirt.
Bet you can guess who my Shepard-Commander(s) trusted more at the climax of ME 2!

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The question I have to ask is which character because I lost count? I have a canon male shepard for Liara and Ashley for ME 1. Then I have a Canon male shepard who didn't get with anyone in 1 to hook up with Tali, then my Canon Shepard who was with Ashley betrayed her for Miranda. The canon male shepard that got with liara in one is still with liara in 2. I also have another Male shepard who didn't hook up anyone in 1 and 2 in the hopes that in 2 there is a new girl that is romanceable and he can put his moves on her.

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Cant really lose interesting in someone I never had any interest in the first place. I never understood her romance. First she's hopelessly attracted to you for saving her life, then she mind-rapes you, then it evolves into 'love'? Sound more like an unhealthily obsessed fan-girl to me. I tend to ignore her unless I have no choice. Ash for my Shepard.

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Yep. I thought her obsession with the Shadow Broker was completely out of character. It felt forced. I find Samara more interesting anyway though.

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I think the whole quote-unquote 'relationship' with Liara is forced. My honest opinion, she's an annoying tag-a-long in the first game. Only useful in the second game because of her new resources and position as SB.

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I think the relation gets stronger in ME2 so by breaking it you (or me in this case) would be hurting your Shepard more than anything, I like to stay with someone I love no matter what the cause, guess this is why I'm always the one that gets a breakup call and not the other way around lol :*)

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slimgrin wrote...

Yep. I thought her obsession with the Shadow Broker was completely out of character. It felt forced. I find Samara more interesting anyway though.


Same here on both points.

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I lost interest in Liara during ME1

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I didn't. My Paragon Shepard has remained faithful to her throughout the sequel (just finished my first playthrough yesterday, yeah what reflexes I know). Going to buy LotSB soon - as soon as I replay the last ~10h of the game in fact, in order to save the entire Lazarus Cell Crew (aiming for the perfect savegame for ME3 there) Might play ME1 again and romance no-one in order to romance Tali in the sequel though.

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God, Liara was absolutely boring in M1, a shepard's fangirl with no substance. Fortunately, Marc Walter was there, to make her more interesting with the shadowbroker. Now I like Liara. :)

Modifié par Sylvianus, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:44 .


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The Mass Effect series has always been about big themes and Liara's metamorphosis was no exception. The change felt real. Grief/loss/revenge change a person's outlook! The Liara we encounter in ME1 is naive and innocent, spends all her time on dig sites. Liara as we find her in ME2 has spent two unsheltered years in the world finding out that life is no bed of roses - she has grown up. She does what she does to survive, alone without a protector. This thread is even explored in the dialogue on Azure, she is no longer a child but there Shep is protecting her again and she's grown beyond that. Much of the coldness is her shield against the knocks that life has delivered her. Once Shep opened her eyes to what was happening in the galaxy, the spell was broken and the genie couldn't get stuffed back in the bottle. Her innocence was gone. I've got so many builds and character classes, both paragon and renegade that I've had the chance over the hundreds of hours I've spent playing both games (so sue me, I'm an achievement junkie!) that I've now romanced everyone. Tali, Garrus and Liara are the only ones I come back to over and over. But Liara most of all. There will be a place for her in one of my Mass Effect 3 playthroughts without doubt. No matter what they do to her, I love my blue babe and would go to any lengths to win her back for a happy ending with my fem-Shep. (And possibly little blue children!)

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I'm sorry to break your bubble, but every shy, aloof, awkwardly cute scientist is deep down a cold, calculating, and obsessive psychopath. It comes with the career training.

Go for Tali if you want puppy love from someone who's in fact using you as a tool.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 05 novembre 2011 - 12:55 .


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Went from LI, to meh, to "YOU MUS DIE!"

She's become the videogame version  of the ex who is also a co-worker that you try really hard to avoid. I blame her Mako proof plot armor and her ever growing Mary Sueishness.

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NO I Love Liara in ME1 and ME2.

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She used to be my top LI in Mass Effect 1. I loved the bookish, smart, shy, socially awkward type she was. It seemed like in ME2 she suddenly becomes super-biotic tough talking Mary Sue who is Shepard's bff regardless how he or she treated her in ME1. Especially considering asari have a long view on things, Liara's sudden change over two years just isn't believable to me. I like ME1 Liara. ME2 Liara is ok. But they aren't one in the same to me...

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Randall wrote...

The Mass Effect series has always been about big themes and Liara's metamorphosis was no exception. The change felt real. Grief/loss/revenge change a person's outlook! The Liara we encounter in ME1 is naive and innocent, spends all her time on dig sites. Liara as we find her in ME2 has spent two unsheltered years in the world finding out that life is no bed of roses - she has grown up. She does what she does to survive, alone without a protector. This thread is even explored in the dialogue on Azure, she is no longer a child but there Shep is protecting her again and she's grown beyond that. Much of the coldness is her shield against the knocks that life has delivered her. Once Shep opened her eyes to what was happening in the galaxy, the spell was broken and the genie couldn't get stuffed back in the bottle. Her innocence was gone. I've got so many builds and character classes, both paragon and renegade that I've had the chance over the hundreds of hours I've spent playing both games (so sue me, I'm an achievement junkie!) that I've now romanced everyone. Tali, Garrus and Liara are the only ones I come back to over and over. But Liara most of all. There will be a place for her in one of my Mass Effect 3 playthroughts without doubt. No matter what they do to her, I love my blue babe and would go to any lengths to win her back for a happy ending with my fem-Shep. (And possibly little blue children!)


This, this, this!

I was very fond of Liara in ME1, and her manner in ME2 was confusing. After LotSB, however, I had even more appreciation for her than before. Out of everyone, she's definately the character who's grown the most.

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Randall wrote...

The Mass Effect series has always been about big themes and Liara's metamorphosis was no exception. The change felt real. Grief/loss/revenge change a person's outlook! The Liara we encounter in ME1 is naive and innocent, spends all her time on dig sites. Liara as we find her in ME2 has spent two unsheltered years in the world finding out that life is no bed of roses - she has grown up.


She already had combat experience before shepardt rescued her.(against mercs and pirats)
So her life wasnt a bed of roses before and she also wasnt innocent and naive...

Modifié par tonnactus, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:29 .


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Well, where to start and how should I explain?

Liara spent 50 years of her life studying the Protheans. She spent many years being lonely and in remote digs. Then in just two years she changed from an archeologist, a nice socially awkward bookish girl to the frickin Shadow Broker! How some people can totally buy that is beyond me.

Liara was probably my favorite character in ME1. And wow, was I surprised when ME2 came out.

I do get it that people can change. But her change is unbelievable and it's way too drastic, especially for an asari.

She simply acts one way in the first game and then in the second she turns into an entirely different character with a bizzarre and completely unjustified obsession.

The Liaramancers usually argue that you have to read her comic in order to understand it. Well, that’s pretty much bulls#$t. Yes, I read the comic and it's terrible. The comic is nothing but a cash grab. In fact, I would have found her change easier to believe if I didn’t read it. In it, Liara was badly drawn and almost completely OOC. The biggest WTF moment for me was near the end where Liara left Feron behind for no reason. She could have easily saved him but instead she just… left.

I was facepalming the whole time when I first met her on Illium. She makes the worst renegade character ever!

Her character wasn’t developed, the writers simply turned it 180°. They pretty much butchered her character and used her as a plot device. Seriously, why do so many people bother justifying and explain all this? Even Ali Hillis admitted in an interview how confused and frustrated she was because she didn’t understand Liara in ME2. http://www.rpgsite.n...illis-interview

Her Illium cameo was awful. One the biggest things that struck me was how she ignored the relationship. When you meet her she’s like “Hey Shepard, I just need you to hack some terminals for me. Mkay, thanks. That would be all then.” You know what she does if you refuse it? She threatens and possibly blackmails you. That's lovely.

Another thing which bothered me was how she didn’t care about Shepard going on a suicide mission.
Bioware would like us to believe that Liara went through hell in order to just recover Shepard’s corpse. But in ME2, she doesn’t show worry about Shepard going on a *suicide* mission against the Collectors, the exact same guys she was trying to prevent getting Shepard’s body in the first place. It makes no sense. I know she mentions something about it in LotSB but that's only after you finish it and invite her up the Normandy.

LotSB is a great DLC. In it, Bioware did actually put effort into Liara’s character. They did flesh her out more. Yes, I understand that things were difficult for her. Yes, I do feel sorry for what happened to her. Yes, I wish my Shepard didn’t “die” and that he was there for her instead. But… I seriously don’t buy her change. There is so much bad writing.

The main problem with ME2 and LotSB is that they don’t give any sort of justifiable reason as to why Liara underwent such a drastic change.  Her transformation from the character she was in ME1 to the character she is in ME2 makes no sense. 

LotSB  almost completely ignores the comic and her Illium cameo. What really happened to her after Shepard’s death? What about the part where she threatened and possibly blackmailed Shepard? What about the part where she didn’t care whether he would die on the suicide mission? What about the part where she wasn’t there for Shepard when he needed her the most? These things are what mainly ruined the romance for me, which is a shame because it was my favorite one of all.

LotSB did a better job than just a cheap and lazy “that’ll do” explanation, but it didn’t redeem her character.

So overall, what can I say?
Do I prefer the ME1 Liara? Yes.
Did I lose interest in Liara during ME2? Yes.
Would I like the ME1 Liara back? Of course not. Too many things happened and I cannot ignore them. Besides, at least she became more confidant, she matured and she became more independent. I love those. I love her new look as well and I’m hoping Bioware keeps it in ME3. I may still facepalm whenever she tries to be renegade but perhaps I'll get used to it. And I’ll make sure she stays being the Shadow Broker in ME3.

Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 13 novembre 2011 - 08:46 .


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I hated her in the first game, still hate her in the second, in the 3rd... well, let's just say - if the reapers are hungry, I have the perfect snack

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Clara Shepard wrote...

I hated her in the first game, still hate her in the second, in the 3rd... well, let's just say - if the reapers are hungry, I have the perfect snack


This.

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Neria Rose wrote...

Clara Shepard wrote...

I hated her in the first game, still hate her in the second, in the 3rd... well, let's just say - if the reapers are hungry, I have the perfect snack


This.


I'm with you guys.

Well, she did have some cool moments in LOTSB but just not enough for me to actually start liking her.

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Yeah. I was never really gaga for Liara, but the interest definitely took a nose dive in ME2.
Third time's a charm? o_o

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Sylvianus wrote...

God, Liara was absolutely boring in M1, a shepard's fangirl with no substance. Fortunately, Marc Walter was there, to make her more interesting with the shadowbroker. Now I like Liara. :)


*old quote is ancient*

Hmm, funny, I thought Liara wasn't very interesting in ME1, and her sudden change to "SB" doesn't work for me at all. Somehow Liara seems to be more a character made of two entirely different persons. While others lack any real authentic character, the writers tried to hard with Liara.

Couldn't ever fall in love with a woman like Liara - and that's not the looks (she's okay), but the character.

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Sylvianus wrote...

God, Liara was absolutely boring in M1, a shepard's fangirl with no substance. Fortunately, Marc Walter was there, to make her more interesting with the shadowbroker. Now I like Liara. :)


I think Patrick Weekes wrote LOTSB, Mac Walters wrote the Liara comic (I like ME2 Liara way more, she's is one of my favorite characters now)

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The Liaramancers usually argue that you have to read her comic in order to understand it. Well, that’s pretty much bulls#$t. Yes, I read the comic and it's terrible. The comic is nothing but a cash grab. In fact, I would have found her change easier to believe if I didn’t read it. In it, Liara was badly drawn and almost completely OOC. The biggest WTF moment for me was near the end where Liara left Feron behind for no reason. She could have easily saved him but instead she just… left.

The comic gives reasons, but explains them poorly. No matter; it doesn't affect the game too much. I found the changes believable, anyway.

Her Illium cameo was awful. One the biggest things that struck me was how she ignored the relationship. When you meet her she’s like “Hey Shepard, I just need you to hack some terminals for me. Mkay, thanks. That would be all then.” You know what she does if you refuse it? She threatens and possibly blackmails you. That's lovely.

She does say, repeatedly, that she'd like to go with you.

Bioware would like us to believe that Liara went through hell in order to just recover Shepard’s corpse.

Well, she did.

But in ME2, she doesn’t show worry about Shepard going on a *suicide* mission against the Collectors, the exact same guys she was trying to prevent getting Shepard’s body in the first place. It makes no sense. I know she mentions something about it in LotSB but that's only after you finish it and invite her up the Normandy.

Shepard never actually mentions the "suicide" part to Liara. Actually, she doesn't mention it to many people... which is good, because the "suicide" part is a serious exaggeration.

I hated her in the first game, still hate her in the second, in the 3rd... well, let's just say - if the reapers are hungry, I have the perfect snack

I believe the Reapers are looking for whiter meat.