i admit i enjoy killing anders every bit..i find him to be one of the most one-dimensional characters in a game ever and he deserves death for becoming a mindless killer BUT plotwise he is supposed to be with you and your companions for about 7 years.he even formed a friendship with varrick and i didnt consider the rivalry between him and fenris a big deal.however after you killed him your companions do not even react to his death..how badly written that part was rly?opinions?
Reaction to anders death
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Posté 29 juin 2011 - 11:03
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I believe Sebastian does a happy dance. I can't confirm this though as my Hawke's always run off into the sunset with Anders.
Or I could be v serious and suggest that maybe at that point everyone is in a bit of shock and rather distracted by Kirkwall combusting around their ears.
Or I could be v serious and suggest that maybe at that point everyone is in a bit of shock and rather distracted by Kirkwall combusting around their ears.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 07:06
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It does seem kind of artificial now that you mention it... but to be fair, there are some instances where Varric and Anders' banter suggests that he was distancing himself from the "group" as time went on. That and the fact that he constantly insulted Isabela, Aveline, Merril, Fenris, and Sebastian. Maliciously so. They probably didn't miss him all that much. Hell, I'm kind of surprised an argument didn't break out over who'd get the honor of finishing him off.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 07:13
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I kind of got the impression the party never really trusted Anders that much, especially with Varric's dialogue confronting you about it if you romanced him. I think they always kind of felt like he was a ticking timebomb waiting to go off, so they probably kept their distance from him.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 11:46
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Fidget6 wrote...
I think they always kind of felt like he was a ticking timebomb waiting to go off, so they probably kept their distance from him.
Anders was a Walking Bomb! Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 11:53
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Varric confronts you about anyone you romance. The fact that it previously only fired when the PC romanced Anders was a bug that has since been fixed.
Anders never dies in my games, so no need for any reaction at all. It is strange that no one says anything in the games of more bloodthirsty players, though. If you kick Anders out of the party after Dissent, Varric tells you that Anders remains friends with Isabela and himself.
Hawke: Why was Anders here?
Varric: He drops by sometimes. He loses at cards to Isabela and I buy him drinks.
And I would imagine Merrill would react to his death. As antagonistic as he is toward her, it's more of a rivalry than an outright hatred. He seems to care about her, and does not want her to wind up as an abomination. She seems genuinely pleased when Anders is happy, too. That doesn't sound like mutual antipathy to me.
Anders never dies in my games, so no need for any reaction at all. It is strange that no one says anything in the games of more bloodthirsty players, though. If you kick Anders out of the party after Dissent, Varric tells you that Anders remains friends with Isabela and himself.
Hawke: Why was Anders here?
Varric: He drops by sometimes. He loses at cards to Isabela and I buy him drinks.
And I would imagine Merrill would react to his death. As antagonistic as he is toward her, it's more of a rivalry than an outright hatred. He seems to care about her, and does not want her to wind up as an abomination. She seems genuinely pleased when Anders is happy, too. That doesn't sound like mutual antipathy to me.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 12:16
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I find Anders to be very likeable, so I've never killed him.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 01:12
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The Varric thing is a bug considering Anders was supposed to go into hiding.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 01:19
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I didn't kill him; Hawke's killed more people throughout the game then the people who were in the Chantry that night.
If Hawke kills him, that Hawke is a very big hypocrite, same with Sebastian (who wanted to murder to murderers of his family and condemns Anders.)
If Hawke kills him, that Hawke is a very big hypocrite, same with Sebastian (who wanted to murder to murderers of his family and condemns Anders.)
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 01:23
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Chiramu wrote...
I didn't kill him; Hawke's killed more people throughout the game then the people who were in the Chantry that night.
If Hawke kills him, that Hawke is a very big hypocrite, same with Sebastian (who wanted to murder to murderers of his family and condemns Anders.)
Killing people who are swarming you to kill you (I.E. self defense) isn't remotely the same thing as blowing up a church with innocent people.
That doesn't make Hawke a hypocrite. Not in the least.
And neither is Sebastian.
Seb ordered a hit on a group of thugs that kiled his family, not the bravest thing but him getting angry at Anders for blowing up the Chantry isn't hypocritical.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juin 2011 - 01:29 .
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 01:44
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I wanted to kill him. I really did. But dammit, I needed the healer and didn't want to loose any more party members. Especially when I managed to loose Isabella and then Fenris turned on me.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 01:56
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Anders has probably saved more lives over the course of his time in Kirkwall than were lost in the Chantry explosion. Not that it's a zero-sum game, but he's not a mindless killer by any stretch of the imagination and he probably contributes to the well-being of Kirkwall more than anyone in your party, outside of Aveline.
Anyway, not a defense of Anders thread. The same thing happened in DAO. You could kill off Leliana. Wynne, Shale and Alistair and nobody mentions them dying. Hell, Alistair cab sacrifice himself to save the world and the only person the Warden can even talk about it with is Wynne, and then it's just a passing
and move on.
Anyway, not a defense of Anders thread. The same thing happened in DAO. You could kill off Leliana. Wynne, Shale and Alistair and nobody mentions them dying. Hell, Alistair cab sacrifice himself to save the world and the only person the Warden can even talk about it with is Wynne, and then it's just a passing
and move on.
Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 juin 2011 - 01:58 .
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 02:26
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I have played it both ways, currently doing a complete hypocrite of a Hawke. Don't trust a Kadeth Hawke - he's an apostate who is going to kill Anders and Side with the Templars. That is the fun of a game, you can do as you like, even if it is insane 
Personally I have always (even in Awakenings) found Anders a bit too stuck on the past and his hatred of the circle and Templars. He can't just move on and let the past stay where it belongs.
Personally I have always (even in Awakenings) found Anders a bit too stuck on the past and his hatred of the circle and Templars. He can't just move on and let the past stay where it belongs.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 03:40
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DarkAmaranth1966 wrote...
Personally I have always (even in Awakenings) found Anders a bit too stuck on the past and his hatred of the circle and Templars. He can't just move on and let the past stay where it belongs.
I think that, with the Wardens and a WC who supported him, it was clear that he might have been able to move past it. But, according to the short story by Jennifer Hepler, he wasn't even safe from the templars in the Wardens, as they allowed one to join to keep him in line.
And his anger isn't over one thing that was done to him years ago, it's over an ongoing system of oppression and abuse.
*repeats to self "not a defense of Anders thread"*
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 03:57
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Surely, every thread where Anders is unfairly attacked is a defense of Anders thread.
Anders: he's not perfect, but he's also not all bad. Shades of grey, people!
Anders: he's not perfect, but he's also not all bad. Shades of grey, people!
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:04
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You don't know what that word means.astreqwerty wrote...
one-dimensional
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:08
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Nothing. I never kill him. I wanted to backstab that selfish Sebastian though. I still WANT to backstab him. Please BioWare, allow us to kill him off... 
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:09
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Hawke and Seb never killed inocent people, well my Hawke did not. Anders blew up a chantry filled with templars, grand cleric, priest and inocent people. Those deaths deserve justice, justice is Anders romancing a murder knife.Chiramu wrote...
I didn't kill him; Hawke's killed more people throughout the game then the people who were in the Chantry that night.
If Hawke kills him, that Hawke is a very big hypocrite, same with Sebastian (who wanted to murder to murderers of his family and condemns Anders.)
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:19
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With the new patch I now always side with the templars and force him to defy everything he stood up for all these years. A more fitting punishment than giving him the death he wants.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:29
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FJVP wrote...
With the new patch I now always side with the templars and force him to defy everything he stood up for all these years. A more fitting punishment than giving him the death he wants.
Except that's more innocents being condemned to death to punish someone for, oestensibly, killing innocents.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:31
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Teddie Sage wrote...
Nothing. I never kill him. I wanted to backstab that selfish Sebastian though. I still WANT to backstab him. Please BioWare, allow us to kill him off...
While I agree with you about C-Bass (worthless character imo), Anders was also irritating. If I had the option, I never would have seen Anders after getting the maps for the Deep Roads Expedition. It sucks that the game forces you to around him as much as it does, with the frequent check-ins and what-not. It sucks even more that when he starts to go all crazy on you and goes on about distracting the Grand Cleric that you can't just bust his sorry butt and stop "Justice" from ever happening.
The death or not of Anders is fairly irrelevent after the fact, as he expects to die, and the atrocity already happened. You are powerless to do anything other than execute an admitted terrorist who doesn't even expect mercy.
Unfortunately, as unless you are a mage he is your only Healer for 2/3 of the game, it's a tough sell to leave him home on the harder difficulties.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:41
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SurelyForth wrote...
FJVP wrote...
With the new patch I now always side with the templars and force him to defy everything he stood up for all these years. A more fitting punishment than giving him the death he wants.
Except that's more innocents being condemned to death to punish someone for, oestensibly, killing innocents.
Does it really matter? It always ends the same way anyway, siding with the mages only allows you to save a few more of them. And I don't care about them, just as Anders doesn't care about them either.
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:43
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When my spirit healer offed him it was sad. The flop over animation made me raise my eyebrows, but then he sort of had a peaceful look on his face that almost made up for it. Here's hoping that Justice rose from his corpse.. and that Vengeance won't be like "well here's a suitable host! one that won't fight back!" Guess we'll find out in a codex entry in DA3
Edit to add: That's the only one out of 5 Hawkes to kill him. I have saves of all the different endings just for DA3 and well, for science!
Edit to add: That's the only one out of 5 Hawkes to kill him. I have saves of all the different endings just for DA3 and well, for science!
Modifié par ashyraine, 30 juin 2011 - 05:00 .
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:47
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EDIT: never mind.
Modifié par Vit246, 30 juin 2011 - 04:49 .
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Posté 30 juin 2011 - 04:57
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I'd agree that killing him is justice. He says as much himself, during a banter with Isabella. It's also vengeance. In Awakenings, Justice says that atonement is an acceptable way to make up for your crimes, things like Velanna killing humans without cause. It's only as Vengeance that he loses touch with the idea of justice that is combined with mercy.
If you side with the mages, not killing him is mercy. That's the question... are you willing to prioritize vengeance over mercy? Are you willing to make the simple, easy, violent decision, and kill him, as he would do to someone he saw as having committed a similar injustice?
If you side with the templars, I think it is more merciful to kill him then. You've already decided that vengeance is preferable to mercy in this case, even vengeance upon the blameless.
If you side with the mages, not killing him is mercy. That's the question... are you willing to prioritize vengeance over mercy? Are you willing to make the simple, easy, violent decision, and kill him, as he would do to someone he saw as having committed a similar injustice?
If you side with the templars, I think it is more merciful to kill him then. You've already decided that vengeance is preferable to mercy in this case, even vengeance upon the blameless.
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 30 juin 2011 - 04:58 .
