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[Fidget6]

Did anyone actually do this? I just did for the first time on my latest playthrough, and woah Isabela has a great VA because the scene actually gave me chills. "You haven't seen the last of me Hawke!" Also if you do it after sleeping with Isabela as male Hawke you get the easily missed line "You came up short in so many ways." xD I thought it was great she got one last quip in before being dragged off.

Modifié par Fidget6, 30 juin 2011 - 09:54 .

[Tirfan]

I did this. It was quite fun, altough not quite as satisfying I had hoped it would be. And I slept with her, laughed a bit. Whatever amusement I got from giving her to the Arishok was yet again ruined when Varric told she escaped.

[whykikyouwhy]

Nope. Couldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. It would be wrong in so many, many ways.

[themonty72]

That S@@t was hillarious. She steals the Qun three days later and escape. I couldnt believe it.. I did it playing as a rogue  i never dont it playind as mage or warrior.

Modifié par themonty72, 30 juin 2011 - 10:00 .

[DreamerM]

We can give Isabella to the Arishok, even though it's very wrong.

We can sell Fenris back to Denarius, even though it's very wrong.


HOW COME WE CAN'T GIVE ANDERS TO THE TEMPLARS? We'd have much more reason to do that then to do either of those other things.

Oh, right, because then everyone would and the Act 3 finale wouldn't happen. Damn you plot contrivance! Damn youuu!

[Tirfan]

I did not see anything wrong about giving Isabela to the Qunari, she stole from them, caused a major conflict and I'm supposed to let her run free? waait what.

[whykikyouwhy]

Tirfan wrote...

I did not see anything wrong about giving Isabela to the Qunari, she stole from them, caused a major conflict and I'm supposed to let her run free? waait what.

It's character development and redemption. The Isabela that steals the Tome isn't the Isabela who tells you about stealing the Tome at the end of Act 2. If Hawke has chatted her up (and even bought her dinner), she reveals much more about who she is, why she does what she does, etc. That's the Isabela who returns, fighting her way through Kirkwall to return the book and do the right thing.

Besides, if you have Aveline in the party during the Arishok scene, you'll know that Isabela isn't going to "get away" with anything. I'm sure she got a armored foot to the rump in punishment.

[themonty72]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Tirfan wrote...

I did not see anything wrong about giving Isabela to the Qunari, she stole from them, caused a major conflict and I'm supposed to let her run free? waait what.

It's character development and redemption. The Isabela that steals the Tome isn't the Isabela who tells you about stealing the Tome at the end of Act 2. If Hawke has chatted her up (and even bought her dinner), she reveals much more about who she is, why she does what she does, etc. That's the Isabela who returns, fighting her way through Kirkwall to return the book and do the right thing.

Besides, if you have Aveline in the party during the Arishok scene, you'll know that Isabela isn't going to "get away" with anything. I'm sure she got a armored foot to the rump in punishment.

 
Thats true. On my warrior and mage play thru  i didnt want to duel the Arishok for  Isabella and  i didnt wat to give Isabella away either.  

[Tirfan]

How is she any different - the only things she told me was that she likes sex and needs to get back something she stole, the fact is that she is stupid enough to trust my Hawke that I tried to made so he had even some respect to the law and actually return to him, after running away with the tome, speaks something of redemption, but she should expect my hawke to turn her in, I still did the right thing.

Edit: changed phrasing & idea, I'm too tired to write and articulate my thoughts.

Modifié par Tirfan, 30 juin 2011 - 10:13 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Tirfan wrote...

I did not see anything wrong about giving Isabela to the Qunari, she stole from them, caused a major conflict and I'm supposed to let her run free? waait what.

There's a school of thought that subscribes to the idea that the major conflict was actually caused by the Qunari.

[whykikyouwhy]

Tirfan wrote...

How is she any different - the only things she told me was that she likes sex and needs to get back something she stole, the fact is that she is stupid enough to trust my Hawke that I tried to made so he had even some respect to the law and actually return to him, after running away with the tome, speaks nothing of redemption, I still did the right thing.

Ok...I can respect your take on it.

My Hawke romanced her, so maybe I had different dialogue bits. But Isabela in Act 1 is a bit removed from everyone. She's brash, a bit selfish. By Act 2, you get to hear party banter that reveals her care and concern for both Aveline and Merrill (especially Merrill). After having a night of pleasantries in the estate, she talks about her loveless marriage and how she isn't made for love, etc. But, there is sorrow in that revelation and some vulnerability.

If Isabela didn't respect Hawke, or care for him/her, she wouldn't have come back with the Tome. The return is indicative of her change of heart - of her trying to do the right thing the only way she knows how. So...instead of saving her hide, it's into the thick of battle for her, and a giving back of what she took.

To me, that's a change. *shrug*

[Vit246]

Nope. Will never give Isabela to the arishok. He's a hypocrite. He refused to give up two criminals, but he expects us to do the same? He spits on non-Qunari laws but expects us to obey the demands of his Qun? Screw him. I wish Hawke was allowed to interrupt the talking arishok cutscene and knife him. 

Modifié par Vit246, 30 juin 2011 - 10:34 .

[Blansten]

Isabela is not just the love interest but also friend to my Hawke's I would never turn over a friend in that situation and would do exactly what my Hawke's did which is kick the Arishock's @ss (even if I did have to run around like an idiot for 10 minutes). That's how I choose to play it, others may differ.

[TobiTobsen]

Giving Isabela to the Arishok, without knowing that she will escape, means sending her to forced labour, indoctrination and possibly condemn her to a life as qamek, a mindless worker, because she probably wouldn't accept the Qun.

I would never do that. Especially not after the Arishok told us before the attack on Kirkwall that human laws don't apply to him. So why should Qunari law apply to humans?

[Huntress]

Vit246 wrote...

Nope. Will never give Isabela to the arishok. He's a hypocrite. He refused to give up two criminals, but he expects us to do the same? He spits on non-Qunari laws but expects us to obey the demands of his Qun? Screw him. I wish Hawke was allowed to interrupt the talking arishok cutscene and knife him. 

+20 friendship

I do think the Arishock is a great character, too bad Hawke has to kill him, I don't think was right tho.

[Missing in Action]

She ran away and didn't come back for me, so i would have killed her myself if i could.

[Vit246]

Huntress wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

Nope. Will never give Isabela to the arishok. He's a hypocrite. He refused to give up two criminals, but he expects us to do the same? He spits on non-Qunari laws but expects us to obey the demands of his Qun? Screw him. I wish Hawke was allowed to interrupt the talking arishok cutscene and knife him. 

+20 friendship

I do think the Arishock is a great character, too bad Hawke has to kill him, I don't think was right tho.

Of course Hawke has to kill him. If the arishok wins, Bethany or Mage Hawke would be turned into chained saarebas.

[Huntress]

I meant he should have left with the 2 elves and be happy he got the book back, for the rest yea, he always dies in my games lol

[Big I]

I was greatly tempted to do so because I didn't want to have to kill the Arishok, but in the end decided against it. How ungrateful is it to hand her over to the qunari after she came back to help you?

[Icy Magebane]

Yes, and it was annoying to hear that she escaped no matter what you wanted. It would have been simpler to just execute her on the spot, but no, Bioware has plans for the character so she gets impenetrable plot armor and we get less choice (as usual for this series it seems). I'm glad they did it this way though. At least we know she's coming back and won't just be resurrected under mysterious circumstances.

One thing I saw a few posts up about the consequences of turning her over... Hawke doesn't actually know about Qamek and indoctrination until Fenris mentions it later on, and even then it's only in party banter when Fenris and Isabela are both present. So it's not like any of us could have known about the whole turning her into a mindless zombie thing. To me, that seems cruel, but I never consider this when turning her in. As I said, it's based on knowledge you don't have, and if you do have it, then you also know she's going to escape. So it doesn't factor in either way...

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 01 juillet 2011 - 03:17 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I think in the grand scheme of things, if Hawke were to hand Isabela over to anyone, it would be to Aveline (if she is in your party). Granted, it's not an option, but it seems to me that Hawke would want to keep the justice at home - a Hawke that would be fine with turning her in would probably want to know what was to be done with her first hand. (I feel the need to reiterate that I could never do this.)

As for her escape being part of Bioware's grand plan for her, I can't speak to that. Although it makes sense for her to escape. It fits her character perfectly. Several people (myself included) have made the comparison of Isabela to Han Solo. In that vein, there would be an out, there would be a grand escape...and a reckoning to come at a later date.

[Icy Magebane]

@whykikyouway - Actually, I disagree. It doesn't make sense that the Qunari, who are not mindless barbarians, would not take any kind of precautions to prevent a master thief from escaping custody. This is the Arishok's personal honor guard (or Qunari equivalent), not just some random soldiers... and they don't have the foresight to secure and carefully guard somebody who has eluded them for what... seven years? After stealing their most sacred artifact? Sorry, I don't buy that. Given Bioware's history, it's more likely that this is simply a way to take control from the player and provide a way to bring back a popular character. This time, they were nice enough to tell us beforehand, which is cool.

[Fidget6]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Yes, and it was annoying to hear that she escaped no matter what you wanted. It would have been simpler to just execute her on the spot, but no, Bioware has plans for the character so she gets impenetrable plot armor and we get less choice (as usual for this series it seems). I'm glad they did it this way though. At least we know she's coming back and won't just be resurrected under mysterious circumstances.

At least they're not going the Leliana route and just retconning her death. I think it would be cool if Hawke turned her into the Arishok if she came back for revenge later on. (Either in a future DLC or DA3.) Those last words, "You haven't seen the last of me Hawke!" were chilling and I think might have been setting up something for the future. Knowing her though she might just brush it off like it was no big deal like she did with Zevran after he killed her husband. 

[whykikyouwhy]

Icy Magebane wrote...

@whykikyouway - Actually, I disagree. It doesn't make sense that the Qunari, who are not mindless barbarians, would not take any kind of precautions to prevent a master thief from escaping custody. This is the Arishok's personal honor guard (or Qunari equivalent), not just some random soldiers... and they don't have the foresight to secure and carefully guard somebody who has eluded them for what... seven years? After stealing their most sacred artifact? Sorry, I don't buy that. Given Bioware's history, it's more likely that this is simply a way to take control from the player and provide a way to bring back a popular character. This time, they were nice enough to tell us beforehand, which is cool.

I'll admit to being biased. I liked her - I thought her character development was wonderful, and I felt that turning her in was just wrong. It didn't sit right with me as a player and looking at the situation through Hawke's eyes, so to speak.

I agree that the Qunari should be quite equipped at securing a thief, but Isabela does arrive at the Keep by herself, having fended off who-knows-how-many Qunari warriors on the way in. She's definitely formidable. Is it possible that they underestimated her? That in some sense of arrogance, they felt they had the better of her? Isabela is wily - she doesn't fit into any expected behavior.

So sure, it could be a plot hole. Or a convenient out in order to keep her around. But the plot lines in my head, the gaps of the story that I have filled (because that's the kind of geek I am) has her outwitting them all.

[Rifneno]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Nope. Couldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. It would be wrong in so many, many ways.

This.  Isabela finally turns a new leaf and for the first time does something selfless and noble... and it's cool to reward that with betrayal to a murdering savage whom we then let off the hook?  I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.