lovgreno wrote...
I agree, solid argumantation and logic there Knightblu.The Baconer wrote...
knightnblu wrote...
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Very beautifully put. But, honestly. Batarians.
Batarians aren't too bad. Unless you are colonist Shepard.
Modifié par Legion_Geth, 30 juin 2011 - 08:08 .
Saphra Deden wrote...
DoNotIngest wrote...
I like how people insist on preserving the "race" of AIs above many actual, organic cultures.
They are misguided, lost souls. It is a tragic... but they must be euthanized.
Sheppard-Commander wrote...
What does our homeworld really matter in this?
armass wrote...
No one is expendable, and i would dread to even think that way. How can you?
Seriously, some people here speak so casually about genocide or even second hand genocide it does more than just raises my eyebrow. Even if it is just imagination, i wouldnt joke about or speak so casually about genocide of an entire species. We are talking about exterminating an entire species of sapient beings here, this is unlike anything real life humans have yet experienced, save for the neanderthals(and even they died out on their own, they werent killed off).
It's easy to joke about something horrible you have never experienced first hand. If you did, your mind would change so fast.
DarthSliver wrote...
I will straight up and say I wont get kill any race, I will let their ignorance kill themselves. Per example when it comes to the Geth and Quarians, I would choose the Geth because its clear the Quarians are at fault with the war against the Geth from my point of view. Geth want to make peace with their maker but their maker, to this day are still bent of destroying the Geth. Its like the Quarians never heard of History class, which helps us not to make the same mistake. But to the point again I will let the Races Ignorance destroy them, not my actions. So to the side note to this I am willing to take this Chaos as a moment wipe certain factions out.
Someone With Mass wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
I will straight up and say I wont get kill any race, I will let their ignorance kill themselves. Per example when it comes to the Geth and Quarians, I would choose the Geth because its clear the Quarians are at fault with the war against the Geth from my point of view. Geth want to make peace with their maker but their maker, to this day are still bent of destroying the Geth. Its like the Quarians never heard of History class, which helps us not to make the same mistake. But to the point again I will let the Races Ignorance destroy them, not my actions. So to the side note to this I am willing to take this Chaos as a moment wipe certain factions out.
Oh gee whiz, I wonder why the quarians can't get over the geth. It's not like the geth committed genocide or something, right?
Guest_Arcian_*
Genocide and war are two very different things. The quarians shot first, so the geth retaliation, no matter how harsh, was fair game.Someone With Mass wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
I will straight up and say I wont get kill any race, I will let their ignorance kill themselves. Per example when it comes to the Geth and Quarians, I would choose the Geth because its clear the Quarians are at fault with the war against the Geth from my point of view. Geth want to make peace with their maker but their maker, to this day are still bent of destroying the Geth. Its like the Quarians never heard of History class, which helps us not to make the same mistake. But to the point again I will let the Races Ignorance destroy them, not my actions. So to the side note to this I am willing to take this Chaos as a moment wipe certain factions out.
Oh gee whiz, I wonder why the quarians can't get over the geth. It's not like the geth committed genocide or something, right?
Bnol wrote...
Except the Quarians started the war for the express purpose of destroying the Geth as a sentient entity. The geth defended themselves like one would expected from any self-award entity. The geth did not pursue the Quarians after they fled.
Pride Demon wrote...
It's OT but here's something...
Aside from the population, a society to recover from a disaster needs a healthy economy...
A healthy economy must have a good balance between production (primary sector, like production of food and resources), processing (secondary sector, that is industry) and distribution of services (tertiary sector)...
Oversimplifying: Primary (farming, mining, fishing, woodcutting, etc...) "produces" the raw resources by taking them from the planet and gives them to secondary, into the secondary there's heavy and light industry...
Heavy industry (chemical plants, foundries, etc...) takes resouces and produces semi-processed goods for the rest of the industrial complex (that is light industry), that proceeds to create goods for the end users...
Tertiary takes it from there and gives services and goods to people...
It's strongly implied in the game (and in the codex) how almost the total of human heavy industry is still on Earth...
If you think about it, all the colonies have only an extremely extensive primary sector (Eden Prime and Horizon are basically gigantic farms, Freedom's Progress is a giant mine instead) and a limited tertiary (food distribution, docking and custom registring, etc...), but there is no industrial complex whatsoever there, or at least no industrial complex extensive enough to sustain indipendent economies...
The only possible exceptions are Terra Nova (supposedly the biggest human colony), of which we know little to nothing, and Bekenstein, which however specializes in manifacture of expensive goods (light industry, thus depending on other for the semi-processed goods needed to their economy)...
So really without Earth humanity might survive, but it would be economically crippled for years due to lack of heavy industry: each and every single colony would have to undergo a personal "industrial revolution" all over again...
That's my opinion anyway...
Someone With Mass wrote...
That's like saying: I nuked the northern hemisphere in self-defense because some guy tried to kill me.
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 30 juin 2011 - 08:55 .
Someone With Mass wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
I will straight up and say I wont get kill any race, I will let their ignorance kill themselves. Per example when it comes to the Geth and Quarians, I would choose the Geth because its clear the Quarians are at fault with the war against the Geth from my point of view. Geth want to make peace with their maker but their maker, to this day are still bent of destroying the Geth. Its like the Quarians never heard of History class, which helps us not to make the same mistake. But to the point again I will let the Races Ignorance destroy them, not my actions. So to the side note to this I am willing to take this Chaos as a moment wipe certain factions out.
Oh gee whiz, I wonder why the quarians can't get over the geth. It's not like the geth committed genocide or something, right?
) to get over it, and from an alliance!
Arcian wrote...
Genocide and war are two very different things. The quarians shot first, so the geth retaliation, no matter how harsh, was fair game.Someone With Mass wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
I will straight up and say I wont get kill any race, I will let their ignorance kill themselves. Per example when it comes to the Geth and Quarians, I would choose the Geth because its clear the Quarians are at fault with the war against the Geth from my point of view. Geth want to make peace with their maker but their maker, to this day are still bent of destroying the Geth. Its like the Quarians never heard of History class, which helps us not to make the same mistake. But to the point again I will let the Races Ignorance destroy them, not my actions. So to the side note to this I am willing to take this Chaos as a moment wipe certain factions out.
Oh gee whiz, I wonder why the quarians can't get over the geth. It's not like the geth committed genocide or something, right?
Bnol wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
I will straight up and say I wont get kill any race, I will let their ignorance kill themselves. Per example when it comes to the Geth and Quarians, I would choose the Geth because its clear the Quarians are at fault with the war against the Geth from my point of view. Geth want to make peace with their maker but their maker, to this day are still bent of destroying the Geth. Its like the Quarians never heard of History class, which helps us not to make the same mistake. But to the point again I will let the Races Ignorance destroy them, not my actions. So to the side note to this I am willing to take this Chaos as a moment wipe certain factions out.
Oh gee whiz, I wonder why the quarians can't get over the geth. It's not like the geth committed genocide or something, right?
Except the Quarians started the war for the express purpose of destroying the Geth as a sentient entity. The geth defended themselves like one would expected from any self-award entity. The geth did not pursue the Quarians after they fled.
Modifié par DoNotIngest, 30 juin 2011 - 09:05 .
Someone With Mass wrote...
Bnol wrote...
Except the Quarians started the war for the express purpose of destroying the Geth as a sentient entity. The geth defended themselves like one would expected from any self-award entity. The geth did not pursue the Quarians after they fled.
That's like saying: I nuked the northern hemisphere in self-defense because some guy tried to kill me.
Bnol wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Bnol wrote...
Except the Quarians started the war for the express purpose of destroying the Geth as a sentient entity. The geth defended themselves like one would expected from any self-award entity. The geth did not pursue the Quarians after they fled.
That's like saying: I nuked the northern hemisphere in self-defense because some guy tried to kill me.
How is that even the same. The geth became self-aware because of their networking. The only way to eliminate this would be to eliminate a huge amount of geth, not just one program (ala your analogy). The Quarian government declared an immediate termination of all Geth programs (analogous to genocide) and they didn't know how far the Geth progressed and how integrated they were when they started the Morning War. The Geth learned what they were doing and retaliated. We don't even know if either side attempted any diplomacy. In the end, the Quarians fled their planets and the Geth did not pursue.
Modifié par DoNotIngest, 30 juin 2011 - 09:16 .
You can not say that your wiev of "reality" is the only true one unless you are all knowing. Reality is what you choose to make it. Or in this case, choosing political agenda. Fighting alone against many enemies or fighting along many allies against few enemies is what makes the difference between winners and losers in a war. For those fighting for humanitys survival in the ME world the choice should be easy. Together the galaxy stands or it will fall.SandTrout wrote...
While I don't relish the thought of condemning a species to extinctions, I have to look after my own before I can look after anyone else.
Every other species will burn before I allow humanity to fall, if necessary. People can talk about 'Unity' and 'Transcendence' through sacrifice all they want, but if our species is extinct, then we will not be united or transcended. We will be dead.
Reality has a knack for reminding people that ideals and rhetoric are no match for the cold, hard facts of the situation. People adapt to Reality; Reality does not bend to People.
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