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[Errol Dnamyx]

Jacob is a gun for hire and it feels like he'd rather not talk to Shepard. He also behaves like a total assclown towards some of the team members.
Luckily, there are enough other interesting characters on the ship.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Does he really? I've been trying to figure that out for some time now and am left with nothing. No clue what he's fighting for,

Stop the colony abductions and protect people.

 
Officially. So is everyone else on the ship. Even Jack is doing that, but for her its basically sport. Jacob's reason is about as good as "just 'cause."

No, most of the people on the ship aren't on board to stop the colony abductions and protect people: that may be the purpose they are being used for, but it isn't why they are there.

Mordin is on board as a quid pro quo for Shepard helping him with the plague.
Jack is fighting in exchange for Shepard helping her find out more about Cerberus for the start of her own revenge quest.
Garrus is fighting because he's lost his way and would follow Shepard regardless.
Grunt is fighting because he wants to fight in general.
Samara is on board with Shepard because it was a means to get out of massacring a police station.
Tali by and large just wanted to be with her idol.
Zaeed and Kasumi are being paid.

Only Thane, Miranda, and Jacob joined the mission for the purpose of helping protect the human colonies.

The problem I see here is, again, where does he fit in?

Helping to ensure it, like he is now. There need be no 'end game' condition.

The freedom to do *something* without these threats. But we don't know what that is, exactly, because we don't know him.

Er, no. It's not complicated: Jacob wants to help others live a normal life. He's joined the military and then, even afterwards, spent his life trying to help. That is what that is.

Liara asks what a Jacob-mance femshep is fighting for, "drinks and dancing with Jacob?" Since when has Jacob been about drinks and dancing, other than that 1 line that such a Shepard wouldn't even get? Bioware's own writers haven't even figured him out.

This site lacks a good eye roll.

Every Liara comment is a 1-liner about the characters. None of her one-liners are particularly all-encompassing.

We can suppose, based on vague details of his background. But, that may all be completely wrong.

All the characters give vague details on their background. All of them: not one character from either game so far has had a comprehensive backstory. We only know minor snipets from any character, and often then we don't get much particular context surrounding anything.

[Dean_the_Young]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Jacob is a gun for hire and it feels like he'd rather not talk to Shepard. He also behaves like a total assclown towards some of the team members.
Luckily, there are enough other interesting characters on the ship.

Uh, what?

No, Jacob isn't mercenary with his loyalty. He is, at worst, an impatient idealist. He's no more a gun-for-hire than Garrus.


The only character Jacob has any hostility towards is Thane. With all others, Jacob is professional and pleasant as they allow him to be.

[saMoorai]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Jacob is a gun for hire and it feels like he'd rather not talk to Shepard. He also behaves like a total assclown towards some of the team members.
Luckily, there are enough other interesting characters on the ship.

Uh, what?

No, Jacob isn't mercenary with his loyalty. He is, at worst, an impatient idealist. He's no more a gun-for-hire than Garrus.


The only character Jacob has any hostility towards is Thane. With all others, Jacob is professional and pleasant as they allow him to be.

Thats one of the many things l liked about Jacob, for most of the people we pick up Jacob tries to make them feel welcome, whichis a nice thing of him to do since most of the people are aliens and they are now working for a pro human organization. And i can understand his Hostility towards Thane, he's an Assassin that joined for no pay and wants to live by the life support.

[outmane]

I wouldnt argue with all the good qualities we can give to Jacob. My problem still remains that he isnt allowed (by the writers/the events) to enact them in a way that make him as useful as he is written to be.

When does his stability and sanity save the day? Theres always a broken or hurt character who can do just as good. That makes him appear like hes not pushing himself or uninterested. Its good to have nice qualities but if its not making you perform better... (same could be said of Grunt who is supposibly the ultimate Krogan but at least he gets to kill a trasher maw to back that). Making him pick a fight with Thane was the least good idea to show the kind of stable professional man he is.

What hed have needed is an event where having a cooler head would help the outcome. Instead he gets to ask to be sent to his death in the collector ventilation shaft. The first time i heard him ask that i had to go online to check if i did something wrong during his LM to make him want to die.

Hes a good character. Just was very badly handled.

[Labrev]

@Dean.

I guess I get what you mean. Maybe I'm just looking for more reason, but I suppose it's really that simple.

As for the Liara thing, that was just funny to me since it was the only one that really did not fit the character at hand in any sense, it just goes to show how much of an enigma he is.


Still, my core problem with Jacob remains. Dire lack of camarderie.

[N7 Spectre525]

I really dont get it. I've played ME2 more times than I'd like to admit and I just dont understand the dislike for my Bro Jacob. I like the whole crew for varying reasons but I dont get this thing about Jacob being boring because he's normal. Half the team are frakking psychopaths and he gets flack for being stable.
As for the femshep situation,thats the writers fault for making her sound like a cat in heat not Mr. Taylor. Jacob is a true G and he better be in ME3 because my one femshep romanced him. It would be a tragedy if Bioware payed any attention to all the haters and omitted my Bro...Jacob has plenty fans they just dont do the news group message board thing.

[PrinceLionheart]

Siansonea II wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

*le snip*

*Jacob: Hey Tali, make sure to see your beloved old rebuilt ship's NEW AI, TROLOLOL!

*Jacob: Hey Garrus, you're a cuttle-bone! Yeah! Like the cartiledge spine of a cuttlefish! Even though you're really avian/reptilian! Problem?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the REAL reason people dislike Jacob. If he was a Garrus/Tali buttkisser, I think he'd be a LOT more popular. Personally I think his lack of fawning attitude is refreshing. He's polite to Tali even after she's a b¡tch toward him, and only douchey toward Garrus if he's a romantic rival, but that's enough for a lot of people to put him in the Against Garrus And Tali column, and that's an automatic Rocket To The Face. He's more d¡ckish toward Thane than anyone else, but you'll all notice that this is rarely a problem for folks. 

Probably because Thane's "It's not me who kill it's my body" reasoning was pretty weak.

[PrinceLionheart]

lazuli wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Jacob does have a character flaw. He bottles up his emotions and refuses to talk about his feelings, which if you pester him about on his romance path, he breaks up with you.

This goes against everything people expect because they want characters to spill their guts to them.

And yet when (male) characters do spill their guts, they are accused of being too whiny.  I agree, though.  Jacob's character flaw is that he represses his emotions.  He's a very private person.

Which is kind of ironic. By all accounts, GARRUS is actually the biggest whiner out of all the squadmates. Kinda goes to show if Kaidan and Jacob were both aliens, they'd be more popular.

[CheeseEnchilada]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Probably because Thane's "It's not me who kill it's my body" reasoning was pretty weak.

Weak to us. Remember, he's an alien with an alien mind.

And I've never seen Jacob as mean, though I know I've seen arguments saying he is. He's cautious about reactivating Legion and opening up Grunt's tank, and he's faced with a known assassin. One who is considered the best of the best, and is very well-trained. Suspicion is understood in that circumstance, just unexpected as up to that point had been cordial with everyone else. It wasn't professional, and a bit jarring as he's always so composed. 

And I still don't see anything wrong with the whole Tali situation, but I haven't played through it in a while. 

[PrinceLionheart]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Probably because Thane's "It's not me who kill it's my body" reasoning was pretty weak.

Weak to us. Remember, he's an alien with an alien mind.

And I've never seen Jacob as mean, though I know I've seen arguments saying he is. He's cautious about reactivating Legion and opening up Grunt's tank, and he's faced with a known assassin. One who is considered the best of the best, and is very well-trained. Suspicion is understood in that circumstance, just unexpected as up to that point had been cordial with everyone else. It wasn't professional, and a bit jarring as he's always so composed. 

And I still don't see anything wrong with the whole Tali situation, but I haven't played through it in a while. 

Fair enough, but I can't help but scoff at his justification. I mean even Samara is willing to admit that her code can be inflexible.

But yeah, the whole "Jacob was rude to Tali" stuff is complete crap. I'm not trying to bash Tali fans, but the way people are trying to defend her honor in this case like she's some type of delicate flower is ridiculous. Jacob was trying to be polite, Tali was rude, and Jacob gave her a heads up about an A.I. being on board. I don't even think Jacob was even taking a shot at her, and if he was, Tali was the one to instigate the hostility.

[bleetman]

Jacob emits a pheromone from a hidden gland implanted in his chest which works in tandem with further implants placed in Shepard's cerebral cortex, making her susceptible to his influence. A few moments in his presence causes her to lapse into a state of uncontrollable teenage flirtation.

Male Shepard has a similar system involving Miranda's ass, but that's a story for another time.

[Some Dude]

The whole Tali situation is stupid because if he hadn't took a jab a her people would have said he was ****ing out by not saying anything.

[outmane]

I would have said that hes a stable individual with leadership qualities and the better man of the 2.

Hes supposed to know Cerberus is a dubious organisation but chose to be there because of the importance of the mission. Why he suddenly decides to act like Miranda?



I want the stable and sane Jacob i met in the first 2-3 conversations. The one who welcomes you, and looks at Cerberus realistically, and knows that trust is earned and keeping his mouth shut is the professional thing to do.

Where did that guy go after the 1/3 of the game?

[yondaime4017]

Jacob was my favorite person to talk to on the Normandy... one of the few who actually seemed like a real person and it's a shame to see the lack of love to a genuinely good character

[close2myheart]

I like Jacob because he's SANE and stable. Too bad there's not much friendship track on him, but the same can be said to other squaddies I supposed (*cough* calibration.. *cough*)

[Drone223]

My canon ManShep and Jacob have a lot in common, they have common goals, huge concerns over Cerberus despite the fact they are working for them, they are, They do what they think needs to be done to save lives, also Spilling drinks on the Citadel MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE 

[swordmalice]

I dunno. I think Jacob's a bro. Since I play manShep I don't particulary know anything about his romance (outside the "priiize" line) but I did enjoy the fact that he is the only crew member that does not use Shepard as a doormat for their issues. I even enjoy speaking with him post-loyalty mission where he gives Shepard dap and promises to "spill drinks on the Citadel" after the SM provided they survive. I REALLY hope in ME3 this comes to fruition. Who wouldn't want to spill drinks on the Citadel with him?

A little diversity is good even for character development. Not everyone lets their past/personal problems eat away at them, and Jacob is the best example of that.

Modifié par swordmalice, 11 août 2011 - 07:58 .

[SpaceinMind]

I've always liked Jacob. His dialogue may have been dull at times but it seems real. I thoyght the fact that he told you to stop forcing conversations was good to. He wasn't freaking out, or crazy, or emotional. He was just Jacob. Like others have said, he doesn't need saving. Jacob is stable, which may not carry the sci-fi allure of Mass Effect to some people. He seems like a real person, he actually reminds me of a friend. I don't expect him to be back in a big capacity, but I'd like to see him again.

I haven't romanced him yet, but I think I will after watching that video.

[happy_daiz]

I really like Jacob. I finally romanced him 2 playthroughs ago, and am in the middle of another right now. I'm actually taking him on most of the quests with me, and am finding that he's pretty skilled. And funny. I don't think I really gave him as much of a chance as I could have in the past, and I'm happy that I finally am.

I don't think any human has much of a chance of out-shining the other squadmates, since they're aliens (or have issues/stigmas), and all are unique. It would be pretty hard to compete with that....hence, Jacob seems boring to some.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 11 août 2011 - 09:22 .

[Karim_A]

Just had to post this! Could not stop laughing! XD

[diamondedge]

He was too.. grounded.

The man had a level head on him. No massive outbursts of emotion clouding his judgement. No old grudges getting in the way sending him chasing after people throughout the galaxy and to hell with the mission, no vices, nothing.

Just straight, and to the point. His distinct lack of character flaws made him boring.

Seconded, same as Kaidan. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than have anything to do with either of them.