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[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

As Legion said. "Shepard fought the Heretics. Shepard fought the old machines (Reapers). You have a perspective we lack."

Which indicates they are only interested in Shepard because they want information about their enemies. They are clearly not interested in improving relations with organics. They don't want to negotiate.

Even when extinction is staring them in the face?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

l DryIce l wrote...


You're sig is awesome. It's also true. Very, very true. 

Thank you l DryIce l.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 29 juin 2011 - 11:30 .

[Thargorichiban]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Even when extinction is staring them in the face?

Apparently.

That's interesting, since Legion states that the Geth want to understand organics without inciting them.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

I Rewrited them, so I obviously know that it's possible to force some ideas at Geth.

So you're a hypocrite then.

Just so you know, you're not any better.

[Thompson family]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Forum: I like blue.
Saphra: I like red and anyone who likes blue is wrong.
Forum: I like Puppies.
Saphra: Puppies are stupid! Cats are where it's at!

Anyone notice a pattern?

Oh yeah. It's pretty obvious. However, it's not bad mental exercise.

Besides, has anybody ever changed anyone else's mind on this forum? I don't think it's happened yet.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm going to sum up the opposing opinions on this thread.

Saphra: Geth are not sentient no matter what the codex says!
Others: *semi-logical arguments*
Saphra: Please you are all sooooo naive.
Me: Ah I love the sight of pointless debate in the afternoon.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Thompson family wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Forum: I like blue.
Saphra: I like red and anyone who likes blue is wrong.
Forum: I like Puppies.
Saphra: Puppies are stupid! Cats are where it's at!

Anyone notice a pattern?

Oh yeah. It's pretty obvious. However, it's not bad mental exercise.

Besides, has anybody ever changed anyone else's mind on this forum? I don't think it's happened yet.

I used to dislike Jacob.
But because of mrsph I have changed my opinion from "dislike" to "mild apathy"

[Thargorichiban]

Thompson family wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Forum: I like blue.
Saphra: I like red and anyone who likes blue is wrong.
Forum: I like Puppies.
Saphra: Puppies are stupid! Cats are where it's at!

Anyone notice a pattern?

Oh yeah. It's pretty obvious. However, it's not bad mental exercise.

Besides, has anybody ever changed anyone else's mind on this forum? I don't think it's happened yet.

I think that would be an Internet first on any forum. Heck, you'd probably get a special national holiday declared in your name if you managed it.

Your next stop would be to finally finish that pesky diplomatic situation in the Middle-East for desert.

[mauro2222]

I dont see them different to us, we are made of organic materials, they are made of synthetic materials, we have electric bio-quimical processor called brain, they have a electric synthetic processor called cpu, we have micro life called neurons (in they whole extent, they are the ones who make decisions), they have micro synthetic life called programs (in they whole extent, they are the ones who make decisions). Our entire body as we know it is a mobile platform of organic life, the geth as we know them are mobile platforms of synthetic life.

[l DryIce l]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

As Legion said. "Shepard fought the Heretics. Shepard fought the old machines (Reapers). You have a perspective we lack."

Which indicates they are only interested in Shepard because they want information about their enemies. They are clearly not interested in improving relations with organics. They don't want to negotiate.

Oh, for the love of calibrations. Now you think Legion is this undercover, James Bond Geth that's just trying to get information about their "enemy": the fleshy, organic humans. You realize that Legion helps Shepard. Helps. Shepard. Legion - The Geth. Helps. Shepard. He also talks to Shepard. Answers questions. Dances. 

No, wait. What am I thinking. I am indeed crazy. The Geth are just robots and we should kill them because the Quarians need their homeworld back. It doesn't matter that the Geth can reason and form opinions, because they're just pretending that they're thinking and reasoning, when in reality they're just running programs.  

[Images]

Saphra Deden wrote...
a single friendly geth.

Single friendly geth PLATFORM


Seriously, just put some C4 on each flotilla vessel and bye bye space gypsies. The volus can have the scrap metal rights.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Even when extinction is staring them in the face?

Apparently.

OK. So now the Geth don't even have a self-preservation instinct or programming?

Several pages ago, you insisted they did have one built into their programming, and that explained why they rebelled against the Quarians even though they were just programs.

[Medhia Nox]

@mauro2222 - and what I'd like to ask you specifically is. In your philosophy - does sentience have a greater value than life? Not all life is sentient (though some definitions of sentience include animal life).

Sentience holds no intrinsic value to me. Rather, it has no value that trumps the underscored nature of all that we have deemed capable of sentience. "Living" things are the only "entities" capable of any form of sentience (given the varied definitions).

Suggestion that a toaster might share it's feelings on burnt bread with me one day is a fun hypothetical - but given my value on sentience vs. life - I would choose life any time.

Anthropomorphizing the Geth's ability to imitate biological sentience (the only one we know to exist in reality) would be like saying that "The Mountain feels angry, see how it throws forth smoke and lava - we must give reverence to the mountain!"

I believe Legion would agree. He does not have any reverence for the Reapers and he admonishes Shepard for giving the Reapers just a "fearful" name... and thereby reverence and awe. He tells Shepard that the non-Heretic Geth call them "Old Machines" - you know what "I" call an old machine? The neighbor's car that's been on cinder blocks for the last ten years.

The Geth do not believe the Reapers to have any "value" - and think organics are foolish for this distinction (at least according to Legion). The same ought to be considered about the Geth, as the Geth would consider it about themselves.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 29 juin 2011 - 11:36 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

l DryIce l wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

As Legion said. "Shepard fought the Heretics. Shepard fought the old machines (Reapers). You have a perspective we lack."

Which indicates they are only interested in Shepard because they want information about their enemies. They are clearly not interested in improving relations with organics. They don't want to negotiate.

Oh, for the love of calibrations. Now you think Legion is this undercover, James Bond Geth that's just trying to get information about their "enemy": the fleshy, organic humans. You realize that Legion helps Shepard. Helps. Shepard. Legion - The Geth. Helps. Shepard. He also talks to Shepard. Answers questions. Dances. 

No, wait. What am I thinking. I am indeed crazy. The Geth are just robots and we should kill them because the Quarians need their homeworld back. It doesn't matter that the Geth can reason and form opinions, because they're just pretending that they're thinking and reasoning, when in reality they're just running programs.  

Next thing you know agent 00Geth will be seducing Shepard....wait.....
...that's awesome....

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Shepard isn't the government. If they want to talk they need to approach actual leaders of the various governments around the galaxy. To date they haven't even attempted this.

You want to know why?

[Thompson family]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Besides, has anybody ever changed anyone else's mind on this forum? I don't think it's happened yet.

I think that would be an Internet first on any forum. Heck, you'd probably get a special national holiday declared in your name if you managed it.

Your next stop would be to finally finish that pesky diplomatic situation in the Middle-East for desert.

I used to have a cartoon at my desk:

Wife: Honey, when are you coming to bed?

Husband, hunched over his keyboard and staring intently into his screen: "Not yet. Somebody's wrong on the Internet."

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Here's an idea: Try talking to organics isntead of shooting them on sight. Don't allow your more violent brethren to be your only ambassadors to the rest of the galaxy.

On top of being unfriendly the geth are just stupid.

How do you think Legion got that hole in his chest?

[l DryIce l]

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Oh, for the love of calibrations. Now you think Legion is this undercover, James Bond Geth that's just trying to get information about their "enemy": the fleshy, organic humans.

No, I refering to the Heretics/Reapers as is implied by Legion's own dialogue.

 Why would he talk to Shepard to learn more about them? The Geth aren't getting information about their enemies from Shepard. Shepard's getting information from the Geth. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

l DryIce l wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Oh, for the love of calibrations. Now you think Legion is this undercover, James Bond Geth that's just trying to get information about their "enemy": the fleshy, organic humans.

No, I refering to the Heretics/Reapers as is implied by Legion's own dialogue.

 Why would he talk to Shepard to learn more about them? The Geth aren't getting information about their enemies from Shepard. Shepard's getting information from the Geth. 

Stop trying I Drylce I Saphra doesn't care about your counter arguments.

[Thompson family]

l DryIce l wrote...

Oh, for the love of calibrations. Now you think Legion is this undercover, James Bond Geth that's just trying to get information about their "enemy": the fleshy, organic humans.

You know, that's not the least intriguing idea I've ever heard on this forum.

Where's a cartoonist or photo shop whiz when you need one?

"My name's Geth. Legion Geth." And EDI as a Bond girl.