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[phantomdragoness]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Heh, you sound like you've already made up your mind about him. But I'll contribute:

Jacob has settled his problems before the mission takes place. He's a highly professional man who doesn't like to let anyone in, and while he's friendly, he isn't nearly as open as the rest of your squad. He doesn't need to be helped. He doesn't need to use Shepard as an emotional crutch. Subsequently, he doesn't get a lot of character development. He stays the same throughout the game, which can turn a lot of players off. Personally, I loved that there was someone stable and sane on my crew, and if you ignore Femshep's dialog and the 'priiize' line, his romance isn't half bad. He's the only one minus Liara who ever asks how Shepard feels.

He's not everyone's cup of tea, and his weak build doesn't help much. But what one person finds boring another finds interesting.

Very true. Jacob is the only guy (next to Kaidan) who does not need to be "fixed". If a Shepard doesn't want any drama in a relationship, they are good choices. Kaidan at least develops somewhat in ME1 - Jacob pretty much stays the same, and that is a turn off for gamers wanting a good story. But like you said, his problems are settled before the mission starts, and he is very professional. He opened up enough to ask for Shepard's help, but if you ask questions about it his walls shoot up. Usually, anyone who has that thick a wall around them suggests a need to guard ones self constantly from hurt or disappointment - his father affected him more than he wants to think. Either that, or he's just the most emotionally stable guy on the Normandy. As Joker said: "We can only hold so much crazy."

I have a lot of respect for Jacob...just not as an LI. I like character development.

[CroGamer002]

I'm not Jacob fans and is my least favorite squadmate after Morinth in Mass Effect( Liara got away with LotSB) and I want to have him at least as temp squadmate with important mission.

Jacob's character can still be saved.


Happen with Liara in LotSB.
Though reason why is she still in low spot is because of favoritism and plot armor.

Modifié par Mesina2, 30 juin 2011 - 09:27 .

[BatmanPWNS]

His there so I know I am not surrounded by crazy and unstable people.

[ADLegend21]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Jacob said...

Hey Shepard, I told you I was all stable and forgettable and boring and whatnot, and I'd settled my problems, but I just found out my Daddy might be on a tropical island in a throne. Oh, and he made all of his crew retarded, uses the men for target practice and rapes the women for S&Gs.

I wouldn't tell you this, as I'm so composed and professional and obviously know how to solve my own problems, but... Oh nevermind, I'm not.

Did I mention "The Priiize"?

(sorry, thread was disproportionately pro-Jacob, I'm just keeping the balance)


I do find him pretty boring, and an @ss at times*, but it's not like I'd send him down the shaft for it.




*Jacob: Hey Tali, I'm being respectful to you, you're great in combat and a great engineer, you're being a b*tch to me but I can understand that since I chose to work for Cerberus to save the galaxy. oh before I forget, we have an AI on the ship so I'm givng you a heads up so she doesn't startle you.

Fix'd

[Siansonea]

What makes Jacob awesome? Well, if you get too needy with him, he'll tell you to GTFO. Instant ups for Jacob in my book. Shepard has too many hopelessly devoted types hanging off him/her as it is, it's nice to see that somebody will tell Shepard "how about no" if Shepard douches out.

[DoNotIngest]

ADLegend21 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Jacob said...

Hey Shepard, I told you I was all stable and forgettable and boring and whatnot, and I'd settled my problems, but I just found out my Daddy might be on a tropical island in a throne. Oh, and he made all of his crew retarded, uses the men for target practice and rapes the women for S&Gs.

I wouldn't tell you this, as I'm so composed and professional and obviously know how to solve my own problems, but... Oh nevermind, I'm not.

Did I mention "The Priiize"?

(sorry, thread was disproportionately pro-Jacob, I'm just keeping the balance)


I do find him pretty boring, and an @ss at times*, but it's not like I'd send him down the shaft for it.




*Jacob: Hey Tali, I'm being respectful to you, you're great in combat and a great engineer, you're being a b*tch to me but I can understand that since I chose to work for Cerberus to save the galaxy. oh before I forget, we have an AI on the ship so I'm givng you a heads up so she doesn't startle you.

Fix'd

Jack: HAHAHA YOU THINK SHE'S A B!TCH?! *blows up random object*



There, now leave me alone

[Siansonea]

DoNotIngest wrote...

*le snip*

*Jacob: Hey Tali, make sure to see your beloved old rebuilt ship's NEW AI, TROLOLOL!

*Jacob: Hey Garrus, you're a cuttle-bone! Yeah! Like the cartiledge spine of a cuttlefish! Even though you're really avian/reptilian! Problem?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the REAL reason people dislike Jacob. If he was a Garrus/Tali buttkisser, I think he'd be a LOT more popular. Personally I think his lack of fawning attitude is refreshing. He's polite to Tali even after she's a b¡tch toward him, and only douchey toward Garrus if he's a romantic rival, but that's enough for a lot of people to put him in the Against Garrus And Tali column, and that's an automatic Rocket To The Face. He's more d¡ckish toward Thane than anyone else, but you'll all notice that this is rarely a problem for folks. 

Modifié par Siansonea II, 30 juin 2011 - 09:48 .

[Bachi1230]

mrsph wrote...

Some people kill him for having a prior relationship with Miranda, or because Kasumi is attracted to him.

Jacob just can't win in this world of love interest rivalry.

Killing characters over past or potential LIs/rivalries?

[Clover Rider]

Siansonea II wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

*le snip*

*Jacob: Hey Tali, make sure to see your beloved old rebuilt ship's NEW AI, TROLOLOL!

*Jacob: Hey Garrus, you're a cuttle-bone! Yeah! Like the cartiledge spine of a cuttlefish! Even though you're really avian/reptilian! Problem?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the REAL reason people dislike Jacob. If he was a Garrus/Tali buttkisser, I think he'd be a LOT more popular. Personally I think his lack of fawning attitude is refreshing. He's polite to Tali even after she's a b¡tch toward him, and only douchey toward Garrus if he's a romantic rival, but that's enough for a lot of people to put him in the Against Garrus And Tali column, and that's an automatic Rocket To The Face. He's more d¡ckish toward Thane than anyone else, but you'll all notice that this is rarely a problem for folks. 

It is not that hard to see why Tali was upset with him but I don't see it as a big deal to go as far as to hate Jacob same with the Garrus line.

But hey I put Tali, Garrus and Jacob all in the cool characters bucket.

[Sjaddix]

Lol that is funny but true.

[VegasVance]

I like Jacob because he asks to be sent on a suicide mission thus allowing more important characters to do more important things.

Edit: Also him being bit-chy about assassins yet working for Cerberfailus seems hypocritical at best. 

Modifié par VegasVance, 30 juin 2011 - 10:42 .

[Mr Kazett]

I like Jacob he's a straight up soldier like Shepard. He is obviously skilled and grounded. I mostly like Jacob because I can see him taking up Shepard's role.

I feel that if Shepard wasn't Shepard. If Shepard had died on Akuze, or something, Jacob would have been the First Human Spectre. He's skilled, he's a leader, he does what he feel is right. He has the same qualities that my Shepard does, and I respect him because of it.

[DoNotIngest]

Siansonea II wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

*le snip*

*Jacob: Hey Tali, make sure to see your beloved old rebuilt ship's NEW AI, TROLOLOL!

*Jacob: Hey Garrus, you're a cuttle-bone! Yeah! Like the cartiledge spine of a cuttlefish! Even though you're really avian/reptilian! Problem?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the REAL reason people dislike Jacob. If he was a Garrus/Tali buttkisser, I think he'd be a LOT more popular. Personally I think his lack of fawning attitude is refreshing. He's polite to Tali even after she's a b¡tch toward him, and only douchey toward Garrus if he's a romantic rival, but that's enough for a lot of people to put him in the Against Garrus And Tali column, and that's an automatic Rocket To The Face. He's more d¡ckish toward Thane than anyone else, but you'll all notice that this is rarely a problem for folks. 

Right. Because making fun of someone for being forced to stay in the company of their race's downfall is totally cool, after they've insulted your boss, who you've already told the their person in the room (Shepard) that you don't trust whatsoever.

And name-calling because you're jealous? class right there.


I knew he'd been douchey to others, and Thane did seem like it might have been him, but I couldn't remember, so I kept my mouth shut. I don't post things I'm not 100% sure of or things that are complete opinionated bullsh!t.




...Except when I'm just joking around, which is what I made clear in my post which you shat all over.

[lazuli]

mrsph wrote...

Jacob does have a character flaw. He bottles up his emotions and refuses to talk about his feelings, which if you pester him about on his romance path, he breaks up with you.

This goes against everything people expect because they want characters to spill their guts to them.

And yet when (male) characters do spill their guts, they are accused of being too whiny.  I agree, though.  Jacob's character flaw is that he represses his emotions.  He's a very private person.

[outmane]

My problem with Jacob being normal and stable is that we do not see him taking advantage of it. That troubles me as far as i can appreciate his character.

Lets compare examples. Jack is a very hurt individual. Does she achieve much in the game? Well she manages to not tear a hole in a Cerberus ship and stays with Shep for the suicide misson. That isnt much but considering she has all the reasons to just vanish at the first port, its great.

I was seriously expecting Jacob to achieve more with all that sanity and stability. Hes not busy daydreaming about revenge like Garrus. Why cant he come out as a leader (when did he give a useful tactical advice or talk to others like he could be in charge?). Why cant he be the better man (by not frowning upon Tali and Thane)?

Giving him characteristics that he doesnt act out only makes it appear like hes not pushing himself or doesnt care ( 'I have all the capacity to be awsome but i just dont').

Of course with a crew as big as ME2, there are always characters who will get less polishing. That said, im confident something can be made for Jacob in ME3. Not being in the shadow of Shepard all the time might mean we get to see his qualities shine.

[CheeseEnchilada]

outmane wrote...

My problem with Jacob being normal and stable is that we do not see him taking advantage of it. That troubles me as far as i can appreciate his character.

Lets compare examples. Jack is a very hurt individual. Does she achieve much in the game? Well she manages to not tear a hole in a Cerberus ship and stays with Shep for the suicide misson. That isnt much but considering she has all the reasons to just vanish at the first port, its great.

I was seriously expecting Jacob to achieve more with all that sanity and stability. Hes not busy daydreaming about revenge like Garrus. Why cant he come out as a leader (when did he give a useful tactical advice or talk to others like he could be in charge?). Why cant he be the better man (by not frowning upon Tali and Thane)?

Giving him characteristics that he doesnt act out only makes it appear like hes not pushing himself or doesnt care ( 'I have all the capacity to be awsome but i just dont').

Of course with a crew as big as ME2, there are always characters who will get less polishing. That said, im confident something can be made for Jacob in ME3. Not being in the shadow of Shepard all the time might mean we get to see his qualities shine.

He's there for almost every debriefing, ready to meet the new crewmember. He and Miranda both chime in on choices they might deem dangerous (opening Grunt's tank, activating Legion). He makes an excellent fireteam leader, and is decent at holding the line. When it comes down to it, he is a good soldier. Not a charismatic leader like Shepard. Not that he can't be a leader, mind you--just that he doesn't strive to become one. In this way, Garrus and Jacob are fundamentally different; both were fed up with the red tape at their previous job, and wanted to do good, but went about it in very different ways. 

And honestly, that's what I like about Jacob. He's a very down to earth man--perhaps too grounded, in a way. Would I love to see him do something involving leadership in the third game? Sure! But I just don't see him actively choosing to nab a position; he's not as ambitious as other team members.

His interaction with Thane was something I had hoped for more clarification on. Of all the people you're picking up, he chose to question him? However, while I would have liked a quick little dialog option to ask what was going through his mind, I'm glad we didn't get an in-depth explanation. As has been previously said, he's clearly emotionally guarded, and doesn't like to discard the professional mask. 

Essentially, I don't think Jacob needed the polishing that the other characters did. A character like Garrus or Thane is considered complex, due to the emotional baggage Shepard needs to help them with and the trauma they go through. Jacob, in comparison, is not, since he is fairly stable and does not have the same detailed goals.

As I said before, whether you think this is the mark of a good character or not is up to you. He's quite different from the others on your squad--that much is certain.

[outmane]

@Cheese
Mind you i do find Jacob interesting. What i see is that his character isnt implemented to make you feel he is what he seem to be.

Beeing 'the good soldier' is a nice concept up until the game is balanced so that a girl with a belt-bra is just as good a fighter. I know you can make him a fireteam leader from reading his dossier. But is it something that i see ingame? I see him greet squaddies onboard but nothing in what i see makes me think the squad will fallow him. Plus one forth of the team are mercenaries (Thane, Kasumi and Zaeed). The few times he chimes in on things he gets cut by Miranda. would i ask him to give her orders? Probably not.

There wasnt any point where his level-headness prevailed and made a situation sucessful ( one of those would have been the SM planning. But the reverse happens). I would have appreciated that very much. Maybe even clearing up situations when you bring him on loyalty missions.

Anyway my whole point is that even his his concept is interesting, like you pointed out very well, hes does not get the opportunities to show it. So he might not need to be polished but he certainly needs a chance to shine.

Modifié par outmane, 01 juillet 2011 - 12:02 .

[Duskeyboy]

jamesp81 wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Heh, you sound like you've already made up your mind about him. But I'll contribute:

Jacob has settled his problems before the mission takes place. He's a highly professional man who doesn't like to let anyone in, and while he's friendly, he isn't nearly as open as the rest of your squad. He doesn't need to be helped. He doesn't need to use Shepard as an emotional crutch. Subsequently, he doesn't get a lot of character development. He stays the same throughout the game, which can turn a lot of players off. Personally, I loved that there was someone stable and sane on my crew, and if you ignore Femshep's dialog and the 'priiize' line, his romance isn't half bad. He's the only one minus Liara who ever asks how Shepard feels.

He's not everyone's cup of tea, and his weak build doesn't help much. But what one person finds boring another finds interesting.

Yeah, it was nice to have someone on the crew who wasn't borderline insane.

But I have to disagree on the build; I find his skillset to be very useful indeed, especially in the early game on high difficulties.  He has a nearly ideal skillset for fighting Krogan and Vorcha, and his three non-loyalty skills don't require any unlocks.  You can get him upgraded to squad incendiary ammo very early if you concentrate on it, which is a huge boon to classes besides soldiers and vanguards.

i was a vanguard so he wasn't that useful, and when ever i told him to switch to a pistol he'd go back to the ****ing shotgun at long range!

[Duskeyboy]

phantomdragoness wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Heh, you sound like you've already made up your mind about him. But I'll contribute:

Jacob has settled his problems before the mission takes place. He's a highly professional man who doesn't like to let anyone in, and while he's friendly, he isn't nearly as open as the rest of your squad. He doesn't need to be helped. He doesn't need to use Shepard as an emotional crutch. Subsequently, he doesn't get a lot of character development. He stays the same throughout the game, which can turn a lot of players off. Personally, I loved that there was someone stable and sane on my crew, and if you ignore Femshep's dialog and the 'priiize' line, his romance isn't half bad. He's the only one minus Liara who ever asks how Shepard feels.

He's not everyone's cup of tea, and his weak build doesn't help much. But what one person finds boring another finds interesting.

Very true. Jacob is the only guy (next to Kaidan) who does not need to be "fixed". If a Shepard doesn't want any drama in a relationship, they are good choices. Kaidan at least develops somewhat in ME1 - Jacob pretty much stays the same, and that is a turn off for gamers wanting a good story. But like you said, his problems are settled before the mission starts, and he is very professional. He opened up enough to ask for Shepard's help, but if you ask questions about it his walls shoot up. Usually, anyone who has that thick a wall around them suggests a need to guard ones self constantly from hurt or disappointment - his father affected him more than he wants to think. Either that, or he's just the most emotionally stable guy on the Normandy. As Joker said: "We can only hold so much crazy."

I have a lot of respect for Jacob...just not as an LI. I like character development.

You said the magic word!

[Gavinthelocust]

He's much more of a person, and compared to the shakespearean caricatures than make up the rest of the team he's much more boring to most people. He doesn't always talk about the same god damn thing(Kaidan) and contains his emotions like a stable human being. Sure Jacob can be a dick sometimes and doesn't live up to his full potential but at least he seems like someone who wouldn't flip out and kill people if you put pickles on his sandwich.

Also, his chest.

[CheeseEnchilada]

 @outmane
Ahh, I see what you mean! My apologies. I do agree with you, and I think that will be one of the best parts of ME3--our squadmates will finally be able to shine. I fully expect to see Jacob have his own badass moment, or perhaps several. And maybe we'll be able to crack that shell and get a firmer grasp of his personality as well. 
Or they'll do a reworking of the priiize line, and that's all anyone will be able to talk about