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[Sheppard-Commander]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Destroying Earth is basically dooming the human species to the role of servants to the other species, not unlike the drell.

What? How do you get to that conclusion? There are tens (if not hundreds) of millions of humans that arent on Earth. Elysium? Eden Prime? Bekenstein? Terra Nova? Thats just off the top of my head. Unlike the Drell, Humans have spread across the galaxy, and who really believes humans would ever accept being a pet species like the Drell are to the Hanar?

It would be a massive blow to galactic human population numbers, but it in no way would doom humanity. Hundreds of millions of humans across many colonies is a huge difference from hundreds of thousands of drell on one planet.

All those colonies depend on Alliance while Alliance depends on Earth's most powerful nations.

No Earth, no more of this nations.
No more of this nations means no more backing for Alliance.
Alliance can't then protect those colonies without being some sort of vassals for Council.

 Most of those colonies already go without direct Alliance military support, instead relying on local militias. Each of those planets has the rescources needed to sustain and grow their respective human populations..

Humanity wouldnt shrivel up and die just because Earth is lost. By your line of thought, the American colonies should have collapsed when we declared independence from Great Britain...after all, they had no nation backing them anymore, right?

[mauro2222]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Destroying Earth is basically dooming the human species to the role of servants to the other species, not unlike the drell.

What? How do you get to that conclusion? There are tens (if not hundreds) of millions of humans that arent on Earth. Elysium? Eden Prime? Bekenstein? Terra Nova? Thats just off the top of my head. Unlike the Drell, Humans have spread across the galaxy, and who really believes humans would ever accept being a pet species like the Drell are to the Hanar?

It would be a massive blow to galactic human population numbers, but it in no way would doom humanity. Hundreds of millions of humans across many colonies is a huge difference from hundreds of thousands of drell on one planet.

All those colonies depend on Alliance while Alliance depends on Earth's most powerful nations.

No Earth, no more of this nations.
No more of this nations means no more backing for Alliance.
Alliance can't then protect those colonies without being some sort of vassals for Council.

??? The reason why the alliance was created, was because none of the earth nations had the strength to colonize worlds. The earth nations are a single planet divided, its stupid in every single way. Alliance is a cosmpolitan entity, all human races and cultures are united under alliance`s banner. The only backing that earth represents is the birth world of our species, is a symbol, not the cuspide of power or freewill of the Alliance. And the council doesn`t have any jurisdiction on the alliance navy for what we know

[nhsk]

Quarians, Geth, Rachni

Quarians created Geth
Geth are just machines, don't care how many emotions they synthesize
Rachni, well, cool if they survive and keep on 1 planet but rather indifferent, way to alien for me - I hate spiders in RL too... Gods worst mistake, what a mess up, to try to fix his insect day...

[mauro2222]

Arcian wrote...

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

By your line of thought, the American colonies should have collapsed when we declared independence from Great Britain...after all, they had no nation backing them anymore, right?

The American colonies didn't have trillions of aliens and a pan-galactic, multilateral government casting a shadow over them.

No of course, instead, they had an entire world with multilateral goverments casting shadows over them, like all countries who ever become independent of another nation.

[Sheppard-Commander]

Arcian wrote...

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

By your line of thought, the American colonies should have collapsed when we declared independence from Great Britain...after all, they had no nation backing them anymore, right?

The American colonies didn't have trillions of aliens and a pan-galactic, multilateral government casting a shadow over them.

No. But they had an imminent and bloody war for independance against a better armed/supplied military as well as a hostile continent filled with indigenous peoples that would have to be dealt with. If Earth where destroyed in the Reapers defeat, what obsticle is there for the human colonies? pirates? eh. even with a population of only a few million, you can expect several hundred thousand humans fit for service if a draft is needed. Technology wont just disintigrate if Earth is lost, so rebuilding a colonial navy isnt impossible either.

[CroGamer002]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

 Most of those colonies already go without direct Alliance military support, instead relying on local militias. Each of those planets has the rescources needed to sustain and grow their respective human populations..

Humanity wouldnt shrivel up and die just because Earth is lost. By your line of thought, the American colonies should have collapsed when we declared independence from Great Britain...after all, they had no nation backing them anymore, right?

I didn't said they would die, nor did Arcian.

But they would be doomed like Quarians without Council support.
Some colonies can do without Alliance, but that's not helping humanity as a whole.

[gunswordfist]

Having a planet with billions of people still won't change the fact that there are trillions of aliens. I don't see your point

[DoNotIngest]

I like how people insist on preserving the "race" of AIs above many actual, organic cultures.

[CroGamer002]

mauro2222 wrote...

??? The reason why the alliance was created, was because none of the earth nations had the strength to colonize worlds. The earth nations are a single planet divided, its stupid in every single way. Alliance is a cosmpolitan entity, all human races and cultures are united under alliance`s banner. The only backing that earth represents is the birth world of our species, is a symbol, not the cuspide of power or freewill of the Alliance. And the council doesn`t have any jurisdiction on the alliance navy for what we know

Wrong, very wrong.

Read the Codex about Earth and Alliance.

Alliance depends on Earth's most powerful nations nations.
They only represent humanity to aliens and when there's a galactic war they can do decisions without bickering between Earth nations.

Modifié par Mesina2, 30 juin 2011 - 07:01 .

[HTTP 404]

Arcian is right, humans will no longer have as much weight in the galaxy with earth and its population gone.

[Barquiel]

XxDeonxX wrote...

So how far are you willing to go to save earth? What races to you are expendable to send in as cannon...well reaper fodder to buy earth a bit more time? And what races do you place as a priority?

Maybe vorcha or quarians
But I wouldn't sacrifice one of the main alien races to save earth. Asari and Volus have priority

[Sheppard-Commander]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

 Most of those colonies already go without direct Alliance military support, instead relying on local militias. Each of those planets has the rescources needed to sustain and grow their respective human populations..

Humanity wouldnt shrivel up and die just because Earth is lost. By your line of thought, the American colonies should have collapsed when we declared independence from Great Britain...after all, they had no nation backing them anymore, right?

I didn't said they would die, nor did Arcian.

But they would be doomed like Quarians without Council support.
Some colonies can do without Alliance, but that's not helping humanity as a whole.

"Doomed" is so different then dying out, right?

No. Virtually any and every colony has the means to be self-reliant if need be. You have offered nothing but your opinion that humanity would be "doomed" even in the face of the facts and scenarios I have offered where in similar situations, humanity has not only survived but prospered.

Humanity as a whole...as if the remaining Human colonies wouldnt band together for mutual defense when the council has rarely (if ever) lifted a finger to assist Humanity.

In short, you are wrong.

[Seboist]

A galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

A galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving.

What's so special about humanity, anyway? The games keeps telling us that they're special, but I have never seen anything that puts them above any other race beyond their fleets.

I'd rather let humanity die out to end their little charade once and for all.

[CroGamer002]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

"Doomed" is so different then dying out, right?

Yeap.

No. Virtually any and every colony has the means to be self-reliant if need be. You have offered nothing but your opinion that humanity would be "doomed" even in the face of the facts and scenarios I have offered where in similar situations, humanity has not only survived but prospered.

By losing 99% of their population, homeworld and most of their fleet and army, humanity would prosper?!

Humanity as a whole...as if the remaining Human colonies wouldnt band together for mutual defense when the council has rarely (if ever) lifted a finger to assist Humanity.

Alliance is part of the Council and it would be their duty to protect them when in need.
They didn't do anything illegal like Quarians with Geth to leave them.
There's no excuse for them to do it and any future race would say f*ck you to Council for abandoning race for no reason but not liking them.


Also humans would sacrifice their own homeworld, I think they would change their minds on humanity after that.

In short, you are wrong.

I'm not.

Modifié par Mesina2, 30 juin 2011 - 07:16 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

A galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving.

What's so special about humanity, anyway? The games keeps telling us that they're special, but I have never seen anything that puts them above any other race beyond their fleets.

I'd rather let humanity die out to end their little charade once and for all.

If you think about it, Mass Effect, in its very simplest form, is about humanity proving itself a worthy part of the greater galactic community and a trusted/respected citizen of the galaxy. This was literally the first bit of exposition we heard at the beginning of the trilogy. So, in a way, you can think of humanity as pivotal and therefore special. I just hope it isn't taken to ridiculous lengths is all.

[Arrow70]

Only the space cows and gas bags are worth saving!

[Clover Rider]

 No race will fully die(need them for spin-offs) but I would love if the Asari lost most of their power.

[Schneidend]

Arcian wrote...

Inb4 batarians.

Also, quarians are extremely expendable. Worst species ever.

EDIT: Seriously, I'd save everyone but the quarians. Quarians are the only species in the entire galaxy who isn't doing something useful.

Yeah, except for that huge fleet of ships, mechanical expertise, and more bodies they bring to the table.