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[mauro2222]

SandTrout wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

They are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, the method is simple, brainwash with propaganda the people in order make them think that they "belong" to a land with imaginary lines.

You say they are designed to maintain the world divided into nations, I say that they are methods of populations leveraging their collective weight in the pursuit of a common prosperity. Ununified nations fall to stronger ones and become slaves or are exterminated. This is a fact of life on Earth, and is not limited to humans. Populations of animals and plants regularly displace and compete for the scarce resources available.

Meanwhile, the only ideas that you have expressed with regards to nationalism and patriotism is the removal thereof. You have not clearly expressed any workable goal that you actually seek to achieve except ridiculously impractical ideals that have been historically proven not to work as well as what currently exists.

Interesting opinion, but it doesn´t have anything to do with what I wrote. If I say that they divide the world, do you think that I want to keep the world in nations and only eliminate the nationalism and patriotism? I was stating an unified earth, people working with people, not nations using people for "collective" benefits.

[DrNavi]

try to save everyone but the citadel council races (Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians) have priority

Vorcha is most expendable

[The C Trayne]

i play paragon mostly so i doubt i will willingly be sending entire species to their deaths and overall i feel like a major part of the game is getting the different races to fight together instead of just getting them to attack one at a time. if every race could join forces on one planet somewhere with well thought otu strategy A) it would be a kickass fight scene/level to play and likely have greatest chance for victory

[Reapinger]

DrNavi wrote...

try to save everyone but the citadel council races (Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians) have priority

Vorcha is most expendable

PREPARE to have Seboist defending the Vorcha with his very last virtual breath. 

On topic: The Quarians, Vorcha, and Volus are my throwaway races. 

[The Baconer]

Reapinger wrote...
On topic: The Quarians, Vorcha, and Volus are my throwaway races. 

You left out Batarians by mistake, right?

[Bad King]

Reapinger wrote...

DrNavi wrote...

try to save everyone but the citadel council races (Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians) have priority

Vorcha is most expendable

PREPARE to have Seboist defending the Vorcha with his very last virtual breath. 

On topic: The Quarians, Vorcha, and Volus are my throwaway races. 

Seboist is the Vorcha Messiah. :innocent:

Modifié par Bad King, 02 juillet 2011 - 01:40 .

[Reapinger]

Bad King wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

DrNavi wrote...

try to save everyone but the citadel council races (Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians) have priority

Vorcha is most expendable

PREPARE to have Seboist defending the Vorcha with his very last virtual breath. 

On topic: The Quarians, Vorcha, and Volus are my throwaway races. 

Seboist is the Vorcha Messiah. :innocent:

LOL We shall see!! :innocent:

And yes I forgot Batarians but I believe the demo made it pretty clear most of them are reaped. 

[SandTrout]

mauro2222 wrote...

Interesting opinion, but it doesn´t have anything to do with what I wrote. If I say that they divide the world, do you think that I want to keep the world in nations and only eliminate the nationalism and patriotism? I was stating an unified earth, people working with people, not nations using people for "collective" benefits.

It has everything to do with the topic at hand sense you seem to think that it will ever be possible to erase national distinctions, which is a major theme of this thread. Your contension is that sacrificing humanity for the benefit of aliens is acceptable, while those who agree with me contend that doing so is a sign of poor mental health and/or ignorance of history.

I give historical precedent to explain how and why nations exist, and should exist. You just say "nations are bad and do bad things".

As for the common benefits I was talking about, I meant it more in terms of defense from invasion and that sort of thing, but that is really getting off topic.

[mauro2222]

SandTrout wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Interesting opinion, but it doesn´t have anything to do with what I wrote. If I say that they divide the world, do you think that I want to keep the world in nations and only eliminate the nationalism and patriotism? I was stating an unified earth, people working with people, not nations using people for "collective" benefits.

It has everything to do with the topic at hand sense you seem to think that it will ever be possible to erase national distinctions, which is a major theme of this thread. Your contension is that sacrificing humanity for the benefit of aliens is acceptable, while those who agree with me contend that doing so is a sign of poor mental health and/or ignorance of history.

I give historical precedent to explain how and why nations exist, and should exist. You just say "nations are bad and do bad things".

As for the common benefits I was talking about, I meant it more in terms of defense from invasion and that sort of thing, but that is really getting off topic.

Do you really readed what I wrote before? Nations divide people. They exist because it´s easier to see the problem and turn your head, people are too used to leave the problems to another human. Invasion from who? hypothetically assuming that the world is one, someone in lurk for power? against the whole world?. And history is learned for to not make the same mistakes again, because something existed for 1000 years doesn´t make it good, religion is an example.

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 juillet 2011 - 02:20 .

[Pharos]

Nations serve to separate groups of people, 'us' from 'them', though they are not necessarily divisive in and of themselves. As long as language, appearance or location continue to be the difining factor in determining 'us' or 'them' then the nation-state will continue. I doubt humanity will be unified in any appreciable way until there is some other 'them' that makes all humans 'us'. /Pompous Lecture

Anyway, on topic, I don't really like the idea of sacrificing another race...I don't particularly like the Batarians or the Vorcha, and most of the races have elements that aren't exacly lovable, but none of that is grounds for allowing them to be wiped out, let alone actually putting them in a position to be destroyed.

In all honesty, if I was forced into such a position, it would probably depend more on what I was feeling at the time than anything else. In any case, except for the Quarians, no race is really limited enough numerically or geographically to be destroyed outright with a single decision...

[pablodurando]

My paragon Shepard would not sacrifice one race, my renegade would leave only humans, my morals tell me to save everyone no matter the cost, but above all I must SAVE THE YAHG!!!!!!!

[Nashiktal]

After learning the geth philosophy of perspective (which surprisingly came close to my own views) I loath the idea of sacrificing any race. However if it was necessary, I would do so to save the human race.

[XDMMX]

If it aint human, its expendable.

[HiddenKING]

Geth. I've been trying to kill them since ME1, If I'm able to do so in ME3 I'll gladly that the opportunity.

[100k]

Vorcha, Yagh, and the Batarians can die.

[Quole]

Regardless, Im going to make sure humanity dies in ME3.

[Xerxes52]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

Save the Pyjaks 

Nuke the Pyjaks! Then one might mutate into Pyjak-zilla and we could have Kaiju fights with the Reapers.

[Augustei]

Pharos wrote...

Nations serve to separate groups of people, 'us' from 'them', though they are not necessarily divisive in and of themselves. As long as language, appearance or location continue to be the difining factor in determining 'us' or 'them' then the nation-state will continue. I doubt humanity will be unified in any appreciable way until there is some other 'them' that makes all humans 'us'. /Pompous Lecture

Anyway, on topic, I don't really like the idea of sacrificing another race...I don't particularly like the Batarians or the Vorcha, and most of the races have elements that aren't exacly lovable, but none of that is grounds for allowing them to be wiped out, let alone actually putting them in a position to be destroyed.

In all honesty, if I was forced into such a position, it would probably depend more on what I was feeling at the time than anything else. In any case, except for the Quarians, no race is really limited enough numerically or geographically to be destroyed outright with a single decision...

What about Drell or Quarians? I mean sure they are bound to have some members of their race elsewhere from their central population but not enough will be spread elsewhere to sustain a viable population. It will be the protheans all over again

[Augustei]

Quole wrote...

Regardless, Im going to make sure humanity dies in ME3.

I hear that can be accomplished by not playing the game =P
Its the equivalent of Shepard flying off into the sunset in ME2 essentially saying "F*#k Earth"... or dying along with his whole team in the suicide mission

[DoNotIngest]

"...or a talking ass."


HAH! KNEW IT! I knew something was fishy with those damned Elcor, sneaky bastards. I see the connection already; I can't express emotion with my farts, either!

[mauro2222]

Guys, it is confirmed that you can have a bad ending in ME3? I mean an "everyone dies" ending?

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 juillet 2011 - 04:57 .

[mauro2222]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Pharos wrote...

Nations serve to separate groups of people, 'us' from 'them', though they are not necessarily divisive in and of themselves. As long as language, appearance or location continue to be the difining factor in determining 'us' or 'them' then the nation-state will continue. I doubt humanity will be unified in any appreciable way until there is some other 'them' that makes all humans 'us'. /Pompous Lecture

Anyway, on topic, I don't really like the idea of sacrificing another race...I don't particularly like the Batarians or the Vorcha, and most of the races have elements that aren't exacly lovable, but none of that is grounds for allowing them to be wiped out, let alone actually putting them in a position to be destroyed.

In all honesty, if I was forced into such a position, it would probably depend more on what I was feeling at the time than anything else. In any case, except for the Quarians, no race is really limited enough numerically or geographically to be destroyed outright with a single decision...

What about Drell or Quarians? I mean sure they are bound to have some members of their race elsewhere from their central population but not enough will be spread elsewhere to sustain a viable population. It will be the protheans all over again

Beatiful as it sounds.

[ubermensch007]

XxDeonxX wrote...

So how far are you willing to go to save earth? What races to you are expendable to send in as cannon...well reaper fodder to buy earth a bit more time? And what races do you place as a priority? and if you had to choose between earth and the other races which would you choose?

For me im pretty much cool with sacrificing every race in the galexy to save earth... well except for humans of course. But I will be sacrificing the Asari last if it needs to be done, Batarians I will send in to their death even if unecessary lol. Turians are a low priority seeing as General Septimus and Garrus are the only decent ones. Geth are a high priority for me though.

So only really care about Humans, Asari and Geth... All but humans are expendable for me though.

What about you? What value do you place on each of the races and which do you want to save over the others?

You know when I saw how many people have posted in this thread ( 390 ) in a mere 24 hour span of time and saw that the name of this thread is contraversial ( Expendable Races ) I had thought that there was some serious discussion and debate going on here, but after reading a few post from the first page I have to say, No offense meant but is this OP ( along with some that follow it ) a sick joke or something ?! I have been around these parts long enough now to know that perhaps more than not, if a thread has a gagillion post in a short amount of time, its probably a thread that's gone Rogue:devil:  Like the  "Is BioWare going to explain why no LI is pregnant ? " Thread. I personally thought the OP in that thread asked a good question in the wrong way and I gave a serious reply and I shall do the same here... When I watched the Mass Effect 3 " Fall of Earth Trailer " www.youtube.com/watch When it said, " The War For Earth Has Begun -- Decide How It Ends " I couldn't help myself... I sort of blurted out : **** the Earh !! Akin to how during the 3rd season of HBO's Hit Series : True Blood,―Russell Edgington said and I quote, " **** The Authority !! " I  ( could almost ) SWARE TO CHRIST : If Mass Effect 3 is all about saving planet Earth, I will break my ME 3 Game Disc !!  I am not anticpating playing ME 3 so much, b/c the people of Earth are in peril and only I, as Commander Shepard can save them :rollseyes: 
To answer your question which it might have been better if you phrased as :
"Which alien race do you see as being an asset or liabilty in the War with the Reapers ? " Instead of " Expendable Races" As I said during my talk with Liara T' Soni, during our date in my quarters on the Normandy SR 2, when she asked me :

" What are you fighting for ? " ( Conversational Wheel Choice : " LIFE EVERYWHERE " )

I guess I'm fighting for us. For all of us... People are messy, awkward and sometimes selfish or cruel.But they're trying...And I'm going to make sure that they have a chance !! " Liara's response : " That's alot of responsibilty...I hope the galaxay proves itself worthy of the effort your putting in to save it. "

I have to say, after reading some of the disheartening post in this thread I think ( as Commander Shepard ) that I might not save some of you !! And in case you've forgotten, Earth is the planet that needs help. Not the alien worlds. Perhaps you should be more concerned with the possibilty that these alien races that you seem to despise and have contempt for, may see Earthian Human lives as " Expendable " especially if you went into Mass Effect 2 with a ME 1 Renegade : Battle of The Citadel Ending...

Now concerning the fate of planet Earth, let me put it like this, If I had to choose betwixt saving The Earth or The Citadel : 98.9 % of the time, I would save The Citadel... for it is the true " City of Tomorrow " A Space Metopolis " with no rival. I love this planet.Everything I know, care about, expierenced and love has occured right here on the 3rd planet from the sun. The Earth is our living space, workplace , playground and battlefield... Some people are homeless -- Some live in low income housing -- Others condiminums -- Some others : The Suburbs -- And others higher up : Multi-million dollar Mansions...Rappers may gloat about thier 'bling bling and what not, some trust fund babies like Paris Hilton may have a " I'm rich ****, I can do as I please " : attitude.. On the surface, our living arrangements may differ but in truth we are not all that differnt from the ' Pod People ' of The Matrix : For we all have this in common : We all still live at home with our mother -- " Mother Earth " that is. :innocent: We are still a ' Pre Space Faring Civilization ' everything else, is an illusion...In the world of Mass Effect, humanity has finally moved out ( established Off - World Colonies ) And while many may still be fond of thier childhood home ( Earth ) Children are suppose to eventually grow up and leave the nest. Independence is part of our birthright... I find it actually kind of highly ironic that the first trailer for Mass Effect 3 takes place in London. Because I was about to say that America begin with colonist ; who later gained independence from their ancestral home.I'm very interested to see how human colonist on multiple worlds will react to the news of The War for Earth...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:07 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

medcsu wrote...

Look at all this American hate and where the people who are making the comments live. Sometimes it's funny being so far on the top because those on the bottom make hilarious comments that just ooze jealousy.
Of course, you can explain what YOUR country has done for the betterment of the world. However, I highly doubt any of you have the balls to reveal where you come from, let alone know enough about what could be considered a "benefit" to answer the question.

God Bless the USA. *The best country in the world, the strongest country in the world, and **a place where everyone wishes they could live.

*That is a matter of opinion
**Not everyone wishes they could live in the U.S Mr. Troll.

Many nations have made major contributions to the condition of our world.
Gunpowder from China.
Writing from the Middle East, China, India, and Egypt.
Philosophy from Greece.
The basis of most western law from Rome.
The concept of democracy from Greece.
The groundwork that became America and Canada from Great Britain.
Dynamite from Sweeden.
Bioware from Canada.
English as the worlds lingua franca from you guessed it Great Britain.
Great works of art from all over the world.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:26 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

If it really came down to it I'd sacrifice the Vorcha, Blinks, and Asari.