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[Annihilator27]

Reapers are expendable.

[mauro2222]

Double post

Modifié par mauro2222, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:02 .

[Quole]

What about the drell? No one ever talks about them.

[mauro2222]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Oops, I forgot one.

Someone flying their national flag
That is just pure propaganda used to insite the population to feel "proud" "hey, this is my nation, my home (again) and I´m proud of it" and forget all the crimes that were done

I fly a flag.
Yet I am keenly aware of the bad my nation has done over the course of it's history.
I however choose to focus on the positive things that have been accomplished.
While you seem determined to focus on the negative.

You are unconsciously ingnoring it

Actually I pay a great deal of attention to the various problems going on in the world.
My opinion is not wrong.
Your opinion is not wrong.
So please stop acting like one of us is obviously right while the other is obviously wrong.

Well, sorry I didn´t meant to sound arrogant. It is not my main language so I choose simple words, thats maybe why it sounds agressive.
You are unconsciously ingnoring it. This doesn´t mean that you are blind, it means that you see the problems but you dont try to solve them.

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

You need to see them as tools, not ideals.

I agree with that. They are useful tools that can do a lot of good in the right hands.

Like when? give me examples, please, because the ones that cheescake has given were not useful to me

[Quole]

Drell.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

You need to see them as tools, not ideals.

I agree with that. They are useful tools that can do a lot of good in the right hands.

And a lot of bad in the wrong ones.

Which is why they really are neutral.

[SandTrout]

I think that its worth noting the results of a lack of patriotism and nationalism.

A lack of nationalism results in cultural subversion by outside forces due to a lack of unity. Notable examples include Africa and the Americas during the Colonial Period (1500-1800 aprx.), Germany and Italy until shortly before WW1, and the various Celtic and Gallic tribes during the Roman Empire.

Too much Nationalism can result in violent exclusionism such as what occurred in Germany from 1935-1945, the Balkins in the 1990s, and various African conflicts in the post-colonial time-frame.

A lack of patriotism results in soldiers and officials that are unwilling to do their jobs properly. Soldiers end up surrendering easier and officials are bribed and turned into pawns for foreign powers. Examples include the Greek who subverted the Thermopoli defense by the Spartans against the Persians, Benedict Arnold, and various spies throughout history, most of which never come to light.

Too much patriotism results in isolationism and a dangerously inflated expectation of winnable conflicts. Examples include Germany and Japan circa WW2, The USA in the War of 1812, and the Confederate States in the American Civil War.

Yes, when taken to extremes, both Nationalism and Patriotism can be used to cause great harm, but inadequate amounts of either can be just as harmful.

Modifié par SandTrout, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:45 .

[tobynator89]

SandTrout wrote...

I think that its worth noting the results of a lack of patriotism and nationalism.

A lack of nationalism results in cultural subversion by outside forces due to a lack of unity. Notable examples include Africa and the Americas during the Colonial Period (1500-1800 aprx.), Germany and Italy until shortly before WW1, and the various Celtic and Gallic tribes during the Roman Empire.

Too much Nationalism can result in violent exclusionism such as what occurred in Germany from 1935-1945, the Balkins in the 1990s, and various African conflicts in the post-colonial time-frame.

A lack of patriotism results in soldiers and officials that are unwilling to do their jobs properly. Soldiers end up surrendering easier and officials are bribed and turned into pawns for foreign powers. Examples include the Greek who subverted the Thermopoli defense by the Spartans against the Persians, Benedict Arnold, and various spies throughout history, most of which never come to light.

Too much patriotism results in isolationism and a dangerously inflated expectation of winnable conflicts. Examples include Germany and Japan circa WW2, The USA in the War of 1812, and the Confederate States in the American Civil War.

Yes, when taken to extremes, both Nationalism and Patriotism can be used to cause great harm, but inadequate amounts of either can be just as harmful.

you're thinking too small dividing it down to each combattant faction, what the ME inhabitants NEEDS to be patriotic to here is our level of sentient life in general.

Modifié par tobynator89, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:49 .

[BloodyTalon]

Drell and Vorcha

[SandTrout]

tobynator89 wrote...


you're thinking too small dividing it down to each combattant faction, what the ME inhabitants NEEDS to be patriotic to here is our level of sentient life in general.

Each combatant is where it matters. People need to know that they will be getting something out of any sacrifices they make, and frankly, no species gains enough from another species survival to justify loosing 99% of its population base and potential extinction. Patriotism is, essentially, the belief that you are helping yourself or your family by helping your nation-state. However, even very patriotic soldiers will typically cave in if their family is being held hostage by the enemy, and few will fight for a government responsible for the deaths of their families.

Even though the Council provides a governmental structure to potentially provide a unified front against the Reapers, once the Reapers have been defeated, they will all go back to competing with each other, and the weaker nations will be consumed or suppressed by the stronger nations. Even the Citadel Species are only allies because it is in their best interests, not out of any charitable urge.

I do not expect any species to throw itself suicidally against the Reapers for the benefit of humanity. However, if I must order the fleets to abandon one of the other species in order to gain a needed strategic or tactical advantage, I will make that order. I fully expect other species to be willing to make that same order with regards to Earth. I won't like it, but I will expect and understand it.

[xI extremist Ix]

medcsu wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

medcsu wrote...
 Is it because you were too cowardly to fight for your country in a time of war?

So, I take it you're going to ship off to Afghanistan soon?

No. I served during Bosnia. Have not been in during the Afghan/Iraq 2.0 conflicts. You?

Bosnia? Wow, what was that a week? Grenada gets more credit then Bosnia.

[SandTrout]

To be fair, Saphra, I don't think Mauro is American...

[DarkDragon777]

Expendable Races: Hanar, Drell, Elcor, Volus, Vorcha, Raloi, Yahg

Important Races: Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians, Krogan, Quarians, Batarians, Geth, and possibly Rachni if they were ever to rebuild.

[mauro2222]

SandTrout wrote...

I think that its worth noting the results of a lack of patriotism and nationalism.

A lack of nationalism results in cultural subversion by outside forces due to a lack of unity. Notable examples include Africa and the Americas during the Colonial Period (1500-1800 aprx.), Germany and Italy until shortly before WW1, and the various Celtic and Gallic tribes during the Roman Empire.

Too much Nationalism can result in violent exclusionism such as what occurred in Germany from 1935-1945, the Balkins in the 1990s, and various African conflicts in the post-colonial time-frame.

A lack of patriotism results in soldiers and officials that are unwilling to do their jobs properly. Soldiers end up surrendering easier and officials are bribed and turned into pawns for foreign powers. Examples include the Greek who subverted the Thermopoli defense by the Spartans against the Persians, Benedict Arnold, and various spies throughout history, most of which never come to light.

Too much patriotism results in isolationism and a dangerously inflated expectation of winnable conflicts. Examples include Germany and Japan circa WW2, The USA in the War of 1812, and the Confederate States in the American Civil War.

Yes, when taken to extremes, both Nationalism and Patriotism can be used to cause great harm, but inadequate amounts of either can be just as harmful.

They are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, the method is simple, brainwash with propaganda the people in order make them think that they "belong" to a land with imaginary lines.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Quole wrote...

What about the drell? No one ever talks about them.

No one does because there's only 300,000 or so. We only even meet three in game, and most reside on Kahje anyway. I think most people forget about them.

While I don't see any race as expendable, I do think the drell are going to be in serious trouble. Hundreds of thousands dying in other races is a serious blow, but they can recover. The drell? Not so much.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 02 juillet 2011 - 12:52 .

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...
Like when? give me examples, please, because the ones that cheescake has given were not useful to me

The Indian Wars and World War II (among many others). You can thank the greedy nationalists of the day for the prosperous country you have to day.

Nice try to justify mass murders. You are just as stupid as those who lead the wars. And I´m not for USA.

[medcsu]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

medcsu wrote...
 Is it because you were too cowardly to fight for your country in a time of war?

So, I take it you're going to ship off to Afghanistan soon?

No. I served during Bosnia. Have not been in during the Afghan/Iraq 2.0 conflicts. You?

Bosnia? Wow, what was that a week? Grenada gets more credit then Bosnia.

I suppose ethnic cleansing, the murder of thousands of villagers because of their choice of religion, the skinning of people and hanging them upside down, and the numerous rapes being stopped doesnt mean much in your book?

I swear, some people should honestly never be allowed to reproduce. If you took 5 minutes to look up the atrocity that was the Bosnian war, you may not look like such a complete and total idiot who knows nothing about the world.

Oh, and to add on it. The United States had no stake in that conflict and were sent there to help people (as usual). I should realize cowards/tree huggers such as yourself who know zip about conflict would not have known about Bosnia but the ignorance always does amaze me.

Grenada was before my time anyhow. But here is the million dollar question. What conflict have YOU served in? This should be interesting....

[SandTrout]

mauro2222 wrote...

They are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, the method is simple, brainwash with propaganda the people in order make them think that they "belong" to a land with imaginary lines.

You say they are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, I say that they are methods of populations leveraging their collective weight in the pursuit of a common prosperity. Ununified nations fall to stronger ones and become slaves or are exterminated. This is a fact of life on Earth, and is not limited to humans. Populations of animals and plants regularly displace and compete for the scarce resources available.

Meanwhile, the only ideas that you have expressed with regards to nationalism and patriotism is the removal thereof. You have not clearly expressed any workable goal that you actually seek to achieve except ridiculously impractical ideals that have been historically proven not to work as well as what currently exists.

[medcsu]

Look at all this American hate and where the people who are making the comments live. Sometimes it's funny being so far on the top because those on the bottom make hilarious comments that just ooze jealousy.
Of course, you can explain what YOUR country has done for the betterment of the world. However, I highly doubt any of you have the balls to reveal where you come from, let alone know enough about what could be considered a "benefit" to answer the question.

God Bless the USA. The best country in the world, the strongest country in the world, and a place where everyone wishes they could live.

[medcsu]

SandTrout wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

They are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, the method is simple, brainwash with propaganda the people in order make them think that they "belong" to a land with imaginary lines.

You say they are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, I say that they are methods of populations leveraging their collective weight in the pursuit of a common prosperity. Ununified nations fall to stronger ones and become slaves or are exterminated. This is a fact of life on Earth, and is not limited to humans. Populations of animals and plants regularly displace and compete for the scarce resources available.

Meanwhile, the only ideas that you have expressed with regards to nationalism and patriotism is the removal thereof. You have not clearly expressed any workable goal that you actually seek to achieve except ridiculously impractical ideals that have been historically proven not to work as well as what currently exists.

You just described fanatical liberalism to a tee. Good post. Hard to imagine any of these people you are "dealing" with have even graduated college, left their country, served their country, or know anything of interest about any other country other than their own. YET, they always seem to have opinions that are so unbelievably nuts.

[Bad King]

Someone should have foreseen that this thread would disintegrate into puerile arguments about real world politics.

[mauro2222]

medcsu wrote...

Look at all this American hate and where the people who are making the comments live. Sometimes it's funny being so far on the top because those on the bottom make hilarious comments that just ooze jealousy.
Of course, you can explain what YOUR country has done for the betterment of the world. However, I highly doubt any of you have the balls to reveal where you come from, let alone know enough about what could be considered a "benefit" to answer the question.

God Bless the USA. The best country in the world, the strongest country in the world, and a place where everyone wishes they could live.

Mmm, I didn´t say anything against USA, or any country. I hate the political division of earth, the supposed democracy in which we live and the stupid need of money. My nationality is argentinian, I don´t have any problem making that public, I´m not identified with that adjetive. If you are gonna take any criticism and transforming it into whatever you want to hear is your problem, and you have to solve is for your own.