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[VanTesla]

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...
Some examples of this claim would be the recent Dragon Age 2 DLC, has a major story/plot character, that can have a effect on your end choices, this was complete before the game came out...

The game could have had it come with new copies like the cerberus network or Shale (DAO), but instead they charge it for everyone that did not reserve the special edition... I reserved the special edition, but regret the idea of such a huge piece of content, that is striped purposely to make more money!

If Bioware keeps doing this I believe it will have major repercussions later on. Please don't do this Bioware, I don't want to lose anymore faith in you.

[littlezack]

VanTesla wrote...

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...

Yes. DLC is made because game companies HATE gamers. It makes perfect sense.

[Rockworm503]

If its completely free to everyone i have no problem. Its a rip off plain and simple to blatantly leave stuff out of a game and charge for it DAY 1.
If it ain't free I'm not gonna touch it.
DLC later down the road is acceptable but its not DLC if it should've been in the game from the start.

Reason why I don't spend a cent on the Marvel Vs Capcom 3 characters those ones were found out to be on the disc already (that is unforgivable)
same with Mortal Kombat.  The new chars look awesome but 5 bucks for what obviously was left out of the game just to get more money out of us is unacceptable.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 30 juin 2011 - 07:37 .

[ThePwener]

It's EA, what do you expect?

[Gotholhorakh]

Don't worry about it - I agree, but vote with your wallet. I either:

i) ignore DLC
ii) if I think the game will take the mickey with DLC, leave it until it's cheap and comes with the DLC, so I can get the whole game - or just forget it

Every (let's call it "tonne") every tonne of DLC I anticipate a game having, is a slight disincentive, makes the game a little lighter. and staves off the initial impulse purchase a little further, for me.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 30 juin 2011 - 07:48 .

[AquamanOS]

So long as it's free with a new game, what does it matter? Companies want to make money of their games, which they don't get if you try to be cheap and by a used copy a few days after it launches.

And if you wait awhile until the price difference is significant, paying for the DLC is still a heck of alot cheaper than buying it new.

Modifié par AquamanOS, 30 juin 2011 - 07:58 .

[AlanC9]

VanTesla wrote...

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...
Some examples of this claim would be the recent Dragon Age 2 DLC, has a major story/plot character, that can have a effect on your end choices, this was complete before the game came out...

What makes you think that the DA2 DLC character would have been made at all without the DLC plan?

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 juin 2011 - 07:59 .

[Rockworm503]

ThePwener wrote...

It's EA, what do you expect?

be less obvious about it i guess? lol

[KingNothing125]

The Collector's Edition has a launch character and launch mission(s).

[VanTesla]

littlezack wrote...

VanTesla wrote...

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...

Yes. DLC is made because game companies HATE gamers. It makes perfect sense.

Where did I say hate... When I said spite (offend) towards fans, I mean how they treat us like idiots for letting them do this and we are just going with it... If we don't voice our opinion more and do something, then we will end up with less and less down the road. Just like what's happening in America with not enough people participating in the rights they have to vote, and how certain state politicians are trying to make anyone that goes to college not be able to vote, even if your 18 years or older.
If we just allow things to go on because we are lazy, then we will face the consequences down the road.

[ThePwener]

So suddenly DLC means the end of the world.....

[Rockworm503]

ThePwener wrote...

So suddenly DLC means the end of the world.....

Sigh you don't get it...  Launch DLC is an F-U to gamers and some of us refuse to buy into it.
DLC in general isn't bad.

[VanTesla]

AlanC9 wrote...

VanTesla wrote...

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...
Some examples of this claim would be the recent Dragon Age 2 DLC, has a major story/plot character, that can have a effect on your end choices, this was complete before the game came out...

What makes you think that the DA2 DLC character would have been made at all without the DLC plan?

They already had some of the character data in the disc, and they had the character months ahead of it being out....

[DustxParticle]

I believe [in the case of Mass Effect] that the CE edition is sold at the same cost as the normal version, but the difference is that that's only if you pre-order the CE edition. It's [speculation here] a marketing tactic to encourage more people to buy copies of their product, and since if you pre-order the "better" version and can still get it at 'base cost' it's as good incentive as any to buy the version that comes with the goodies.

Then again, the normal edition may come with DLC card/token things regardless?

Anyway, dunno if that's a universal rule with games and/or retailers, but generally when you pre-order a special version of the game [that doesn't have things like figurines that obviously warrant a higher price] you can get it at the same cost as the base version.

All in all, no matter how you slice it, it'll largely be based on "What's the quickest way we can get a return on our inve$tment on this game?". Just that some reasons are more 'reasonable' than others, for example purposefully leaving content out only to 'sell' it later, yeah.. that's pretty harsh.

[VanTesla]

Rockworm503 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

So suddenly DLC means the end of the world.....

Sigh you don't get it...  Launch DLC is an F-U to gamers and some of us refuse to buy into it.
DLC in general isn't bad.

Agree. I am not saying DLC is bad, but DLC that is obviously part of the main game at launch and selling it seperetly on day one is asinine. DLC that is developed way later after the game is out, like GTA4 (don't even care for it) is great . I don't care for Rockstar games, but they did a fantastic job on how DLC should be done, with GTA4.

[littlezack]

That's not alway the case, though. In quite a few instances of DLC, it's not a case of content being taken out of the game, but content that wasn't meant to be part of the main game to start with.

[Rockworm503]

VanTesla wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

So suddenly DLC means the end of the world.....

Sigh you don't get it...  Launch DLC is an F-U to gamers and some of us refuse to buy into it.
DLC in general isn't bad.

Agree. I am not saying DLC is bad, but DLC that is obviously part of the main game at launch and selling it seperetly on day one is asinine. DLC that is developed way later after the game is out, like GTA4 (don't even care for it) is great . I don't care for Rockstar games, but they did a fantastic job on how DLC should be done, with GTA4.

Oh yeah GTA 4 DLC were seperate games and had their own stories that tied in with the original game companies should use this as a model. Same with RDR Undead Nightmare was great and buying it gives you all the other DLCs for free.

Then they ruin it with LA Noire's DLC which start coming out less than a month after the game....  Yeah their excuse is they couldn't fit it into the disc... then make it a free DL on day one.

[Homebound]

littlezack wrote...

VanTesla wrote...

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...

Yes. DLC is made because game companies HATE gamers. It makes perfect sense.

no they do it for monetary reasons without truly understanding the concept of DLC and its true function in the industry.

[VanTesla]

Rockworm503 wrote...

VanTesla wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

So suddenly DLC means the end of the world.....

Sigh you don't get it...  Launch DLC is an F-U to gamers and some of us refuse to buy into it.
DLC in general isn't bad.

Agree. I am not saying DLC is bad, but DLC that is obviously part of the main game at launch and selling it seperetly on day one is asinine. DLC that is developed way later after the game is out, like GTA4 (don't even care for it) is great . I don't care for Rockstar games, but they did a fantastic job on how DLC should be done, with GTA4.

Oh yeah GTA 4 DLC were seperate games and had their own stories that tied in with the original game companies should use this as a model. Same with RDR Undead Nightmare was great and buying it gives you all the other DLCs for free.

Then they ruin it with LA Noire's DLC which start coming out less than a month after the game....  Yeah their excuse is they couldn't fit it into the disc... then make it a free DL on day one.

I read about that, six disc for the 360... Hey let's compact it into three disc and charge the rest later...

[Rockworm503]

VanTesla wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

VanTesla wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

So suddenly DLC means the end of the world.....

Sigh you don't get it...  Launch DLC is an F-U to gamers and some of us refuse to buy into it.
DLC in general isn't bad.

Agree. I am not saying DLC is bad, but DLC that is obviously part of the main game at launch and selling it seperetly on day one is asinine. DLC that is developed way later after the game is out, like GTA4 (don't even care for it) is great . I don't care for Rockstar games, but they did a fantastic job on how DLC should be done, with GTA4.

Oh yeah GTA 4 DLC were seperate games and had their own stories that tied in with the original game companies should use this as a model. Same with RDR Undead Nightmare was great and buying it gives you all the other DLCs for free.

Then they ruin it with LA Noire's DLC which start coming out less than a month after the game....  Yeah their excuse is they couldn't fit it into the disc... then make it a free DL on day one.

I read about that, six disc for the 360... Hey let's compact it into three disc and charge the rest later...

That excuse falls flat if your on the PS3 lol.  Yeah you used the entire Blu Ray disc sure...

[littlezack]

Hellbound555 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

VanTesla wrote...

Having seperate character and story DLC at launch is just asinine. The reason for my belief is, that it shows content that should have been in the game before release, if it was held back a bit longer and given proper polish, greed on the industry, and spite towars fans...

Yes. DLC is made because game companies HATE gamers. It makes perfect sense.

no they do it for monetary reasons without truly understanding the concept of DLC and its true function in the industry.

Everything games companies do is for monetary reasons. That's why they're companies.

[nhsk]

At least fully integrate character DLC's so you know, you can have conversations with them...

[Mixon]

I like all this CE stuff and characters too.