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[ThePwener]

[SPOILERS]

Bioware said we'd have to buy ME3 to find the reason that Cerberus wants Shepard dead. I thought there was going to be a great reason only BW could deliver. A month later I see a ME3 demo and one of the developers of BW says that they're indoctrinated. Then Shepard himself says they're indoctrinated. At first I thought BW wanted to mislead us, but minutes later I saw Cerberus forces in what they said was a Heretic Geth base, and then a Reaper spider thing comes out, ect.

So Cerberus got indoctrinated? That's the amazing reason? Not very original. ANd we can't blame it on the Collector Base because it apperantly happens either way.

So is BW misleading us and Shepard only thinks they're indoctrinated? Maybe... or maybe BW got lazy, which I don't want to believe.

[littlezack]

I really don't get why this bothers people so much. Cerberus has a long history of screwing with crap that comes back to bite them in the ass. On top of that, because of the way the organization works, all it would really take was the Illusive Man getting indoctrinated - from there, the Reapers could poison the whole system.

I don't call it lazy. I call it an inevitable conclusion.

[ThePwener]

And Im tired of people's mentally that's Cerberus is an incompetent pack of morons. They brought back a human from death! Dammit, how is that worth nothing!? Saved the human race! Rebuild the Normandy! And this isn't the point either.

[xAngryalbin0x]

littlezack wrote...

I really don't get why this bothers people so much. Cerberus has a long history of screwing with crap that comes back to bite them in the ass. On top of that, because of the way the organization works, all it would really take was the Illusive Man getting indoctrinated - from there, the Reapers could poison the whole system.

I don't call it lazy. I call it an inevitable conclusion.

This. Cerberus only screwed themselves over. I'm not surprised that they got indoctrinated.

[Garrison2009]

My guess is that the Illusive Man is going to be the new Saren in essence. the guy who, once again, believes he's saving organic life by proving our usefulness to the Reapers but is actually being indoctrinated. If they spin it like that, with Shepard trying to show him all through how he's following Saren's exact footsteps, then it could be quite interesting...

[Stukovkh]

I personally think The Illusive man was indoctrinated from the get go. Never trusted Cerberus.

[Bogsnot1]

http://social.biowar...index/5483549/1
hrrp://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/7556691/1
http://social.biowar...index/7551501/1
http://social.biowar...index/7738787/1
http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7589974/1

[MrFob]

I think there is more to it than simple indoctrination (I know Shep says it in the demo but still).
We don't know all the details so wait and see.
That is all.

Modifié par MrFob, 30 juin 2011 - 07:09 .

[RHINOK 9]

They were in close proximity to a captive reaper. Indoctrination could just be an isolated issue with the Cerberus forces in or near the base.

[Kaylord]

TIM as a second Saren? Now, THAT would be boring! :/

[ThePwener]

Garrison2009 wrote...

My guess is that the Illusive Man is going to be the new Saren in essence. the guy who, once again, believes he's saving organic life by proving our usefulness to the Reapers but is actually being indoctrinated. If they spin it like that, with Shepard trying to show him all through how he's following Saren's exact footsteps, then it could be quite interesting...

Exactly! What bothers me is that it's too unoriginal! I wanted something more "HUZZAH!" not what we've already seen. Plus, Shepard is Saren 2.0

[Undertone]

"Cerberus has a lot of history of blabla" - typical Cerberus hater line. You only hear about the failed ones, because you need to assist (Overlord) and because you are in a position to hear about the in the first place. They are not gonna proclaim to the world - Yay we succeeded. Geez.

They revived Shepard, they persuaded the Alliance and Turians to work together to build the first Normandy, they built the second Normandy and so on. And virtually any of their research failed or not produced results that could be used somehow (the Alliance Ascension program). Oh and they saved the Council and the Citadel from the batarian terrorist act.

Anyway yep - another retcon so far and stupid at that. BW worked hard to make Cerberus from "evil" to supposedly "morally grey" in ME2. Making them evil again makes ME2 pointless and irrelevant considering the Illusive Man vows to help Shepard defeat the Reapers.

Still though as much baffled as I am OP let's try and make conclusions after we have played the whole game. I remind that myself a lot.

Modifié par Undertone, 30 juin 2011 - 07:15 .

[Massadonious1]

ThePwener wrote...
 They brought back a human.

Hiring a mercanary doesn't make me a trained killer. Just means I hired a mercanary.

[ThePwener]

Im just amazed how bad they handled it. First they say we have to play the game to find out and afterwards they release a demo with a huge plot killer, and the dev says it so casually too, like they don't care anymore.

They did it wrong.

[CheeseEnchilada]

MrFob wrote...

I think there is more to it than simple indoctrination (I know Shep says it in the demo but still).
We don't know all the details so wait and see.
That is all.

This. The devs seem rather willing to give us this information, which can only mean there's more to it than they've revealed. Why else would they give away a huge plot twist nine months before release? 

[ThePwener]

Massadonious1 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
 They brought back a human.

Hiring a mercanary doesn't make me a trained killer. Just means I hired a mercanary.

I am sorry, but there are so many wrong things with that statement. So resurrection is not that big of a deal anymore? Wow....

[littlezack]

ThePwener wrote...

Im just amazed how bad they handled it. First they say we have to play the game to find out and afterwards they release a demo with a huge plot killer, and the dev says it so casually too, like they don't care anymore.

They did it wrong.

While I'm fine with indoctrination, as people keep saying - there''s probably a little or a lot more to it than just that. There's still a lot we don't know about the Reapers and the Illusive Man. And there's also the possibility that Shepard doesn't have the whole picture.

[ThePwener]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

This. The devs seem rather willing to give us this information, which can only mean there's more to it than they've revealed. Why else would they give away a huge plot twist nine months before release? 

oooor someone dropped the ball big time and got fired for it.

[littlezack]

And I'm not saying that Cerberus isn't smart, just that they - or at least the Illusive Man - have a habit of overestimating their capacity to control things. The Illusive Man makes no apologies and is very upfront in his ways - he makes it clear that there are very few lines he's not willing to cross. That mentality is guaranteed to bite you in the ass.

[GodWood]

littlezack wrote...
I really don't get why this bothers people so much. Cerberus has a long history of screwing with crap that comes back to bite them in the ass. On top of that, because of the way the organization works, all it would really take was the Illusive Man getting indoctrinated - from there, the Reapers could poison the whole system.

I don't call it lazy. I call it an inevitable conclusion.

Because any moral greyness about the organization is lost when you just make them lolindoctrinatedlol.

[xAngryalbin0x]

Maybe Cerberus is pretending to work with the reapers just to find out more about them... and then back-stab them.   /sarcasm

[littlezack]

GodWood wrote...

littlezack wrote...
I really don't get why this bothers people so much. Cerberus has a long history of screwing with crap that comes back to bite them in the ass. On top of that, because of the way the organization works, all it would really take was the Illusive Man getting indoctrinated - from there, the Reapers could poison the whole system.

I don't call it lazy. I call it an inevitable conclusion.

Because any moral greyness about the organization is lost when you just make them lolindoctrinatedlol.

Not nescessarily. Saren was indoctrinated, and he was about morally grey as you can get.

Indoctrination doesn't make Cerberus evil - it's not something they can control or help. It just makes them tools of the Reapers, their puppets.

[Mister Mida]

I find it pretty ironic that Cerberus gets indoctrinated. Because my impression of what's happened in ME: Evolution was that Cerberus was actually an anti-Reaper organisation.

[ThePwener]

xAngryalbin0x wrote...

Maybe Cerberus is pretending to work with the reapers just to find out more about them... and then back-stab them.   /sarcasm

and those aren't bullets, they're pellets!

why didn't you tell Shepard?

We did

oops

*mindsplode*