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[Gabey5]

why does no one else say things like this in D2A? i love odd speak in fantasy games..  lets keep it less modern with language in da3

also noticed the lack of "tis"

[Eternal Phoenix]

"Ho there friend! Where art thou headed?"

Origins even lacked such talk, so I doubt they will add it in DA3. I noticed Morrigan however used words like "tis" and Calian used "tis" once. Feredeians may speak a bit like that and maybe Kirkwallians speak a bit different and so Hawke and family adapted and started speaking like the Kirkwallians as well, using words such as "Serah" and so. I think different regions in the DA universe have people with different accents and words, this is much like in real life to.

Elsewhere in Thedas, people could be speaking with Ho and thou, The Maker did...

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 29 juin 2011 - 04:57 .

[Torax]

DA2 had a few differences as well to origins. For example majority of the Dalish now have Irish ascents to separate them from the other elves you come across. Morigan saying "tis" would be her faint of a intellectual. As for terms like Serah. They could have more to do with influence from regions like Orlais. But as was pointed out things like "Ho there friend". That is more a thing Blizzard would use for a character like Deckard Cain. "Sit a while and listen."

[dgcatanisiri]

Didn't Cailan say 'Ho there' to Duncan when you arrived at Ostagar? Maybe it's just a nobility affectation, and since Hawke doesn't interact much with the nobility (Hawke being the nueve rich as opposed to the old money all over Hightown), we don't hear that much of it.

[whykikyouwhy]

I agree with the assessment by Elton John is dead. The lack of "thee", "thou", "tis", etc could also be a conscious decision on the part of the writers. Too much of the formal Old English-esque manner of speaking may either not translate well into other languages, or may come off as awkward and halting for the casual gamer. I don't think the language in the DA games is confined by time (era/period in comparison to our own history) so much as it is by story. "Tis" just may not have been a smooth fit all around.

Just my theory though.

[Foolsfolly]

They're clunky words that the English language left behind.

Look at the Thor movie. The character Thor in the comic book talks with "thou" "tis" "thee" and all that. That used to mean "fantasy" in people's minds.

However, something big happened about ten years ago. That thing was the Lord of the Rings movies which kept away from the "thees" "art" "tis" words. Instead that movie gave us our new fantasy talk, which is an older form of English, a more formal tone of English but very much more in line with Modern sensibilities.

And since then, Thor speaks like he's from Middle Earth. Game of Thrones talks like Middle Earth.

Dragon Age had Morrigan....and there were some lines they gave her that were way too clunky for no reason.

[frustratemyself]

'Ho there' while pointing fingers?

I can see someone getting their feelings hurt

[Really Sad Panther]

Only if get the reply
I do not budge; keep your "ho there".

[MinotaurWarrior]

They all talk in contemporary Thedasian, which is translated into contemporary english.

Morrigan learned Thedasian from old books and an immortal witch, so she speaks an older version of Thedasian, translated as semi-shakespearean english

Also, irl, I say "Ho" as a greeting when I see people from far away. It's easier for me to project "ho" than it is for me to project the preffered local greeting, "yo"

Modifié par MinotaurWarrior, 30 juin 2011 - 02:00 .

[Foolsfolly]

Morrigan learned Thedasian from old books and an immortal witch, so she speaks an older version of Thedasian, translated as semi-shakespearean english

Except Flemeth herself does not speak like Morrigan. I've always wondered where Morri got that from...

[TJPags]

Should be Isabela's official greeting. 


However, go play two worlds - trust me, that kind of language gets old fast.

[nightscrawl]

Elton John is dead wrote...

"Ho there friend!"

Aw... reminded me of Cailan... poor Cailan.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 01 juillet 2011 - 12:08 .

[Gabey5]

i guess that speak died with him

[Agamo45]

I disliked how they "modernized" the language in DA2, obviously to appeal to the COD crowd more, what with the constant use of "*hit" "ass" and "******". They tried to make it sound edgy but it sounded more childish than anything else.

Modifié par Agamo45, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:27 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Agamo45 wrote...

I disliked how they "modernized" the language in DA2, obviously to appeal to the COD crowd more, what with the constant use of "*hit" "ass" and "******". They tried to make it sound edgy but it sounded more childish than anything else.

Well, I'm not sure what specific usage of "hit" you are referring to, but "ass", as in backside, has been in use since the late 1800's, but may actually hearken to a correlation of a donkey's rump in a Shakespearian play.

"******", while fairly moden, sounds a whole heck of a lot better than "teat", which would be a proper Old English term (if we are saying that Thedas uses Old English). "******" just rolls off the tongue easier..."Andraste's ******" versus "Andraste's teat." "Teat" just makes me think of a cow or dog, and I don't think the Maker's wife should be thought of in that manner.

[devilsgrin]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Look at the Thor movie. The character Thor in the comic book talks with "thou" "tis" "thee" and all that. That used to mean "fantasy" in people's minds.

However, something big happened about ten years ago. That thing was the Lord of the Rings movies which kept away from the "thees" "art" "tis" words. Instead that movie gave us our new fantasy talk, which is an older form of English, a more formal tone of English but very much more in line with Modern sensibilities.

And since then, Thor speaks like he's from Middle Earth. Game of Thrones talks like Middle Earth.

Dragon Age had Morrigan....and there were some lines they gave her that were way too clunky for no reason.

considering that Lord of the Rings, the NOVELS don't use thees and thous either, the revelation that the movie was isn't so major. 
Thor in the movie, Thor DOES use thous and thees (or at least words from the same idiom). they're used sparingly, but they are still there. 
Morrigan used those words ("tis" for instance) because her delivery of them was intended to be insulting or sarcastic or both. They fit her perfectly and were never used in a clunky no reason fashion. 

[PsychoBlonde]

TJPags wrote...

However, go play two worlds - trust me, that kind of language gets old fast.

I was just thinking of bringing that up.  Godawful writing + Ye Olde Anglish = so bad it's funny.  Take one away and it's just bad.

[Wulfram]

Cailan probably talks like that because that's how he thinks the Kings in the stories talked.

[nightscrawl]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

"Andraste's ******" versus "Andraste's teat." "Teat" just makes me think of a cow or dog, and I don't think the Maker's wife should be thought of in that manner.

Ahahah... there are several examples of Andraste's name being used as part of a curse in DA2 and I found them all hilarious. "Andraste's great flaming ass!" is one of my faves.

To those lamenting the change from DAO to DA2, I'll point out the people that you run into and associate with in DA2 vs DAO are quite different. The most colorful person in DAO was undoubtedly Oghren, and he can be likened to Varric in DA2, although Varric is certainly more suave about it.

The Dwarf commoner origin in DAO has very bad language, even moreso if you play as a woman. Then you have Dwarf noble; Human noble and mage who you wouldn't expect bad language from; mage (see human mage), Dalish, and city elf who will not only have their own swears, but think about swearing differently. After these various origins, you mainly associate with your own traveling companions, and the people you meet are either town leadership, blight victims, and later on the aristocracy of Ferelden.

By contrast, the very start of DA2 forces you to working with a group of smugglers or a group of mercenaries. Wonderful types, those. No matter which group you side with, you "make a name" for yourself in the underworld. This means you associate with seedy people, unscrupulous people. The sorts of people who find amusement in making Andraste bonfire jokes.

When you think about the language used in DA2 you should consider who is saying it. That matters when deciding if it's just frivolous swearing thrown in to amuse the shooter crowd.

[Tirfan]

I did consider that, and it still did not sound right or natural, but I'm weird that way, I find swearing quite horrible in most literature, especially in fantasy-settings, I'd rather do without. There have been some books or comics were swearing sounds good and natural and fits the characters, in fantasy, I think in the Wheel of time the way Matrim curses sounds quite good, and did not bother me. The best swearing ever however is in Transmetropolitan, and there is quite a lot of it.. (but maybe that is just the fact that I love Spider)

Point being; swearing was not really done well in most cases in DA2, I think there was a few scenes where it worked, but most of the time it felt like it was there to amuse the shooter crowd.

And yes, please, no thees or thous, while quite amusing, they get old and fast. 'Tis worked because it was Morrigan, she can do no wrong in my eyes.

[whykikyouwhy]

Tirfan wrote...

I did consider that, and it still did not sound right or natural, but I'm weird that way, I find swearing quite horrible in most literature, especially in fantasy-settings, I'd rather do without. There have been some books or comics were swearing sounds good and natural and fits the characters, in fantasy, I think in the Wheel of time the way Matrim curses sounds quite good, and did not bother me. The best swearing ever however is in Transmetropolitan, and there is quite a lot of it.. (but maybe that is just the fact that I love Spider)

Point being; swearing was not really done well in most cases in DA2, I think there was a few scenes where it worked, but most of the time it felt like it was there to amuse the shooter crowd.

And yes, please, no thees or thous, while quite amusing, they get old and fast. 'Tis worked because it was Morrigan, she can do no wrong in my eyes.

What if the swearing wasn't full of "bullsh*t" and the like, but more consistently along the lines of "Andraste's flaming {insert preferred body part here}?" I love when curses are colorful. I kept waiting for Isabela to call someone a "vinegar-p*sser" but to no avail.

[nightscrawl]

Tirfan wrote...

I did consider that, and it still did not sound right or natural, but I'm weird that way, I find swearing quite horrible in most literature, especially in fantasy-settings, I'd rather do without. There have been some books or comics were swearing sounds good and natural and fits the characters, in fantasy, I think in the Wheel of time the way Matrim curses sounds quite good, and did not bother me. The best swearing ever however is in Transmetropolitan, and there is quite a lot of it.. (but maybe that is just the fact that I love Spider)

Point being; swearing was not really done well in most cases in DA2, I think there was a few scenes where it worked, but most of the time it felt like it was there to amuse the shooter crowd.

And yes, please, no thees or thous, while quite amusing, they get old and fast. 'Tis worked because it was Morrigan, she can do no wrong in my eyes.

I agree with you there. I also thought the word "b---h" was a bit over used. Of course, not sure how many in the thread have played a femHawke though.


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I have to add though, I love that Fenris swears in Tevinter .

Modifié par nightscrawl, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:10 .

[ReallyRue]

I think "tis" was only used by Morrigan to point out how she has lived her life isolated from others - and therefore speaks a little differently. Personally, DA has always felt a little like a modern game in a fantasy Middle Ages setting, so the lack of Old English speech isn't much of a problem to me.