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[Ainiana]

DarthParametric wrote...

As I have myself. That has nothing to do with DA modders as a group however.

I see a lot of familiar names here that i recall from NWN1+2 modding however

When you see many familiar names answering scripting/toolset questions that you saw in nwn1+2 it does feel like your still in the same community

[DarthParametric]

The DA modding community extends beyond people who modded NWN.

[Proleric]

DarthParametric wrote...

Proleric1 wrote...

[...] our most cherished community values.

And how deeply cherished they must be indeed, having been fostered in the vast expanse of weeks since DA was released.

If you don't want to share, and have no respect for our values, go join the barbeque elsewhere, and allow the rest of us to enjoy the park in peace.

[TimelordDC]

Leopard, you are right in that the wiki, being edited by too many people based on their own experiences can be wrong or misleading at times. Are you sure that other sites with only one person writing the tutorials won't be subject to similar errors?

You should also keep in mind that the wiki is also being actively edited by the developers themselves and there is a dedicated group of Wiki Editors where discussions on how to make the wiki more user-friendly and the topics to add/edit are held regularly.



What I still don't understand is - if the tutorials in the Engineering Guild forums (as an example) are linked to from the wiki, wouldn't that present another source of information and also drive more traffic to that website? Wouldn't that be in the interest of the entire community AND the 3rd party site owners?

The wiki need not contain all the tutorials but it can serve as a central repository from where 3rd party tutorials can also be linked to (in addition to the content already there). Wouldn't that be the best of both worlds?

[Proleric]

Leopard73 wrote...
This discussion has now lost its focus and become a mud slinging contest...

I agree absolutely. That's what I'm trying to stop, because this is no fun at all.

Anyone who doesn't like sharing knowledge on a wiki, or allowing others to use their content unconditionally, is free to contribute to one or more of the exclusive sites.

Coming here to attack the fundamental principals on which this social site is based is just going to cause conflict, so why do it?

I don't contribute to Nexus or the other sites. I leave you in peace. Will you show me the same respect?

Modifié par Proleric1, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:35 .

[Dark0ne-]

I leave you in peace. Will you show me the same respect?

Come on now, lets be truthful; you're in every single fan site post talking about how if it isn't open source then it's against the community/against your own personal belief. That's hardly leaving "us" in peace. It's practically trolling.

I didn't want to get dragged in to this as Nexus wasn't really menioned specifically and my own views (in support of the wiki) have been expressed on the Nexus forums where Astorox was good enough to post. But seriously; you're in every single one of these threads, Proleric, spouting the exact same stuff. It's a bit yawn really. So when you say you leave [me] in peace I had to chuckle.

Modifié par Dark0ne-, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:58 .

[Sunjammer]

Dark0ne- wrote...

Come on now, lets be truthful; you're in every single fan site post talking about how if it isn't open source then it's against the community/against your own personal belief. That's hardly leaving "us" in peace. It's practically trolling.
... But seriously; you're in every single one of these threads, Proleric, spouting the exact same stuff. It's a bit yawn really. So when you say you leave [me] in peace I had to chuckle.

QFT

Modifié par Sunjammer, 15 décembre 2009 - 09:39 .

[ladydesire]

TimelordDC wrote...

What I still don't understand is - if the tutorials in the Engineering Guild forums (as an example) are linked to from the wiki, wouldn't that present another source of information and also drive more traffic to that website? Wouldn't that be in the interest of the entire community AND the 3rd party site owners?
The wiki need not contain all the tutorials but it can serve as a central repository from where 3rd party tutorials can also be linked to (in addition to the content already there). Wouldn't that be the best of both worlds?

This precisely my thought as well. I mean, if "googling it" was such a good idea, why didn't Bioware just put a link to Google in the help menu disguised as a link to the toolset wiki? It sure as heck would have been cheaper... 

[Proleric]

Dark0ne- wrote...

I leave you in peace. Will you show me the same respect?

Come on now, lets be truthful; you're in every single fan site post talking about how if it isn't open source then it's against the community/against your own personal belief. That's hardly leaving "us" in peace. It's practically trolling...

Excuse me? I challenge you to post a link to any Dragon Age fan site (other than the Bioware site and my own blog) in which I have behaved as you allege.

The plain fact is that I leave Nexus and all the other fan sites which restrict content sharing in peace.

It appears to me that if there were trolls on this Bioware site, they would be voicing hostile criticism of Bioware products, customers and terms of service, or telling lies about alleged censorship. Again, I'm sure the community would be suitably enlightened if you could provide a single shred of evidence of that kind of behaviour on my part.

[Dark0ne-]

You'll notice I said "in every fan site post", i.e. posts like these. Not on the fan sites themselves. If these forums had a "view posts made by user" feature I'd be able to quote atleast four instances where you've gone in to threads about other fansites and said you wouldn't use them as they're against your open-source philosophy.

[R3v3r3nD420]

giskard44 wrote...

R3v3r3nD420:

Actually mate its not a two way street, its a one way street, we do all the work, you reap all the benefits.

No, its a 2-way street. You choose not to support this community, we choose not to support you.

And quit thinking you're entitled to something. I have never used ANY information or tutorials you have provided. So no, I have NOT reaped any benefits from you. Wake up Giskard. You are not some modders gift from the gods to everyone like you are seeming to make yourself out to be. Get off your soapbox and realize you're one of the plebians just like the rest of us.

I've got some of the most popular armor mods on certain fan-sites, yet do you see me up on a soapbox? Nope, never will either. Get over your ego bud, before it destroys you and your fan site.

[FalloutBoy]

Can we let this silly thread die now? It was funny for a while, but it needs to go away before the flames start up again.

Modifié par FalloutBoy, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:46 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

I have to say after reading some of the opinions expressed in this thread I'm a bit disappointed in the segregation that is taking place. How is the modding community supposed to grow and expand when everyone wants their own little community with their own content?



Needless to say, I feel the sudden urge to contribute everything I've learned these past few days to the wiki.

[Offkorn]

How is the modding community supposed to grow and expand when everyone wants their own little community with their own content?

This is nothing new. Wikis and full dissemination of information is what's new.

Hark back to the days of BGII Modding if you will, where the closest thing to a Nexus site was Sorcerer's Place. Each modding group had their own particular webpages; Spellhold Studios, Gibberlings Three, Darkest Day Team, Imoen's Romance, TuTu, The Big Picture....

Nowadays practically no one has their own webpages and everyone releases things through community sites such as IGN's Planet sites, the Nexus sites, and now this social network.

I'm honestly a bit nostalgic for the times when you had to be legitimatly knowledgeable/skilled to make/release a Mod.

Modifié par Offkorn, 16 décembre 2009 - 09:08 .

[ladydesire]

Offkorn wrote...

How is the modding community supposed to grow and expand when everyone wants their own little community with their own content?

This is nothing new. Wikis and full dissemination of information is what's new.

Hark back to the days of BGII Modding if you will, where the closest thing to a Nexus site was Sorcerer's Place. Each modding group had their own particular webpages; Spellhold Studios, Gibberlings Three, Darkest Day Team, Imoen's Romance, TuTu, The Big Picture....

Nowadays practically no one has their own webpages and everyone releases things through community sites such as IGN's Planet sites, the Nexus sites, and now this social network.

I'm honestly a bit nostalgic for the times when you had to be legitimatly knowledgeable/skilled to make/release a Mod.

For that matter, I can remember a time when modding games wasn't suported by the developers and publishers, but they never tried to stop folks from doing it (how many folks here remember Doom PWADs?).

[TimelordDC]

Offkorn wrote...
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I'm honestly a bit nostalgic for the times when you had to be legitimatly knowledgeable/skilled to make/release a Mod.

Technology used in games has grown by leaps and bounds and the average hobbyist cannot know all the details required to make a full-fledged mod for a game by themselves. That is why the DA toolset has developer tools like version control. Somewhere in these boards, I remember a developer (Craig maybe?) stating that not everyone in the DA development team knew all the ins and outs of the toolset -> they each had their own areas of expertise. If that is the case in a professional development team paid to create games, can you imagine how much the average modder can do?
This is the primary reason we need to have a central repository of (linked) information so that learning time can be shortened and the actual work can take the bulk of the time.
Sadly, based on my PMs, I know that is not going to happen (at least, not now).

Doom PWADS...now, that is nostalgia (though some were bugged as hell!) and that is an excellent example of modding where no actual modding was supported. Evilution and Plutonia are great examples of community made content. Now, I'll have to download dosbox and see if I can fire up Plutonia on my machine...

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Offkorn wrote...

How is the modding community supposed to grow and expand when everyone wants their own little community with their own content?

I'm honestly a bit nostalgic for the times when you had to be legitimatly knowledgeable/skilled to make/release a Mod.

Ultimately you still have to be to create a good mod.  Having the information easily available only makes the learning process easier empowering those with ambition to spend less time trying to figure out how to make something work and more time making better content.

[Offkorn]

Somewhere in these boards, I remember a developer (Craig maybe?) stating that not everyone in the DA development team knew all the ins and outs of the toolset -> they each had their own areas of expertise. If that is the case in a professional development team paid to create games, can you imagine how much the average modder can do?

Quite a bit actually. A long as said modder specializes in a specific area of the game. Say, creating new spells for example. The technology hasn't really changed much at all. We're still editing 2da files, and we're still scripting to accomplish what can't be done in those 2da files.

Do recall that sizable Mods like BGII's Darkest Day, and the KotORII Restoration projects, were made without a developer toolset or any developer assistance at all. Player-made Mods created with player-made utilities. Games like those have comparatively few Mods, but those Mods are usually of greater average quality do to the dedication it required to produce them.

What is there now? For every Mod that does something notable, there's 10,001 Mods to remove the ability cooldowns, with all the 'authors' of those Mods clamoring at one another about usage and hosting rights.

It's just sad.

Modifié par Offkorn, 16 décembre 2009 - 11:26 .

[fluffyamoeba]

KotOR2 restoration used a slightly modified version of NWN's script compiler and had the help of the file format specs Bioware made publically available. It's far less to go on than a toolset, but not entirely without developer help

[Astorax]

While I appreciate all the opinions expressed on all sides, the stance of pretty much everyone involved in the discussions here has been made abundantly clear and I'm not interested in seeing yet more circular discussion in a thread that is as charged as it is here.

Proleric1, while I appreciate your outrage, if you have issues with DarkOne or any of the other fansite administrators, please take it to PMs as nothing can be gained any longer with bickering about these things in this thread.

Thanks guys, I believe the point has been made by both sides pretty clearly.

Modifié par Astorax, 16 décembre 2009 - 11:52 .