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[Dark0ne-]

But what is the protocol when other sites take our mods from this site and post on their site? I would prefer that did not happen but fear it will.

For Nexus; get in contact with a moderator or admin letting them know it's yours and there without permission. We definately don't condone uploading other people's work without their permission and call on every member to report any files that they think have been uploaded without permission.

As a modder just make sure you package your mod up with a ReadMe letting people know the file is yours, and preferably, what permissions/licenses you give to other users (whether you're willing to allow others to use it in their own work, with or without permission, whether you're ok with it being uploaded elsewhere, etc.).

Modifié par Dark0ne-, 12 décembre 2009 - 08:14 .

[giskard44]

Phaenan

So I am in no way surprised to see his response to Astorax, Darkones own responses to Astorax was no different either and nor would mine be. Astorax is a nice guy but his views on this are more than a little extreme and self defeating.

To All:

I like Astorax and I think the social site is an interesting experiement that has lots of potential, so I'll break this whole Third Party Site argument down in to its actual components so you understand the position of all third party site owners not just Reynen. Darkone provides a service, which is a little different but his dedication to providing it is no less than ours.

Those who open sites of their own are usually the more successful modders and they usually start with small free sites and work their way up. They are the DOERS in a community, the people that get things done. The people that write the guides, make the best mods, answer your questions and  try and help people. They effectively become
the leaders of a community whether they like it or not because they provide what people want.

Coka cola is a market leader because it provides what people want for example, its the same with modders.

They provide the content the Astorax wants to see on the social site and continue to do so for years to come because not only do they invest time, effort and money in their own site, mods and guides.  Paying for
licenses and new software and hardware to support their efforts along the way. They invest heavily in the community they join, not just their own site but the official sites too. Everybody benefits from their
efforts. 

Now Astorax wants our help for the bioware site and his opening offer is "help us kill off your sites".  

The thing to understand is this.

We make the guides, we make the mods, we support the users, we become a reason users have something cool to look forward too. So why should we third party site owners agree to that deal, what do we get out of it except for a dead website.

Thats why no third party site owner is going to help the bioware social site unless it includes us in its plans.

Modifié par giskard44, 12 décembre 2009 - 09:28 .

[ChewyGumball]

 If by "help us kill off your sites" you mean keep the information in a single location for easy access/reference then I whole heartedly agree with Astorax. You don't expect to have to go to fourteen bookstores(mod sites) for fourteen books(tutorial) when you want to look something up in the library(google). Nor do you expect something to come with ten manuals, each cross referencing each other forcing you to flip flop between them. He isn't talking about mods, hes talking about tutorials, information. Its almost like having an author open his own bookstore to sell only his books because he doesn't want other bookstores selling his book. It doesn't make sense. The point of a tutorial is to teach people how to do something. Making it harder for people to find and learn goes against the whole point of writing the tutorial in the first place. Unless of course you write it for fame and glory or something...

I can understand having redundancy, but its not redundancy if your site is the only place something exists. In fact, supporting the wiki is the single best way to make it succeed. Not supporting it because its not as complete a resource as you would like only hurts it more.


There may be a conflict of interest, as you suggest, as he is a mod here not on DAMods or Nexus, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss everything he says as biased or having a hidden agenda.

There is no reason to take a competitive stance on this issue. Nexus and DAMods both provide welcome and possible necessary services to the community. Bickering over which is better or who has a bigger membership is pointless and petty.

Modifié par ChewyGumball, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:47 .

[FollowTheGourd]

ladydesire wrote...
And, I believe that it's no longer required that you log in to view the wiki, just like how other wikis work.

Well, whaddaya know... there goes my biggest gripe with the wiki.

[Whailor]

Well, I find it annoying that I have to keep registering everywhere just to see anything. I can understand the need to register if I'm going to partake actively in community actions as it's clear that no-one wants to see some anonymous shmucks run amok and cause issues. But if I am there, politely and quietly trying to read something and check it out and download a mod to use it with my game - and obviously I would recommend the site and the mod to anyone from that point on - but to do it I have yet again register on yet another site with a chance that somehow my e-mail address ends up on yet another listing somewhere and I will get more spam then I already do - thanks but no thanks. But, it's your site and you're perfectly entitled to request that, I do not deny this or try to demand anything opposite. Nope, I respect your request. I won't be using the site myself but I am sure that numerous others who don't mind registering on yet another site will be quite happy and I wish all the best to them and to you.

[Ainiana]

Reynen Starfyre wrote...

Currently I've designed a mod that does

1: Has 4 additional classes (2 already working)
2: 4 new backgrounds stories (already have settings / lands for them)
3: New conversations / plots / and cutscenes for them
4: Over 192 new abilities (48 per class and working)
5: Changed physics of the animations and combat environment
6: Adds WORKING custom morph (no more half human / morph shapes)
7: New music, new voices
8: Allows flying
9: Additional Races

That's just a few of the changes, and it's already in beta
The initial file size for the whole mod is about 100MB

been looking through DAMods site for a while but cannot find the download.

[Astorax]

giskard44, you're 100% wrong, sorry dude.



We (Bioware and I) have zero desire to kill off 3rd party sites.



Let me repeat for emphasis. We LIKE having fan/mod/social sites other than this one. That's not a problem.



My WHOLE POINT is that spreading tutorial information that helps people get involved in the toolset/modding community makes it harder for those people to get up and running. Period. Argue with motivation or whatever all you want, that's just the truth of the matter. Unless the 3rd party site owners can guarantee that they will take the time to link from the social site wiki the locations of said guides and tutorials, then it is being made more difficult to get the information to those that need it.



That's my gripe. That by spreading the information to 3rd party sites (and to be extra clear, I'm ONLY referring to tutorials and guides, NOT mods) you're in fact making it harder for people to get deeper involved in the nuts and bolts of modding the game.



With NWN, we didn't have a wiki setup for that sort of information. All we had was the forums, and awesome sites like the Vault...in a case like that, you do what you can, and put guides tutorials up on the 3rd party site. I'm saying we have an opportunity to really make a fantastic central location for all that information.



It DOES have its faults. The searching isn't the best in the world (okay, it kinda sucks) but it's being worked on. The added advantage of having the developers themselves updating it is kind of nice as well. Having said that, think about this site when it first launched compared to now. And think about the relatively short amount of time that's passed since the launch and how much better it's gotten already.



If the guides and tutorials end up all over the internet for people to find, so be it, but that doesn't mean I'm NOT going to speak out loudly for trying to get a central repository of that type of information.

[R3v3r3nD420]

Site registrations are pretty common everywhere nowadays. Just make a trash email account to use, and have it save your login settings so you dont get hassled with logging in every time. Seriously, it sucks, but with the way our electronic society works today it is only going to get worse with admins having to protect their sites from thieves/frauds. Suck it up people, you cant stop it.

I am going to have to agree with the people arguing for the wiki for tutorials. NOTE: "WIKI FOR TUTORIALS". Wiki's have become a very, VERY, popular source for referenced information. Not just this wiki, any wiki. The word "wiki" practically MEANS information nowadays. I am all for having as much learning material, tutorials, picture references, file tables, etc etc, on the wiki to have a central location for those things when I am in the midst of my modding. As someone stated before, the toolset even has a menu option directing you to the wiki. That being said, the wiki needs work. Things are a little disorganized, and also some things read like a doctorate textbook on applied nuclear physics, or "so complicated it will make your average persons eyes cross and smoke come from their ears" to quote a friend. I can think of the FMOD tutorial as an example. Having the devs update the wiki is awesome. I love having it direct from the source. But boy they really need to remember sometimes that the majority of users that see that information are not professionals in the gaming or IT industry such as themselves, and give examples in laymans terms. DA Modding for Dummies anyone? lol

My argument for information on the wiki is laid out. Now its time to defend 3rd party sites.

3rd party sites for discussion and file hosting is imperative for any game in the modern age with modability to succeed. I think the file hosting needs no argument really, as everyone should understand the costs of bandwidth by now, and understand the need to disperse that cost and traffic load. Also, as someone stated above, Bioware will almost certainly not host any adult content here, thus the need for someone who will. And lets not forget file visibility, as the more sites your file is on, the more likely it will be downloaded.

As for discussions, well even the internet has a society. People make friends and "hang-out" with like-minded individuals. Communities will always fragment in some way, shape or form just because its in our human nature to do these things. Just because a person refuses to be a part of this specific community for whatever reason doesnt mean they dont have the right to have some other community that offers them the same benefits. Also, the more places that are possible for unique ideas to come from the better. I'll take an old analogy and change it up as an example: An old saying, when dealing with stupid people actually accomplishing something unexpected, goes: Even a thousand monkeys randomly banging away on a thousand keyboards for a thousand years will eventually write enough for a book. Now, lets say we have a thousand monkeys banging away on one keyboard. We probably wouldnt get nearly as much useful, or unique, material. Thats like this social site. If this truly were the one-stop-shop (for discussions and files), it would be like the thousand monkeys on one keyboard. I think for discussions, less would get accomplished because peoples thoughts and ideas would be shaped by those around them here, which are also shaped by others here, and as such on down the line. With the discussions being somewhat fragmented, I feel it will promote more people to think outside the box, as their thoughts and ideas are likely to be less influenced by others. Or atleast fewer others. Thus increasing the chance that any modders work will be unique. Thats all my opinion, and obviously subject to flaws because it deals with human nature, my own and others. I realize that if you take a herd of 100 cows and make 10 smaller herds of 10 cows each, they're still cows. But the possibility is greater for one of those smaller herds to "mutate" over time and make something different. See what I'm saying? And sorry for all of the animal references, I swear I'm not trying to turn this place into a zoo!


Now, as for the original topic of this post. I signed up at DAmods. I think they had a mod I wanted or something. I do feel it has some work that needs done if it wants to have real competition against this site or the nexus, but it was able to provide me with something I wanted at a time when the others were not. Good for them. But Reynen, wow oh wow oh wow at your behavior at other peoples (true, untrue, just, unjust, sincere, jaded, hipocrtical, or what have you) criticism is something very unbecoming of a leader of a community. Whatever their opinions may be, you really exercized poor logic in handling the situation. And really, your logic in defending your facts or opinion at any time with such animosity is very poor for someone in your position. The customer is always right Reynen, even when they aren't. Meaning: You always respect their opinions even if you know they are lying to your face, or don't feel they deserve it. I am now reluctant to want to use a site that has a person in a position of leadership that behaves so negatively to negativity. And look, what started as a post to drum up business has mostly just succeeded in turning prospective users away.


Anyway, I am done now. Sorry for the novel. Maybe I can get it published.

Long live Dragon Age, no matter the number of sites the community congregates in!

Modifié par R3v3r3nD420, 13 décembre 2009 - 03:08 .

[giskard44]

Chewy

You really know how to make a modder/site owner feel unappreciated.

Do you want to know what I have been doing for people like you whilst you sit there complaining its not enough ?

I spent an entire month researching the use of the toolkit, waded through countless badly explained tutorials and wiki entries. Jumped between dozens of different tutorials to find out how to do a simple job and I did that hundreds of times because the wiki tutorials are a mess. I gave up my chance to get a mod out early in order to ensure the research was done properly and I the tutorial was writing got finished early so people like you could get on with modding the game quickly.

I went though the wiki tutorials correcting errors in many places, fixing descriptions, correcting paths to menus because some of those mentioned did not even exist in the toolkit bioware released to us. Most of this was done after the research was completed and theres a lot more to correct on the wiki or expand upon yet. I have a backlog of corrections still to do that are result from the research done for my own tutorials writen for my own third party website that your moaning about.

You might believe this is a black and white issue and theres a group of wiki helpers on one side and a group of selfish site owners on the other. But I have news for you, we are one and same group of people doing it all.

So few of you are willing to help that the small group that do help appear time and time again, whether you know it or not and many of them are third party site owners like me and most do it anon without posting links of saying "simon said".

Whailor

I completely agree mate and to prove it here are my DA tutorials and guilds on my third party site.

Notice you can view them without registering.

Scroll down to the botton of any of these tutorials and you will see me inviting you to register on my forum if you need further help. I am there everyday, if I see a user try and help them selves and get stuck, I am usually around to help them and encourage them.

I have helped nuns name Arenas of Dr Death for Fallout 3 simply because they said there where useless at modding in my presence. Now they are quest makers for Fallout 3.

Try getting that sort of support from the wiki.
The wiki and this site has its useless but it cannot do what i do.

Modifié par giskard44, 13 décembre 2009 - 03:00 .

[Nowena-]

I hope no one minds my quick question?



Astorax? I'm afraid I don't understand your "quest" or the many arguments going on here. A wiki, by definition will grow with guides, tutorials, and whatever information people want to add for the rest of the game users. Even if all 3rd party sites refrained from putting that information on their sites, there is no guarantee or even likelihood that they would put their information on the wiki. More likely, the tutorials/guides/etc would just be lost in email/pms between them and whoever asked them a pertinant question. As noticed in previous wiki's, information is added there because someone wanted to add it there.



Often, information is added to 3rd party sites because there are two or more people discussing some issue on that site, leaving it available to other users to peruse. No, that is not one-stop shopping, but it is a source that will never be totally available to a wiki. Wiki's do not encourage that type of conversation that results in a particular modding subject breakthrough.

[giskard44]

Btw its worth remembering that wikis are usually inaccurate and usually opinion rather than fact. I spent 3 years making that point to one community that operated on Wiki Lore for Oblivion which I called fan lore. Revealing the actual source material to prove points that what they thought was real lore was actually completely wrong.



So Wikis whilst useful as a guide, cannot be trusted to provide mission critical information.

[FollowTheGourd]

Nobody would reasonably object to the exchange of information on a third party site, as if they'd have a say in it anyway. It'd just be nice to consolidate it eventually - wherever that might be. That way there's some way of more easily finding it again, and hopefully in a few years from now, doesn't lead to a broken link without an archive. The only thing with wikis is that it discourages bylines, so maybe authors wouldn't feel they're getting their "due credit". Fine, but I don't think it'd hurt at some point to fold the material back into it, regardless.

I don't know if they got the authors' permission or what, but things like the Elder Scrolls CS Wiki *seemed* to have merged in a few posts from around their forums and other articles. I don't encourage plagiarism, just putting the dissemination of knowledge above personal gain.

Maybe somebody will even compile a DALexicon so there's less trepidation about the wiki disappearing one day...

Edit: about the accuracy of wikis... I'd rather have the possibility that somebody changes it for the worse to one where nobody can update the information at all. At any rate, there's the history and talk page you can check if you call something into question - and you should be able to at least verify whether technical information pans out. There was a game (about two years old now) that had a developer wiki that only the devs could modify. It kept all sorts of outdated and outright misleading information on even fundamental things... like required collision material needed for map boundaries. Needless to say, the community figured it out, but the information was so spread all over the place that it hardly mattered.

Modifié par FollowTheGourd, 13 décembre 2009 - 03:31 .

[giskard44]

I am waiting for somebody on Biowares staff to wake up and realise alienating those what do the work is probably one of their worst ideas and that a sticky page full of links to items on a third party site solves a lot of problems.

Modifié par giskard44, 13 décembre 2009 - 03:56 .

[ChewyGumball]

I never said anything about not appreciating you, or your site, or any site. In fact, I thank you for taking the time to make those corrections and doing that research. I only said that making it HARDER to get information goes against the point of making a tutorial in the first place. By holding them to one site rather than distributing them among many, you make it harder to find.



What deal do you refer to that would "kill" 3rd party sites? I see no deadly deal, only one person asking strongly that people don't split the knowledge base based on allegiances to a particular site. You seem to be arguing an point that was never made by anyone but yourself.

[RoninOmega]

Astorax wrote...

giskard44, you're 100% wrong, sorry dude.

We (Bioware and I) have zero desire to kill off 3rd party sites.

Let me repeat for emphasis. We LIKE having fan/mod/social sites other than this one. That's not a problem.

My WHOLE POINT is that spreading tutorial information that helps people get involved in the toolset/modding community makes it harder for those people to get up and running. Period. Argue with motivation or whatever all you want, that's just the truth of the matter. Unless the 3rd party site owners can guarantee that they will take the time to link from the social site wiki the locations of said guides and tutorials, then it is being made more difficult to get the information to those that need it.

That's my gripe. That by spreading the information to 3rd party sites (and to be extra clear, I'm ONLY referring to tutorials and guides, NOT mods) you're in fact making it harder for people to get deeper involved in the nuts and bolts of modding the game.

With NWN, we didn't have a wiki setup for that sort of information. All we had was the forums, and awesome sites like the Vault...in a case like that, you do what you can, and put guides tutorials up on the 3rd party site. I'm saying we have an opportunity to really make a fantastic central location for all that information.

It DOES have its faults. The searching isn't the best in the world (okay, it kinda sucks) but it's being worked on. The added advantage of having the developers themselves updating it is kind of nice as well. Having said that, think about this site when it first launched compared to now. And think about the relatively short amount of time that's passed since the launch and how much better it's gotten already.

If the guides and tutorials end up all over the internet for people to find, so be it, but that doesn't mean I'm NOT going to speak out loudly for trying to get a central repository of that type of information.

What if the tutorials are almost exactly similar?  Besides, I'm sure most people would come here, but it didn't help to refer to another tutorial.

I guess you probably didn't mean to make the hosts of the fan sites get on edge, but it did kind of look that way, sorry to say.  I don't see why we shouldn't get help from outside.  People still look on this site, and if you guyes care a lot about having everybody properly informed, then why not include it with the toolset? Problem solved, it's not like any other tutorial out there is against the official one.

Plus what if theres a new kind of way to use the toolset?  I think it would be neat to find out, or if there are excellent developing shortcuts, it doesn't hurt to refer to 2 different kinds of tutorials.

Modifié par RoninOmega, 13 décembre 2009 - 04:10 .

[ChewyGumball]

The issue is not which tutorials to use, but where those tutorials are kept.

[giskard44]

ChewyGumball wrote...

I never said anything about not appreciating you, or your site, or any site. In fact, I thank you for taking the time to make those corrections and doing that research. I only said that making it HARDER to get information goes against the point of making a tutorial in the first place. By holding them to one site rather than distributing them among many, you make it harder to find.

Search for the Cyrodiil Upgrade on google, see how quickly you can find me using that name.

Btw modders always have to search for stuff, always have to dig deep for details, nothing is handed to us on a plate as you seem to be demanding. Searching and research is part of the journey and those who cannot do it or will not do it will NEVER make any mods.

ChewyGumball wrote...
What deal do you refer to that would "kill" 3rd party sites? I see no deadly deal, only one person asking strongly that people don't split the knowledge base based on allegiances to a particular site. You seem to be arguing an point that was never made by anyone but yourself.

I never said anything about a DEADLY DEAL, the word deal was never used, those your words not mine.

Astorax has said several times "do not use this site", he said it in the nexus thread and said it here. You agreed, thats campaigning against the third party sites in question. You are activily trying to make sure users do not use those sites and members of staff here are leading the way.

I call that a hostile act against fan sites, it leaves very little room for mis-interpretation and you agreed with it.

Modifié par giskard44, 13 décembre 2009 - 04:25 .

[RoninOmega]

ChewyGumball wrote...

The issue is not which tutorials to use, but where those tutorials are kept.

Yeah.... but I honestly don't think bioware needs to worry about people giving different tutorials, or where their kept, infact, you can't really control that, this is the internet.

Theirs no point in worrying about it actually.  No harms going to be done.

Infact, going back to what astorax said where it makes it harder for people to get the "nuts and botls" of the toolset by spreading it, why?  I don't see how it's going to hinder people getting into it.  I actually think it'll help get more people involved.  See oblivion?  Impressive gallery of mods.  Dragon age is becoming that infact, theres so much potential in it.   By spreading tutorials, I think it's more helpful then having only one place to refer too.


IMO this subject has actually gotten more of a big deal then it suprisingly should.  Reminds me of the swine flu pandemic thing that the media made everyone feel way too on edge(Nothing intenionally bad being said about people with it or knowv anybody with it)

Modifié par RoninOmega, 13 décembre 2009 - 04:43 .

[ChewyGumball]

giskard44 wrote...

We make the guides, we make the mods, we support the users, we become a reason users have something cool to look forward too. So why should we third party site owners agree to that deal, what do we get out of it except for a dead website.

Thats why no third party site owner is going to help the bioware social site unless it includes us in its plans.

Not my words  

Astorax has never said do not use DAmods or Nexus or any other site. He HAS said that posting tutorials on sites other than the wiki hurts the community rather than strengthens it. Again, you seem to be arguing a point that was made by no one but yourself.

I personally don't think posting ONLY on the wiki is the best option for the community, but PURPOSELY NOT posting on the wiki is the WORST option.

Modifié par ChewyGumball, 13 décembre 2009 - 04:44 .

[JJM152]

ChewyGumball wrote...

giskard44 wrote...

We make the guides, we make the mods, we support the users, we become a reason users have something cool to look forward too. So why should we third party site owners agree to that deal, what do we get out of it except for a dead website.

Thats why no third party site owner is going to help the bioware social site unless it includes us in its plans.

Not my words  

Astorax has never said do not use DAmods or Nexus or any other site. He HAS said that posting tutorials on sites other than the wiki hurts the community rather than strengthens it. Again, you seem to be arguing a point that was made by no one but yourself.

I personally don't think posting ONLY on the wiki is the best option for the community, but PURPOSELY NOT posting on the wiki is the WORST option.

Astorax's opinion is the logical one, if only by the virture of the fact that by spreading the knowledge base about DA modding across so many sites, there will invariable by a replication of effort.

I believe this is why he makes the point that it would be nice if third party sites linked to the wiki. This way the wiki acts as a knowledge aggregator and gets up and running and more powerful faster.

Also, I agree with you Chewy = not posting on the wiki is terrible. It will, for better or worst, be the first point of contact for many newbie modders by virtue of the fact that it's integrated with the Social Site. The wiki also allows for track backs to other sites, so if you do host your own DA modding site, kindly post your tutorial to the wiki and then track it back on the references to your original article on your own site.

This way, not only are you sharing with the wiki, but since more people will probably look at the wiki, if you write a good featured article on there, then you will get a lot of eyeballs on your URL and hopefully on your site.

This seems perfect to me. Essentially Bioware is giving third party modders the opportunity to be featured on their community wiki. I wonder why people don't see it this way...

For instance, John Vanderbeck's "Beyond Ferelden" blog is very nicely done and I like it alot, but I never would have known about it, or found it, if it hadn't been linked to from the Wiki. Go figure.

[FollowTheGourd]

How about let's just agree information anywhere is a good thing - and not belabour who said what, or why, or to whom - and if it was with the wrench in the dining hall, or the candlestick in the lounge.

I don't see anybody demanding information on a silver platter or being lazy about it either. If you get an audience to read your work, terrific. At the opposite extreme, maybe everybody will start posting information in their remote corner of blogspace and work in isolation instead of being able to easily share information and be productive.

If you want BioWare to link to third-party sites... how about use the wiki and create a compilation page/category (if one doesn't already exist). See if it gets edited into the dust or not, and you'll have your answer. I'm sure one could even neutrally link to it from wiki tutorials under some "additional resources" heading if you don't think anybody would ever see it otherwise...

I don't even know what's to be gained by arguing this anymore. It's just less time spent on getting the real work done. :-P

Modifié par FollowTheGourd, 13 décembre 2009 - 06:05 .

[JJM152]

To show my support for the wiki (and to demonstrate how much arguably more awesome it is than forum based blogs), I just added a few tables under the scripting overview that details a few of the comparison, logical and arithmetic operators available in the scripting language.



http://social.biowar...rview#Operators



This is one of the main reasons why I am so keen on the wiki. I just got a wild hair up my arse to add something and I went and did it - and it's categorized and indexed in a way that people might actually find it useful!



Viva la wiki!

[giskard44]

ChewyGumball wrote...

Not my words  

Astorax has never said do not use DAmods or Nexus or any other site. He HAS said that posting tutorials on sites other than the wiki hurts the community rather than strengthens it. Again, you seem to be arguing a point that was made by no one but yourself.

I personally don't think posting ONLY on the wiki is the best option for the community, but PURPOSELY NOT posting on the wiki is the WORST option.

REALLY!!!!

Btw i run a modders support site that gets its visitors from the tutorials I write and host on my site. If those tutorials are everywhere, I get no visitors and my site closes and I lose out. Which is what you intend to try to do so this does kill off my site.

Thanks for the confirmation.

I think I'll stop supporting the wiki and stop supporting the social site, given what has been said, its not in my best interests to do so anymore.

[Deception_2112]

giskard....



You made the Origin of the Mages Guild and etc for Oblivion yes?



Thing is i agreed with your stance back when people whined endlessly about problems they had with your mods (which worked completely fine for me and were excellent in quality) and i agree with you now.



I don't get why moderators are so frustrated about information being posted elsewhere, so far i've found tutorials relating to DA here, at DAmods, DAnexus and etc. and i haven't bothered going to the wiki.



I also don't get why it is encouraged that tutorials be posted in one specific place, and that you're labelling anyone who doesn't as selfish, as far as i can see you're just alienating them further and telling them basically to "use our wiki or ****** off"

[giskard44]

Deception_2112 wrote...

giskard....

You made the Origin of the Mages Guild and etc for Oblivion yes?

Thing is i agreed with your stance back when people whined endlessly about problems they had with your mods (which worked completely fine for me and were excellent in quality) and i agree with you now.

I don't get why moderators are so frustrated about information being posted elsewhere, so far i've found tutorials relating to DA here, at DAmods, DAnexus and etc. and i haven't bothered going to the wiki.

I also don't get why it is encouraged that tutorials be posted in one specific place, and that you're labelling anyone who doesn't as selfish, as far as i can see you're just alienating them further and telling them basically to "use our wiki or ****** off"

Yes the same guy.

There are better ways to handle this but it seems pissing off modders one by one has been chosen as the prefered method to deal with it. Theres always somebody trying to control something in every community and they usually bring a friendly community crashing down around us.

This will end in a troll fest, It always does.

Modifié par giskard44, 13 décembre 2009 - 07:54 .