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[Reynen Starfyre]

DLAN_Immortality wrote...

http://accounts.biow...LAN_Immortality
DLAN_Immortality
Joined: 08 Oct 2002
Last Active: 11 Dec 2009

Oops. :-)

Since you're asking for my advise. I'd tell you there is hosting that's not too expensive. Yes, you'd need to pay out of your own pocket (no, I won't help you :-) ) but that's of course depending on how far you want to go into it.

As said, you can't expect anybody to register a site when they are not getting any palpable gain. You are competing against Nexus and Bioware, as long as you keep people OUT by either restricting content or insulting people with criticism, you'll have a problem.

Anyways, I'll be happy to continue this discussion via PM, you may find I'm not so full of BS in the end and I know a thing or two about communities :-) besides, my mod is broken and I'm waiting for halp, until then I have time to discuss anything. :-D

Well as I said it gives a different date.  Why I don't know.  I really don't want to fight about this either, but I feel absolutely compelled to dispell any untruth or misconseptions.

Touching on your comment though, currently compared to nexus and social site, we have more quality mods and more tutorials then both of them.  I am not keeping peple out which I why I don't understand WHY you are saying this????

Also not to sound pompuss, but if your having trouble with your mod why don't you ask me for help.  Right now I am one of the best modders in the community.  Currently I've designed a mod that does

1: Has 4 additional classes (2 already working)
2: 4 new backgrounds stories (already have settings / lands for them)
3: New conversations / plots / and cutscenes for them
4: Over 192 new abilities (48 per class and working)
5: Changed physics of the animations and combat environment
6: Adds WORKING custom morph (no more half human / morph shapes)
7: New music, new voices
8: Allows flying
9: Additional Races

That's just a few of the changes, and it's already in beta
The initial file size for the whole mod is about 100MB

Modifié par Reynen Starfyre, 11 décembre 2009 - 11:02 .

[Reynen Starfyre]

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

well I have checked your site out and find it lacking from a few different viewpoints VS DANexus Nexus is much easier to move around and you can view all the files by image to see what they look like before downloading plus you dont have to register although I have and I find it much larger than yours so to say you are the Leading site leaves me wondering why you would be trolling for more people to post. If your the best or the leading site everyone else would be telling people to post. Nexus gets way more word of mouth marketing because it just is better but that is my opinion and only offer it in an attempt to explain my preferences for mods and downloads.

[sigh] why do people not think logically?  Do you realize how long ago this thread was started?

1: We were the FIRST mod site dedicated to dragon age
2: DA nexus DID NOT EVEN EXIST THEN, they started on Nov 16.
3: When da nexus started we already had several thousand users and almost 100 mods.
4: Also ...AGAIN, Nexus DOES REQUIRE YOU TO REGISTER TO DOWNLOAD. 
Look at the following, WHEN YOU ARE LOGGED OUT OF NEXUS

http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=221

The only reason da nexus has a leg up is it is a PART OF TES / FA3, and he included all his users into the site.
My God why do I have to post this OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN...
Lead is thin compared to some of these people!!!

Modifié par Reynen Starfyre, 11 décembre 2009 - 11:12 .

[hunharibo]

*sits back, puts some popcorn in the microwave*

finally some drama, i was missing it already

[BryanDerksen]

Let's not have too much of it, though. As much as I'd like to see the social site become an all-you-can-eat one-stop-shopping destination for all things Dragon Age, I see nothing really fundamentally wrong with the idea of having competition. Keeps us on our toes and helps fill in for our failings when we stumble.

[TheGreenLion]

Well this post has pretty much lost it's luster, after 19 days of silence you came back to bag on the posters of this community for rejecting your site in favor of this site and/or Nexus. Posting this in the first place is not wrong but "stoking the coals" and recently bumping this post back to the top is wrong.

People have brains and when looking for mods or tutorials etc. both of your sites and more pop up, they will choose the one they like. If people don't like how you do things, you don't need to go being inconsiderate and argue with these posters...that's behavior I would not expect from a site owner.

Modifié par TheGreenLion, 11 décembre 2009 - 11:52 .

[Reynen Starfyre]

My points are now made, I'm done arguing....it's nice to see the good post from Bryan, I feel much better. I'm just going to focus on redoing the mods that were affected the latest patches and toolset. Glad to see the updates but it means alot more work. 

As far as I'm concered they can even delete this thread.

Modifié par Reynen Starfyre, 11 décembre 2009 - 11:45 .

[Vagrant0]

For the record...
http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=221
Requires people to log in because it is flagged as adult content. The file is also larger than 2mb, so the download request is sent to a secondary server that requires validation (mostly for premium servers and limiting direct download abuse).

Something that isn't adult content, and has a smaller filesize however is treated differently, and can be downloaded without a membership. DAModder for example:
http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=286

That said, membership (at either site) has additional privileges in being able to rate, comment, or seek support for those mods, something that might be difficult in other places due to the currently fractured community.

It's fine if you want to be hostile and continue with this drama, that's certainly up to you, but please have your facts right beforehand. Good luck with your site, it's unfortunate that you have such a bad view of the situation and seemingly refuse to cooperate with other sites, but that's also your choice.

As far as the tutorial argument goes, yes, the wiki is probably the best place for something like that, however the wiki is not always the easiest way to find the answers you want, in a way that you can understand. The wiki also requires logging in to view, so  only serves to help those who were able to register for this site. Compared to a blogsite or a community site where those tutorials can be seen by anyone, the wiki only succeeds in excluding people from learning or participating. As mentioned, community sites also allow people to ask questions, which can either be answered directly or linked to a tutorial on an external site. In this manner as well, smaller communities have a slightly greater advantage since posts which request for help aren't pushed to back as quickly. Also, you can never stop people from just wanting to post their own information so as to have credit for figuring it out or having complete control of that content.

Modifié par Vagrant0, 12 décembre 2009 - 04:13 .

[Blueskys]

I am a member of all 3 sites, this, Nexus, and Damods, since when does one have to compete with another? There is good stuff on all of them, my problem on this site is not being able to seach and find things, but i still browse here. Nexus has downloads, and Damods has great tutorials and mods as well. and they are helpful. There is nothing wrong with registering at a site, takes a second, and its nice to be able to post and get to know the community. I like options, so having more than one site is great! Lighten up some, and be glad there are fans out there to take the time to do a website.

[Mitch-]

I think ill stick with DA nexus.

[Malignpariah]

I used damods.com when Dragon Age first came out. It was a decent site, but once I found dragonagenexus I preferred it much more. After reading this thread though, I have no desire to ever use damods again. Seeing the owner of a site come on to another forum and have a temper tantrum, name calling and the like does not give me much confidence in that site's future.

[xcorps]

Malignpariah wrote...

I used damods.com when Dragon Age first came out. It was a decent site, but once I found dragonagenexus I preferred it much more. After reading this thread though, I have no desire to ever use damods again. Seeing the owner of a site come on to another forum and have a temper tantrum, name calling and the like does not give me much confidence in that site's future.

It would have been much more pleasant if he had simply said at the beginning, "yeah, sorry for forcing a login just to browse, but I was forced to do that in order to protect the site".

Instead we get non sensical rants, incoherent uninformed flames, and bragging.

Great Job OP. 

[giskard44]

A little word of support for Reynen.

I met Reynen Starfyre 7 years ago in the freelancer community, He ran Dragonfrye studios in a community that turned from friendly to hostile over time. More mods meant more trolls.  He established a team, produced one of the largest mods in that community, became the target of many trolls, defended him self against the idiots as I do frequently.

Reynen is a reasonable guy, but like me, he will defend his position if pushed.

7 years is a long time in the modding world and I have no idea how long he was modding before I met him. But I can tell you this for a fact. Reynen knows what modders need to make mods because he is one and has been one for a long long time. He knows what teams need to make mods because he has lead teams before and he knows what site needs because he has admined one.

I know this because I have been a competitor of his before and it appears I am a competitor now.
But I know him well enought to know any site he runs will be worth my support so you will see me there later on.

This all assumes there is no other Reynen Starfrye making mods on the PC
The names pretty unique, never seen anybody else using it EVER,

Modifié par giskard44, 12 décembre 2009 - 11:15 .

[JJM152]

I don't want to actively discourage people from starting/participating in 3rd party "mod communities", but I am making a conscious decision to support the social site. It's pretty good for a first attempt at this sort of thing and I'm willing to bet that it's only going to get better.

[Phaenan]

giskard44 wrote...
Reynen is a reasonable guy, but like me, he will defend his position if pushed.

Aye, one can smell the wisdom off him just by reading how calm and non-aggressive his promotional messages are. And that composed air one can feel in his nexus topic on this matter, man, just feel that collected and smooth talk. Painting himself as the poor victim rightfully defending himself, wah. That's good. Not original at all, tho, it's quite the battered rhetoric method. If only there were not insults and scornful comments in every sentence, that could well work...

Seriously, he's such a nice fellow and an obviously reasonable guy that with only his very first sassy post he made sure I'd never post any of my work on his site. And I will check from time to time to make sure he don't just upload it without my permission, as he did for some other mods (ex: Werikk's respec) in the past. Cause, I mean, anything goes, why would he ask for some author for permission beforehand huh... Surely a gorgeous and genious modder such as he doesn't have need for common courtesy.

Modifié par Phaenan, 12 décembre 2009 - 12:03 .

[The Demonologist]

Goodness. There was alot of anger from Reynen in here.



Now, generally, I'm the type to avoid this kindo f thing, but you really gotta relax, bud.

[ModWriter]

If the social site will be a bit more comfortable, i don't need other sites (expect in my motherlanguage)...



Anyway nice site have you...

[Astorax]

Wow, you wander away from a thread for TWO SECONDS...



I posted this over at the Nexus forums to explain since folks where getting...flamey over there in regards to my ill-thought out post.



"I did post in harsher terms than I meant. Selfish was, as DarkOne said, a poor choice of words. We're all human.



For those attacking me as a "noob mod" you should try it sometime. It's a lot of fun, I promise.



To set the record straight on a couple points...



First of all, neither I, nor any mod, nor any developer have edited out links to this, or any other fan site of DA. The person that said that we have been is either mistaken, or purposefully attempting to make us look bad for whatever reason. If there's hard links to such behaviour, please let me or another mod know on the site (preferrably multiple because if someone IS doing it we need to crack down on it) immediately. We have a policy of not doing that, so if someone is, we need to know about it.



As for the selfish comment...what I meant was that spreading wikis and tutorials around makes it HARDER for people to actually find what they want and get going. The reasoning behind it is this: If you say, have new user tutorials in one place, then people don't feel as much of a need to repost and/or post new tutorials in another place. So now to find the new tutorials, they have one place to go for them. Then if they're past that point, and want to learn about conversations, they have another place to go...possibly more. Then if they find said conversation tutorial in one place, then they may have to go to yet another place to find a tutorial on face morphs.



Are we getting the idea?



I'm ALL for having separate places for mods, etc, wherever they want to be for any reason because you're not gating information by having mods in various places. By putting wikis and tutorials up however, you're actually making it more difficult to find any one piece of information you're looking for. That's what I'm trying to avoid. The social site already has a very extensive wiki that's updated by the developers themselves (when they have time to), so it makes sense that their wiki becomes the place folks go to find tutorials and stuff of that nature. I wasn't trying to make light of anything done here (I have a lot of respect for DarkOne specifically running this place, I know how much effort it takes to run a site like this).



I clearly misused words in that post. Funny, I'm a human being just like the rest of you. For that I apologize (the words, not the human part)."

[Astorax]

I should ammend my editing links statement...if a link leads to malware, kelogging, inappropriate content (pron) or a crack for the game in any way, then yes, we'll edit the link...but just to another site? yeah no.

[TheGreenLion]

Astorax wrote...

As for the selfish comment...what I meant was that spreading wikis and tutorials around makes it HARDER for people to actually find what they want and get going. The reasoning behind it is this: If you say, have new user tutorials in one place, then people don't feel as much of a need to repost and/or post new tutorials in another place. So now to find the new tutorials, they have one place to go for them. Then if they're past that point, and want to learn about conversations, they have another place to go...possibly more. Then if they find said conversation tutorial in one place, then they may have to go to yet another place to find a tutorial on face morphs.

Well, if you look at it as a business person who owns the site you'd rather have people looking at your site for all info regarding their topic in question than some other site...the bigger your "registered" list is, the better. Unfortunately you just can't get them to give up all of their tutorials or anything that is a large source of information because it makes sense to keep as much info as you can as an owner to cover your costs at the very least by funneling in more info/users.

Honestly I think I used an item tutorial from damods, several wiki tutorials (some of which were confusing, lol) and mostly SilentCid's videos. Downloads: Here, Winter Forge and a few others I'm sure. Nexus, started with TES Nexus so I find it familiar and no re-registration...it's a small thing to register but sometimes, I just don't want to have to fill in a new form and can generally find what I want faster when skipping the time to fill in a registration form.

So yeah apart from making things harder to find for "the little guy",  it's better for business the other way around.

Modifié par TheGreenLion, 12 décembre 2009 - 05:50 .

[xcorps]

Re Astorax:



I think your comments were twisted quite deliberately. Reminds me of a tantrum. I don't think you or anyone else (with the exception of the "reasonable guy") owes an explanation or apology, except to refute false claims.



I don't really care one way or the other about who puts what content where, but for someone to react in such a volatile manner on TWO seperate unrelated forums is kind of entertaining, in a "can't stop from looking at the car wreck" way.

[FalloutBoy]

The dude is a drama queen. Just let it go. He'll fade away soon enough. You can always tell who is in it for fun and who is in it for their ego.

Astorax, you shouldn't respond to this kind of garbage. There is nothing you can say that won't be spun negatively by EA haters.

Modifié par FalloutBoy, 12 décembre 2009 - 07:32 .

[ladydesire]

TheGreenLion wrote...

So yeah apart from making things harder to find for "the little guy",  it's better for business the other way around.

Considering that the DA toolset wiki is pretty nearly a mouse click away via the toolset help menu, having stuff scattered around the internet is hard to accept; thankfully, some nice people have posted links to externally hosted tutorials on the toolset wiki so it's not as much of a problem as it could be. And, I believe that it's no longer required that you log in to view the wiki, just like how other wikis work.

[georage]

Well said.



But what is the protocol when other sites take our mods from this site and post on their site? I would prefer that did not happen but fear it will.

[ladydesire]

georage wrote...

Well said.

But what is the protocol when other sites take our mods from this site and post on their site? I would prefer that did not happen but fear it will.

If you find something you created on another site, contact the moderators there and have them remove it; providing proof that it's there without your consent might be difficult, but unless the person that put it there can prove you did give permission to post it, the moderators on other sites should take your word over the other person's.

[FalloutBoy]

georage wrote...

Well said.

But what is the protocol when other sites take our mods from this site and post on their site? I would prefer that did not happen but fear it will.

Honestly? Let em. Saves me the trouble and gets more exposure for the mod. Put an sign at the beginning of the module that thanks people for playing and tells them where they should be downloading from to get the latest version.

Modifié par FalloutBoy, 12 décembre 2009 - 08:05 .