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[Toshir]

 It's obvious this will come up in ME3. So what do you do? Stop the genophage which will give you a very, very strong ally against the Reapers which could turn up as a very, very strong opponent, or do you keep the genophage so that the galaxy won't have another Krogan invasion?

 

[ME-ParaShep]

If the Krogan uprise and turn against all of the universe if the battle against the Reapers is won, we could genophage them again (if possible) or cut off their supplies at least. Then again, it's still going to be a crazy fight if that happens, which I doubt won't happen. I'm pretty sure some or most of the Krogans will die during the Reaper invasion. No one's going to take the initiative to start a war right after a war because that would be plain preposterous.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Krogan problem is nothing to be embarassed about. I hear it's very common.

[Sheppard-Commander]

Tough call. My renegade shep would probably lie to the Krogan and use them against the Reapers, but as much of a threat as they are I ultimately couldnt let their population explode again.

If it came down to it though, I would rather be facing a Krogan onslaught vs a Reaper onslaught.

[ThePwener]

I'll go with Mordin's route but be a little more forgiving. The Krogans can't become a problem while the galaxy is at war.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I think Wrex and by proxy most of his clan learned from the genophage they learned they can only expand as it doesn't hurt colonized worlds around them so I think giving Wrex the cure and only his clan it they can weed out those clans who refused to learn the lesson behind the genophage and give the cure to those who not only say they're like minded as Wrex is but prove it.

I wouldn't want to blanket cure the Krogan only those who are like Wrex who get or those like the krogan romancing the Asari on Illium he and the two arguing about fish are quite benign and pose no threat they aren't drug runners or needlessly cracking people's skulls in.

So hopefully BW does a 3rd option

Cure genophage blanket wise

Destroy it forever all data on it as well

Give the cure to Wrex and he will mediate its deserved dispensing.

[JayTheWolf]

 Take the genophage away. Cure it. It was wrong to do in the first place. 
But if they uprise again, I'd just kill them all. The genophage was below the belt, IMO. The Krogan were the strongest species in the galaxy and everyone knew it, so the salarians and turians decided "Hey, let's try and even the battlefield.".
Genocide preferable to genophage. Why mutate a species instead of giving them a glorious death? Krogan live to have an honorable death. Patriarch says this, a little more elegantly than I can remember. 
In the end, everyone was ****ed over. Now the Reapers are here and no one has a brute species to deal with the heavy hitting, the Krogan hate everyone, and that's just a bunch of BS. 

[ThePwener]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I think Wrex and by proxy most of his clan learned from the genophage they learned they can only expand as it doesn't hurt colonized worlds around them so I think giving Wrex the cure and only his clan it they can weed out those clans who refused to learn the lesson behind the genophage and give the cure to those who not only say they're like minded as Wrex is but prove it. 

Wrex won't live forever. Eventually the Krogan will forget and return to they're barbaric senseless wars against everyone else.... it's in they're nature.

[l DryIce l]

JayTheWolf wrote...

 Take the genophage away. Cure it. It was wrong to do in the first place. 
But if they uprise again, I'd just kill them all. The genophage was below the belt, IMO. The Krogan were the strongest species in the galaxy and everyone knew it, so the salarians and turians decided "Hey, let's try and even the battlefield.".
Genocide preferable to genophage. Why mutate a species instead of giving them a glorious death? Krogan live to have an honorable death. Patriarch says this, a little more elegantly than I can remember. 
In the end, everyone was ****ed over. Now the Reapers are here and no one has a brute species to deal with the heavy hitting, the Krogan hate everyone, and that's just a bunch of BS. 

It wasn't like that at all. The Krogan were taking over already inhabited worlds by force. They did not negotiate, and had no plan to stop expanding. What's preferable? Going to war against the Krogan and have heavy losses on both sides, or affect Krogan birthrate and reduce their numbers? 

[ThePwener]

l DryIce l wrote...

JayTheWolf wrote...

 Take the genophage away. Cure it. It was wrong to do in the first place. 
But if they uprise again, I'd just kill them all. The genophage was below the belt, IMO. The Krogan were the strongest species in the galaxy and everyone knew it, so the salarians and turians decided "Hey, let's try and even the battlefield.".
Genocide preferable to genophage. Why mutate a species instead of giving them a glorious death? Krogan live to have an honorable death. Patriarch says this, a little more elegantly than I can remember. 
In the end, everyone was ****ed over. Now the Reapers are here and no one has a brute species to deal with the heavy hitting, the Krogan hate everyone, and that's just a bunch of BS. 

It wasn't like that at all. The Krogan were taking over already inhabited worlds by force. They did not negotiate, and had no plan to stop expanding. What's preferable? Going to war against the Krogan and have heavy losses on both sides, or affect Krogan birthrate and reduce their numbers? 

The problem is that the Genophage did not work as intended... at first. It was slowly killing them and then they grew an immunity to it overtime. Then Mordin and the pack of souless proffesors made it even worse then it was originally and then if it wasn't for Shepard (if you took the cure in ME2) the Krogan would have eventually died out. 

[originalgamer89]

My Shepard wants to modify the genophage to allow some growth in the population but prevent the whole piles of dead babies thing the Krogan have to deal with.

[Inutaisho7996]

This reminds me of the Simpsons episode "Bart the Mother". Once the Genophage-free krogan kill the reapers, we'll have to unleash the krogan-eating snakes, then the snake-eating gorillas, then when winter rolls around, the gorillas will freeze to death.

[DoNotIngest]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

This reminds me of the Simpsons episode "Bart the Mother". Once the Genophage-free krogan kill the reapers, we'll have to unleash the krogan-eating snakes, then the snake-eating gorillas, then when winter rolls around, the gorillas will freeze to death.

But then we'll be stuck with Winters!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

I'd say take off and nuke the site from orbit, but they already done that themselves and survived... so I guess I'll just have to crash an asteroid into the mass relay of the system Tuchanka is in. That'll sort the Krogan 'Problem' out.

It's what us humans do best...

If it was up to the Turians, they'd just shoot at it, if it was upto the Asari they'd try talking them to death, if it was upto the Salarians, well we know they already made a new problem. So it's up to us humans to fix it.

WIPE THEM OUT.... ALL OF THEM!


That was a joke...

[Kaylord]

The Genophage thing is one the toughest grey decision in the game. Similar to killing the rachni queen.

Just to recall, Wrex´s power base is actually built on the genophage. By controlling the few females, he controls birth. If the genophage is removed, well, Wrex cannot control larger and larger numbers of females to be born.

In ME2 Mording said that the genophage is actually self-sustaining. This is opposing to what Wrex said in ME1, that his race is in the process of extinction. Also, Wrex handling of Krogan politics clearly shows that the Krogan are still the same unresponsible lot. Based on that, I would maintain the genophage for the following reasons: Higher birth rate does not provide help in the war which is right now. Higher birth rate will, in the case of victory, restart the same problem as it was before the genophage.

[wildannie]

Krogan individually are very strong but I don't see how, even with Wrex trying to unite them, they are in a position to provide a game changing Krogan army.
Also, I don't think there's been enough time for the cure to be created so the best that Shepard could offer would probably be information on the research so far, and a promise that this would be developed in the future.

[nhsk]

Kaylord wrote...

The Genophage thing is one the toughest grey decision in the game. Similar to killing the rachni queen.

Just to recall, Wrex´s power base is actually built on the genophage. By controlling the few females, he controls birth. If the genophage is removed, well, Wrex cannot control larger and larger numbers of females to be born.

In ME2 Mording said that the genophage is actually self-sustaining. This is opposing to what Wrex said in ME1, that his race is in the process of extinction. Also, Wrex handling of Krogan politics clearly shows that the Krogan are still the same unresponsible lot. Based on that, I would maintain the genophage for the following reasons: Higher birth rate does not provide help in the war which is right now. Higher birth rate will, in the case of victory, restart the same problem as it was before the genophage.

On the other hand, the Krogans were uplifted to the stars by the Salarians and then neutered. If they hadn't been uplifted the Krogan would still  be on Tuchanka, either killing themselves off or evolving into something more civil and eventually by themselves gaining space flight with a different view on fights.

By neutering them and having them able to leave Tuchanka you have filled the Krogans with disdain / hatred for especially the Turians and the Salarians, which keeps them in their pre-flight mindset about revenge, which I can understand as no biological beings should endure the emotional trauma of having every 999 children be stillborn / miscarried. I don't think there is any advanced intelligent races on Earth that would not break by that trauma save for a few mammals like the Sea Turtle but they don't care for their young in the same way. They just lay eggs and leave.

So yes perhaps the genophage was the best solution at the time, but the optimal solution would have been, never having uplifted the Krogans, and just neutered the Rachni instead.

Comparing Krogans to Humans the 20th century was the bloodiest in human history ever. But still we learned from those mistakes and gained more technology in that century than ever before, resolved to avoid historys mistakes.

Krogans never got that chance.

So I'm going to give the Krogans the benefit of the doubt, we can still maintain an arms embargo on them and let us see how they evolve over the next 300 years or whatever, never giving them a chance to leave Tuchanka in large numbers by keeping them out of space ship production.

Modifié par nhsk, 30 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[Homebound]

Mordin had this idea about stabilizing the poppulation and their culture or something. i think ill go with tthat.

[nhsk]

You never stabilize a culture by meddling in their affairs. Change has to come from within, not without. You can offer outside help, if they ask, but not force change upon it.

[Slothful Koala]

I will help Wrex, who I believe can and will control his people. That way another genophage doesn't happen.

[Gabey5]

they should learn 2 birth control

[Spectre_907]

I have no intention of curing the genophage but I'd rather have Maelon's research data and not need it. The genophage isn't detrimental to maintaining a viable krogan population. The primary contributor to their 'dying race' status is their culture.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 30 juin 2011 - 09:53 .

[Dannyboy9876]

Meh, I'll do it to keep Wrex happy.

[TobiTobsen]

Save the Rachni in ME1, cure the genophage in ME3 and let those two races duke it out, if one should spread to fast again.

Should be an interesting way of birth control.

[Parion]

The genophage was the the right, moral choice.
The krogan need to quit thier whining. If they don't like it they should cure it themselves, otherwise they should man up an learn to live with it instead of acting like a bunch of spoiled children.

nhsk wrote...

You never stabilize a culture by meddling in
their affairs. Change has to come from within, not without. You can
offer outside help, if they ask, but not force change upon it.

Pffft. Evolutionary pressure comes from without more often than within, and that's all the genophage is.

Modifié par Parion, 30 juin 2011 - 10:11 .