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[Epic777]

My opinion the worst case scenario would be the krogan being unified and civilized as a culture/society to cure the genophage themselves. Likely they would still hate the council races and at the same time owe them nothing.

[REgentleman]

Krogans then had no central leadership, hardly anybody to speak for them. For all we know, the Krogan voices of reason were drowned out by the guns of so many short-sighted idiot clan leaders that clawed their way to new territory for their own selfish reasons.  Has Krogan society ever been united beyond some of its clans realizing that no matter how much they hated each other, they needed to do something together to get it done? They should be commended just for getting so far as rocket science on their own, with politics like that screwing with their development.

Via Wrex (and maybe that guy on Illium), we know that Krogans who think the stereotypical Krogan "do what I want, take what I want, screw da police and everybody else" attitude is terribly retarded exist, at  least, so to lump all of them together and call them a problem is no better than doing the same to groups in human society that have had a similar us-vs-world situation forced on them.

Mordin certainly got some things right- the Krogan needed (and still need) time to advance culturally, and they're likely not going to be helped along by the rest of civilization treating them like pariahs. God forbid Wrex should get some outside help showing his people another way, right?

So, there's the Krogan problem. What do you suppose we do for the Human "problem," then, pal? (@nobody in particular)

[Beerfish]

Rachni stop the reaper problem, Krogan stop the Rachni problem, Salarians and Turians stop the Krogan problem, Geth stop the Salarain and Turian problem, Quarians stop the Geth problem, Drell, Hanar, volus, Elcor stop the Quarian problem, Vorcha, Yargh, Batarians to stop the Drell, Hanar, Volus and Elcor problem, Humans to stop the Vorcha, Yargh, Batarian problem, Reapers to stop the human problem.

Easy peasy!

[rt604]

I would cure the genophage, but at the same time would monitor the situation. If the Krogan get out of hand again, just re-introduce a genophage that will stabilize the population of Krogan depending on their development as a civilization as a whole.

[Epic777]

The big kink in Mordins plan it does nothing to negate krogan anger at the original genophage (This is without the knowledge of the 2nd genophage). Again its doubtful a unified(i.e stop infighting) more civilized krogan population will not try and counter the genophage themselves or would suddenly stop resenting the Turians/Salarians.

[l DryIce l]

rt604 wrote...

I would cure the genophage, but at the same time would monitor the situation. If the Krogan get out of hand again, just re-introduce a genophage that will stabilize the population of Krogan depending on their development as a civilization as a whole.

Probably the best solution, but I doubt we'd be given that option, since most choices seem to be picking between one of two extremes. 

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Curing the genophage is not a big a problem as you think,as long as the Krogan are unable to manufacture space capable craft they can breed to thier hearts content they still aint leaving Tuchanka.
Krogans have neither the technical knowhow or inclination or even resources to build the infrastructure to amass a spaceworthy fleet,they can't even be bothered to improve the basic infrastructure on their own home planet.

[C9316]

I'd cure it and possibly try to get them to unite under one banner and become a council race. If that doesn't work a spare strand of a modified genophage would be kept just in case.

[ObserverStatus]

The plot details are scarce now, but so far it looks like Tuchanka has been attacked by reapers, and the Genophage cure is the only thing that can save them from extinction.

[Epic777]

bobobo878 wrote...

The plot details are scarce now, but so far it looks like Tuchanka has been attacked by reapers, and the Genophage cure is the only thing that can save them from extinction.

Really? I thought the reapers at this stage are attacking everyone not just the Krogan. From what I understand from E3 gameplay videos the salarians are doing something with the genophage to benefit the krogan. May explains with there are fertile females on the salarian homeworld. This seems to be a 'carrot on a stick' attempt to persuade the krogan to have an alliance with the Turians.

Modifié par Epic777, 30 juin 2011 - 06:38 .

[Schneidend]

The genophage cure wouldn't do anything fast enough to help against the reapers. Even at full breeding capacity, a krogan still needs to mature and be trained to fight.

They're better off now than they ever were. Destroy the cure and end the debate.

[nhsk]

Except carrying the genophage fuels a tremendous hate, which is kinda understandable, for the Turians and Salarians, so if they ever get the possibility of slaughtering Turians or Salarians, it will happen thus not furthering their goals.

Let them wage war against themselves on their own planet and let evolution run its natural path without further meddling, either they learn to behave and change their ways to peace. It would reduce need to breed as much, introducing a naturally evolved genophage which would be better for maintaining a good krogan population that doesn't go to war for wars sake.

That or they wipe themselves out.

But the Salarians had no rights to first uplift them and then neuter them. They screwed up and I'm going to make damn sure that the Salarians fix at least the genophage.

Human history isn't as different from theirs, when all comes to all.

Sure the natural evolution would take 1000 of years since they live long natural lives, so old hatreds would have to die out, but still a chance that they should have for themselves.

So no genophage isn't at all "pro-evolution"

Modifié par nhsk, 30 juin 2011 - 07:32 .

[Whatever42]

I think rounding up all the Krogan and forcibly blockading them on their homeworlds is not a tenable position. 

And all the races are exaggarations of human traits. But humans aren't as out of control as the krogans, nor as devious as the Salarians or as sexy as the Asari. In the ME universe as portrayed, the Krogan are clearly a threat to galactic stability but transforming several Krogan worlds into prison camps for thousands of years is not a superior solution to the genophage.

In fact, with Wrex's reforms, we can already see Krogan society adapting to the genophage succesfully. 

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 30 juin 2011 - 07:35 .

[sevach]

How exactly curing the genophage is gonna help stop the Reapers?

Let's look at the timeline:
The Reapers are already rolling around in the Galaxy, destroying Earth, the Batarians etc...

And here we save this fertile female, "introduce her" to Wrex and he immediatly impregnates her.
But how long will it take to form a Krogan army???? When this first batch will be fight ready? How long until the new females can reproduce???

Besides that, i think the genophage was the right decision, given the choice i will not undo it.

[HiPeanut707]

If you don't cure the genophage, the Krogan will hate every species. The old ones will pass down the hate to the children. Those other species are responsible for the destruction of our homeworld. Those other species killed your brothers and sisters. They give and take as they please with us. If they find out there is a cure and that it was held back from them, they will probably be angry at the entire universe until every last Krogan is dead. Intro the cure to those that can be trusted. Not blood pack or the other mercenary gangs. Wrex deserves to have control over the cure. Introduce a genophage that doesn't kill but leaves most babies sterile at birth.

[Terastar]

I am for the genophage but I would like it changed. Wrex seems to accept that it was done and wants to work with it. I feel that Wrex's biggest upset was that so many eggs were fertilized and so many deaths at birth. No one wants to see their children dead at birth.
The gene needs to be modified to work on how many eggs are released and allowed to be fertilized at one time. A more controlled population stabilization is needed with fewer stillborn births. After the Reaper War I would like to see the Krogans develop schools, hospitals and rebuild their infrastructure on their planet.My Commander Shepard is going to need the Krogans to round up the Racnii and perform the same Genophage on them.

[Slayer299]

In ME3 and after I'll either destroy the cure or withhold it from the Krogan because they aren't now or anytime really soon ready to be able to handle the ability to breed unrestricted. Wrex has a good start on things, but he's not going to be around forever.

Without another strong leader to follow in his footsteps the Krogan are too dangerous to be cut loose on the rest of the galaxy because it's the "Paragon" thing to do.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Epic777 wrote...

My opinion the worst case scenario would be the krogan being unified and civilized as a culture/society to cure the genophage themselves. Likely they would still hate the council races and at the same time owe them nothing.

Yet, if they were able to get that far on their own...

[Mako Zalos]

If it's optional I'll only give it to Wrex, who in turn probably rules Tunchanka now, but I'll cure it. It was wrong and most of the galaxy thinks so too. Though Renegade Shep shall destroy the cure.

[-D-C-D-]

The problem with the Krogan uprisings were that they weren't culturally ready to be uplifted; it was a last resort by the council. Centuries have passed since, and the Krogan have become more adept with and accustomed to technology.

In addition to the fact that an army of Wrex would be as massive an ally as the Geth, I think there's only one real answer to that conundrum; we have to undo the genophage.

[procyon8]

I'll cure the genophage without batting an eye. If/when they (rightfully) exact revenge upon the rest of the galaxy after the whole Reaper thing is done, I'd help them. **** the rest of the galaxy for all of the evil **** they did to those poor Krogan. My heart goes out to battle-hardened Wrex.

[Toshir]

daqs wrote...

I prefer the term "Krogan Question", like the Eastern Question and the German Question. "Problem" sounds too Holocausty - "die Endlösung der Kroganfrage"?

Well that's why it's in quotes and besides it's pretty much a genocide.

[Toshir]

sevach wrote...

How exactly curing the genophage is gonna help stop the Reapers?

Sheperd goes to Tuchanka. Someone makes experiments. Cure is almost found. You can choose to save or destroy it.  Destroying it will ****** of Wrex/krogan ruler and you lose their support.  BioWare can easily find a way.

[nhsk]

daqs wrote...

I prefer the term "Krogan Question", like the Eastern Question and the German Question. "Problem" sounds too Holocausty - "die Endlösung der Kroganfrage"?

You understand that "frage" means "question", right?

So your logic is kinda flawed.

Modifié par nhsk, 01 juillet 2011 - 07:16 .

[Ieldra]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...
I have no intention of curing the genophage but I'd rather have Maelon's research data and not need it. The genophage isn't detrimental to maintaining a viable krogan population. The primary contributor to their 'dying race' status is their culture.

This.

What I'd do is get the krogan to accept an obligation to control their population somewhat, then create a new genophage with a lesser reduction in fertility. Wait a hundred years, then check on the progress. Repeat until either the krogan can and will control their population completely on their own or re-introduce an older genophage version.

The problem, of course, is to get the recalcitrant krogan to accept such an obligation in the first place. If they cannot, it might be that the galaxy is better off without them.

(Yes, I notice that parallel: if we humans cannot control our population, then Earth *will* be better off without us)

At the very least it would be nice to remove you from the human race. Its funny how screaming eugenics have been proven wrong, again, again and again. No race is as cruel as humanity, that can judge killing its young as a "needed" out come. Wars or space exploration will handle the dreaded population climb. War has always been good for that. And gee fancy it that the only nation that uses such a policy is going to dump it fully in a couple of years. And ONLY had it as the previous leaders made a cluster **** of the country. In fact said nation has a two child policy now, and is much more lienant on having more. And is set in 2014 to ice the policy all together, while the populations of the West die.

As to the Korgans. Hmm. It was wrong to use population control no matter the terms. Its more humaine to have a blockade and bomb anything moving out to dust. At least it promts an even fight, and a chance for battle. But then again I don't see the krogan as that big of a threat if you can mold them, or give them a puprose....such as shock infantry for the Council?  After all only the smallest section of the Milky Way has been controlled or seen, surely other threats will rise up.

You're saying population decimation by war is preferable to population control? What kind of insane troll logic is that? That may be acceptable for the krogan, but never for humans, and besides that, given an unlimited krogan population growth, it's likely the whole galaxy would need to be at war to counter it. Is "no population control" such an important principle to you that you'd have the galaxy in a permanent state of war in order to maintain it?

And btw, I was not speaking of "killing our young" nor was eugenics anywhere in the picture, but of avoiding having too many children in the first place. If you can't see the value in that, you're walking the world with closed eyes. But then, that has always been the prerogative of the dogmatist. "Let my dogma rule, even if the world burns for it." No thank you. I'd say you'd deserve the inevitable results from such a stance, if the likes of you wouldn't pull all humanity down with them.