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[RolandX9]

The geth want to live in space. The quarians want to live planetside.

...why don't they just trade?

Obviously, the actual answer is "three hundred years of war and death," but with the Reapers going nuts and Shepard there to hand them a clue, why couldn't this be technically feasible? It seems like the only real obstacle would be politics -- a huge one to be sure, but not an insurmountable one.

[Thargorichiban]

Well according to Legion the Geth would be happy with that. The only hangup is the fact the Geth won't allow it until they have some sort of assurance that the Quarians will no longer try to kill them/retaliate for the previous war. And from what I saw of the Admirals at the Migrant Fleet this might be a problem.

[Vahir]

They would never come to an agreement.

Modifié par Vahir, 29 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[RainyDayLover]

There can be no optimal solution; the Quarian/Geth problem is unbounded.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The more I think about it the more it becomes clear that there probably won't be any permanent solution to the Geth/Quarian problem because its too core to the ME universe and the Devs would want that to continue into any possible new ME gamse that they make.

This is how I see it happening.

1. You favore the Geth and the Quarians get largely beaten back but the Flotila is still around so the war just gets more bitter.
2. Trying to reprogram the Geth only works long enough to defeat the Reapers after a while the Geth free themselves and everything goes back to where they were before.
3. The two sides work together to beat the Reapers but once that's over niether side can fully trust the other not to do something and they go back to square one.

There can be no true peace or destruction of either of these two groups.

[Brand New]

Geth try to defend the flotilla? I can see it happening or them fighting side by side at one point, but tensions still being high. This could influence them if Legion explains to them.

[AngelicMachinery]

Saphra Deden wrote...

They don't trade because they don't trust the other party not to exterminate them as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

As for an optimal solution: Daro'Xen finishes Rael's work and uses his viral weapon to return all the geth to quarian control. This is the best outcome for everyone. It guarantees trust, protection, and efficiency.

Better slaughter the Quarian's just to make sure they don't mind rape a whole species.

[Quole]

Why havent the geth tried communicating with the Quarians? Obviously the Quarians are going to be hostile towards the geth if the only geth they ever come in contact with are the heretics.

[Raygereio]

Saphra Deden wrote...
As for an optimal solution: Daro'Xen finishes Rael's work and uses his viral weapon to return all the geth to quarian control. This is the best outcome for everyone.

Yep. Best sollution for everyone. Well, except for the sentient beings who - depending on how the virus-weapon works - either just became enslaved or outright destroyed.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Brand New wrote...

Geth try to defend the flotilla? I can see it happening or them fighting side by side at one point, but tensions still being high. This could influence them if Legion explains to them.

Like the old phrase ' Keep your friends close and your enemies closer'?

Its also like the Allies and the USSR in WW2, allies of convenience fighting a shared foe, afterwards though all bets are off.

Modifié par Big_Stupid_Jelly, 29 juin 2011 - 07:08 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

They can always preserve the conflict by having a few Heretic holdouts survive in the more remote parts of the galaxy.

No, that would still require the Developers to make at least two entirely different Quarian/Geth scenarios. One that is the status quo and one that has the Quarians as a no powerful people with powerful robot armies at their control. Just like we can't have a situation where the Geth virtually destroy the entire Quarian race because then you'd have to have a game that has the Quarians as a near extinct specie.

Its too much work to make another game that has to be that different. For the same reason why the Genophage won't be totally cured because you'd have two drastically different Krogan depending on the save game.

Things will not change that much. You might get a few extra lines of dialogue but I'm 99% sure at the end in the epilogue it will say "But after a few years after the Reaper invasion was defeated the Geth and Quarians returned to their old battle lines and tensions continued."

[General User]

The geth might be willing to give up the quarian homeworld, but here's the rub: that won't be enough.

In order for the quarians to be viable as an independent political and economic unit, the geth will have to surrender to the Migrant Fleet at least the entire quarian home system and make military and/or territorial sacrifices to ensure the quarians have unfettered access to the relay network.

Maybe the geth are willing to give up garden worlds, which indeed aren't particularly useful to them, but how willing they are to give up things that are useful to them remains to be seen.

Modifié par General User, 29 juin 2011 - 07:16 .

[Thargorichiban]

Raygereio wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
As for an optimal solution: Daro'Xen finishes Rael's work and uses his viral weapon to return all the geth to quarian control. This is the best outcome for everyone.

Yep. Best sollution for everyone. Well, except for the sentient beings who - depending on how the virus-weapon works - either just became enslaved or outright destroyed.

QFT

It can never be the best decision for "everyone" when an entire species would get enslaved/wiped out. Just because they are artificial doesn't mean they aren't reasoning, intelligent entities.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

They will not designate one player decision as canon and another non-canon in an RPG. The only way to ensure that continuity is maintained for any future game is to clearly foreshadow or out right say that despite whatever you decided to do things more or less went back to the way they were.

Bioware has always done this no decision in any of the games drastically affect anything in the next game. DA:O your mage wants circle mages freed in DA2 they aren't. In ME1 you save/let the council die in ME2 You either get a cameo for a moment or a few more lines from Udina but nothing that changes the game.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Well, except for the sentient beings who - depending on how the virus-weapon works - either just became enslaved or outright destroyed.

Nobody in their right mind cares about a bunch of computer programs. The geth are machines created for a specific purpose, nothing more than that.

Just playing devils advocate here, but all Humans are basically organic machines whose sole purpose is to pass on their genetic material via procreation and further their species.

You and I are just a carrying device for DNA, anything else is a means to an end.

[AngelicMachinery]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Well, except for the sentient beings who - depending on how the virus-weapon works - either just became enslaved or outright destroyed.

Nobody in their right mind cares about a bunch of computer programs. The geth are machines created for a specific purpose, nothing more than that.

As soon as something can rebel against their "Specific purpose" one must assume freedom of thought has come into affect.  The quarian's are just monsters who decided to commit genocide because they accidentally created a new race.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Are we not listening? The final decistions will not change anything in any major way because every decision is designed to be an easy impliment in the next game that will only result in a few changes in dialogue or cameos. The Council decision changes nothing, the Warden's requests changed nothing, the CB I beat will change very little if anything at all. and the Quarian/Geth will still be at war when the game is over. They won't be friends and no one will have defeated the other in any meaningful way.