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[Rifneno]

FieryDove wrote...

If that is true why didn't he kill Hawke and the other companions everytime Anders lit up like a christmas tree?

I've always wondered about that, from the short story that was written before the game came out as character intro's, why didn't Justice kill everything in the room as well? It couldn't have been Anders holding Justice back because Anders is gone when this is going on, he loses all control when its time to glow.

The last time I tried to make sense out of DA2's story I spent a week in the hospital.

maxernst wrote...

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and forced to work.

Templars are arguably slaves, since lyrium addiction is used to force them to labor. It's not classical chattel slavery, but it's forced labor.

Clearly Hubert is a slaver because he's the only one who will hire Ferelden refugees. They HAVE to work for him! Let's expand this even. Did you know hospital personnel like doctors and nurses are not allowed to call off if there isn't enough staff? By law. My mother was a nurse, used to have to go to work sick all the time because they weren't accepting call offs. Totally slavery.

Templars are not slaves. I won't even argue that mages are because it's a subjective definition and an unusual circumstance. Templars are sure as hell not.

[_Aine_]

I *did* find Anders kind of flat, for various reasons, but my character wasn't. So, needless to say, I wasn't that impressed with his death (the time I did choose it *only once*)

Why?

Exactly the reason you stated. It was cold, robotic and without any emotion. It was unexplained and unresponsive. Bam, murder knife, dead. Move on. This *despite* 7 years of history.

Unrealistic, in my opinion. And one reason I don't kill him anymore. Rationally I say it is because I won't martyr him, truthfully it is because that end doesn't do the game any sort of justice at all ( no pun intended).

There should have been options, dependent on romance status, or just in general, to show some sort of *difficulty* with the act. It forced my character to be cold, and I disliked being forced into something my character may not have been feeling. It wasn't even a vague area where the emotion could happily reside within depending on character, it was cold and that was that.

*That* was a disappointment for the playthrough that did it, because it couldn't fit her personality and history with him, no matter how hard I tried.

[Marduksdragon]

Rifneno wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

If that is true why didn't he kill Hawke and the other companions everytime Anders lit up like a christmas tree?

I've always wondered about that, from the short story that was written before the game came out as character intro's, why didn't Justice kill everything in the room as well? It couldn't have been Anders holding Justice back because Anders is gone when this is going on, he loses all control when its time to glow.

The last time I tried to make sense out of DA2's story I spent a week in the hospital.

maxernst wrote...

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and forced to work.

Templars are arguably slaves, since lyrium addiction is used to force them to labor. It's not classical chattel slavery, but it's forced labor.

Clearly Hubert is a slaver because he's the only one who will hire Ferelden refugees. They HAVE to work for him! Let's expand this even. Did you know hospital personnel like doctors and nurses are not allowed to call off if there isn't enough staff? By law. My mother was a nurse, used to have to go to work sick all the time because they weren't accepting call offs. Totally slavery.

Templars are not slaves. I won't even argue that mages are because it's a subjective definition and an unusual circumstance. Templars are sure as hell not.

Is your mother threatened with violence or bodily harm if she will not comply? Is she hung and her body put on display is she disobeys? Is she given a mind altering substance to make her obey? Did Hubert threaten those men with violence or bodily harm to make them comply or did he offer them work and coin? I know he didn't have the money to put them on drugs... No on all counts.

The Templars are slaves.
The mages are slaves.
The Fereldans had one guy that was kind of a jerk but gave them jobs.
Your mom is pretty cool for being a nurse.

[maxernst]

Rifneno wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and forced to work.

Templars are arguably slaves, since lyrium addiction is used to force them to labor. It's not classical chattel slavery, but it's forced labor.

Clearly Hubert is a slaver because he's the only one who will hire Ferelden refugees. They HAVE to work for him! Let's expand this even. Did you know hospital personnel like doctors and nurses are not allowed to call off if there isn't enough staff? By law. My mother was a nurse, used to have to go to work sick all the time because they weren't accepting call offs. Totally slavery.

Templars are not slaves. I won't even argue that mages are because it's a subjective definition and an unusual circumstance. Templars are sure as hell not.

First of all, Hubert is not the only one who will hire Ferelden refugees.  Other people hire Hawke and Aveline.  Nor are they forced to work for him.  They can choose not to work and beg or steal or become prosititutes for a living, or simply leave Kirkwall.  Templars aren't allowed to leave the order, even before they've taken their vows (Alistair being an exception only because of the rite of conscription).  And there's no reason to assume that they even chose to be Templars to begin with.  Alistair was given to the chantry as a child.  What do you suppose the chantry does with the children of mages?

Your mother can quit.  Your mother can take another job.  The hospital presumably does not have a policy of supplying its staff with morphine so that they will become addicts. 

Modifié par maxernst, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:07 .

[Tails_Night]

Well I guess one can only be so bi polar before everyone else stops caring and I think anders hit that sp;ot with ease. Oh yeah lets go for a sunny walk *insert demonic voice and troll face * Grugh TEMPLARS!!!! Hawke: Anders calm down boy, sit!!!! Anders," oh yeah thats right lovely picnic hahahahaha"
(I'd personally run from him while he's next to a virulent walking bomb after dealing with that for so long)

[Gibb_Shepard]

It annoys me that if you keep Anders alive he automatically thinks you believe he did the right thing, and you can't say otherwise. The only reason i kept him alive was because i knew he would be of help in defending the mages, and i wasn't just going to let him die after starting this massive conflict; he needed to work to resolve it.

But the only choices i got was to be a kiss ass to him, call him a "sweety" or act like a mage set on revolt. It annoyed me.

Not quite sure exactly what this has to do with this topic, but i saw Anders in the title, so i thought i'd get that off my chest here.

[Marduksdragon]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

It annoys me that if you keep Anders alive he automatically thinks you believe he did the right thing, and you can't say otherwise. The only reason i kept him alive was because i knew he would be of help in defending the mages, and i wasn't just going to let him die after starting this massive conflict; he needed to work to resolve it.

But the only choices i got was to be a kiss ass to him, call him a "sweety" or act like a mage set on revolt. It annoyed me.

Not quite sure exactly what this has to do with this topic, but i saw Anders in the title, so i thought i'd get that off my chest here.

You're good, this is reactions to Anders' death but we've had several digressions that didn't harm much.