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[Thargorichiban]

l DryIce l wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Images wrote...

. We can then negotiate with the Geth to take control of the cleaned up Quarian homeworld afterwards.

That won't work. The geth aren't interested in talking to us.

That's just flat out wrong. The Geth talked directly to you in ME2. They have shown an interest in Shepard, at least. 

They also made Legion for the express purpose of communicating with organics. So, yeah...

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That won't work. The geth aren't interested in talking to us.

Now you're just being contrarian, SD. The Geth built Legion to track down Shep and talk to him/her. Not only that, but Legion requested Shep's help and even defered to Shep in the literal life/death decision over the fate of the Heretics.

Modifié par Thompson family, 29 juin 2011 - 11:11 .

[l DryIce l]

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

That's just flat out wrong. The Geth talked directly to you in ME2. They have shown an interest in Shepard, at least. 

Shepard isn't the government. If they want to talk they need to approach actual leaders of the various governments around the galaxy. To date they haven't even attempted this.

Yes, because the government, any government, wouldn't wipe out any Geth on sight. We know that they are open to peace with the Quarians, the group that wants to wipe them out the most. 

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...


Seeking out one person for unspecificed reasons does not indicate the geth have changed their minds suddenly desire diplomatic relations with us. Talking to one person is not enough. They need to contact the governments themselves.

Oh yeah, they need to talk to somebody reasonable and willing to be open minded .....


... like the Council.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Now you're just being contrarian, SD. The Geth built Legion to track down Shep and talk to him/her.

Seeking out one person for unspecificed reasons does not indicate the geth have changed their minds suddenly desire diplomatic relations with us. Talking to one person is not enough. They need to contact the governments themselves.

Now that King Zeel is gone you are my favorite person on BSN Saphra.

[Thargorichiban]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Now you're just being contrarian, SD. The Geth built Legion to track down Shep and talk to him/her.

Seeking out one person for unspecificed reasons does not indicate the geth have changed their minds suddenly desire diplomatic relations with us. Talking to one person is not enough. They need to contact the governments themselves.

Actually it's outrighted stated by Legion that his platform was created to interact with organics directly. Organics, not just Shepard.

Here is a quote from Legion's description in the Mass Effect wiki:

Legion is a unique geth mobile platform, designed to operate outside the Perseus Veil
and interact with organics directly. To that purpose, it houses 1,183
geth programs, as opposed to the one hundred in other platforms,
enabling it to operate independently and speak. Appearance wise, Legion
presented an opportunity to develop the basic geth design by adding
moving parts that allowed it to animate with detailed expressions. The
flaps on Legion's head serve the same purpose as eyebrows to form
expression, raising to imply surprise or interest and folding forward
(much like the furrowing of the brow) to show concentration.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Now you're just being contrarian, SD. The Geth built Legion to track down Shep and talk to him/her.

Seeking out one person for unspecificed reasons does not indicate the geth have changed their minds suddenly desire diplomatic relations with us. Talking to one person is not enough. They need to contact the governments themselves.

Actually it's outrighted stated by Legion that his platform was created to interact with organics directly. Organics, not just Shepard.

Here is a quote from Legion's description in the Mass Effect wiki:

Legion is a unique geth mobile platform, designed to operate outside the Perseus Veil
and interact with organics directly. To that purpose, it houses 1,183
geth programs, as opposed to the one hundred in other platforms,
enabling it to operate independently and speak. Appearance wise, Legion
presented an opportunity to develop the basic geth design by adding
moving parts that allowed it to animate with detailed expressions. The
flaps on Legion's head serve the same purpose as eyebrows to form
expression, raising to imply surprise or interest and folding forward
(much like the furrowing of the brow) to show concentration.

Hurr durr stop retconing the fanservice with variables!

[PhantomSpectre]

Dragoncloud wrote...

@PhantomSpectre i kind of recall legion saying they are waiting for the creators to return (cleaning it up for when they do), a war is not necessary its just the quarians that think they have to fight to get their planet back.

Yeah, I remember that and I know that it's Quarians who think that the war is necessary. But because of this it's going to end up full scale war. Geth will defend them against Quarians attacks.

So, if Quarians aren't going to change their views or even open their minds enough for the possible idea of peace, there is going to be a war. And Quarians are most likely going to start it, if it ever come to that.

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 29 juin 2011 - 11:19 .

[l DryIce l]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Oh yeah, they need to talk to somebody reasonable and willing to be open minded .....


... like the Council.

Talking with the Council might actually produce something productive. Shepard doesn't control governments or hostilities. Shepard can't negotiate for humanity or anyone else because he can't guarantee anything. He has no control.

Don't you get it?

It's like saying I want to negotiate with Russia by picking up some random Russian off the street and talking to him.

Don't tell me you're naive enough to believe the Council would be open to negotiating with the Geth after the Heretics attacked them. The Geth are in the unfortunate position of having to deal with people who think they are all the same. Many of those people are Quarians. 

And Shepard isn't just some random person. He/She has influence. Not a lot, but influence is definitely there. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Yes, because the government, any government, wouldn't wipe out any Geth on sight. We know that they are open to peace with the Quarians, the group that wants to wipe them out the most. 

Oh no, a bunch of platforms might be destroyed. What a horrible setback for the geth.

Here's a clever idea: they can send a signal, you know, broadcast a message. From there they can work their way towards an actual physical meeting.


@Thargoriwhatever

Oh my, you are making this too easy. You realize that they're talking about how the CHARACTER was designed there, yes? As in how the GAME DEVELOPERS designed Legion.

This is why you shouldn't rely on the wiki.

Saphra you really are a gem.
Forum: I like blue.
Saphra: I like red and anyone who likes blue is wrong.
Forum: I like Puppies.
Saphra: Puppies are stupid! Cats are where it's at!

Anyone notice a pattern?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Dragoncloud wrote...

@PhantomSpectre i kind of recall legion saying they are waiting for the creators to return (cleaning it up for when they do), a war is not necessary its just the quarians that think they have to fight to get their planet back.

Yeah, I remember that and I know that it's Quarians who think that the war is necessary. But because of this it's going to end up full scale war. Geth will defend them against Quarians attacks.

So, if Quarians aren't going to change their views or even open their minds enough for the possible idea of peace, there is going to be a war. And Quarians are most likely going to start it, if it ever come to that.

They'd lose...badly.

[Therefore_I_Am]

They should give us no other choice but to side with one or the other, all with a good reason of course. It would make for epic executive decision making. If you talk in depth with Legion, you'll realize how blind the quarians are, and it was in fact they who started the war. I can tell you one thing, if the quarians, Tali excluded, keep going on with the crusade even with the threat of the Reapers and the blatant fact that the geth just want to live in peace, I will purposely let the migrant fleet be destroyed by the reapers if not by my own hand.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 29 juin 2011 - 11:23 .

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Are you serious? How about all of Tali's dialogue about the Geth-Quarian history in ME1?

Such as?

"Am I alive?" doesn't sound as radical to me as it does to you, clearly. The geth were designed to fulfill a variety of roles. The questions they asked can easily be interpreted as the program attempting to gain a clearer definition of quarian beliefs to better fulfill its role as an informative VI.

A VI is designed to give off the illusion of being alive, so this makes sense.

Is not "Am I alive", it was "Does this platform have a soul?", if they show some sign that it could be taken as self knowledge of them as being capable of percieve their existance, then they are sentient. Those question are the basic ones of philosophie, and philosophie is the base of culture, they are forming culture by asking the only thing they know as creators (is the same as praying), and if they have culture, they are sentient.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...


Talking with the Council might actually produce something productive.

That would be a first.

Shepard doesn't control governments or hostilities. Shepard can't negotiate for humanity or anyone else because he can't guarantee anything. He has no control.

Don't you get it?

It's like saying I want to negotiate with Russia by picking up some random Russian off the street and talking to him.

Yes, SD, I get it. I know it's in your nature to be condescending, but you know better with me.

As Legion said. "Shepard fought the Heretics. Shepard fought the old machines (Reapers). You have a perspective we lack."

S/He is not just "some random Russian." Even Cerberus recognizes S/He's a "hero, a bloody Icon," and that the cause of humanity might be lost without Shep.

Cerberus and the Geth know that the Reaper threat is real, something the Council member species all deny -- in public. I still think the Alliance knows better and is covering up, but that's off topic. The Geth know for a fact that the Reaper threat is real because Sovereign/Nazara tried to recruit them and gained a few converts.

Why should the Geth go talk to governments so deeply in denial that they won't even acknowledge the real threat?

Modifié par Thompson family, 29 juin 2011 - 11:26 .

[l DryIce l]

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Don't tell me you're naive enough to believe the Council would be open to negotiating with the Geth after the Heretics...

They were open to peace with the geth even while the geth were exterminating the quarian species (a Council ally). They essentially took the geth's side during the Morning War.

I don't expect them to invite the geth to dinner overnight, but peace can only happen if both sides are willing to talk.

To date, the geth aren't.

They took the Geth's side before the Heretics attacked them. I doubt it's as easy as the Geth just calling up the Council and saying, "Hey, we're open to peace okay?" We don't know if the Geth are even capable of communicating with the Council. We also don't know if the Council is willing to communicate with the Geth, but there's good reason to believe they aren't. 

[Thargorichiban]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Yes, because the government, any government, wouldn't wipe out any Geth on sight. We know that they are open to peace with the Quarians, the group that wants to wipe them out the most. 

Oh no, a bunch of platforms might be destroyed. What a horrible setback for the geth.

Here's a clever idea: they can send a signal, you know, broadcast a message. From there they can work their way towards an actual physical meeting.


@Thargoriwhatever

Oh my, you are making this too easy. You realize that they're talking about how the CHARACTER was designed there, yes? As in how the GAME DEVELOPERS designed Legion.

This is why you shouldn't rely on the wiki.

Saphra you really are a gem.
Forum: I like blue.
Saphra: I like red and anyone who likes blue is wrong.
Forum: I like Puppies.
Saphra: Puppies are stupid! Cats are where it's at!

Anyone notice a pattern?

I do indeed notice this pattern, Admiral! Also a lot of insults flying around from Saphra, but I'm guessing that's just due to personality issues

Here is a line just for you Saphra, pulled right from the game:

Legion: "... Organics fear us. We wish to understand, not incite. One platform was deemed sufficient..."

And it's ok you can't get my name right. Not everyone can read something that is more than 9 characters long and be able to remember it

[l DryIce l]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Yes, because the government, any government, wouldn't wipe out any Geth on sight. We know that they are open to peace with the Quarians, the group that wants to wipe them out the most. 

Oh no, a bunch of platforms might be destroyed. What a horrible setback for the geth.

Here's a clever idea: they can send a signal, you know, broadcast a message. From there they can work their way towards an actual physical meeting.


@Thargoriwhatever

Oh my, you are making this too easy. You realize that they're talking about how the CHARACTER was designed there, yes? As in how the GAME DEVELOPERS designed Legion.

This is why you shouldn't rely on the wiki.

Saphra you really are a gem.
Forum: I like blue.
Saphra: I like red and anyone who likes blue is wrong.
Forum: I like Puppies.
Saphra: Puppies are stupid! Cats are where it's at!

Anyone notice a pattern?

You're sig is awesome. It's also true. Very, very true.