... and the whole point of the article was them saying that they shouldn't have done that and that they don't want to for ME3...Brockololly wrote...
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
BioWare never learns. They do think that removing is improving things. We have seen in it in ME2 and now in DA2.
Bingo.
BioWare doesn't seem to be able to fix or improve features from sequel to sequel. Rather they'll just strip them out entirely and then act surprised when people are pissed off.
For you maybe, I simply didn't care for half my crew, even though that was the point of the game. ME2 failed for me, not just the lack of customization. But that is a whole diffrent can of worms.Nerevar-as wrote...
And I´d be less worried about DA if this comment had been by a DA dev. ME2 didn´t have the narrative problem from DA2, thanks to having a main goal and that despite most plot quests were filler (get loyalty but not advancing the plot or lore hardly at all), they were good anyway.
Dude, um, some of those loyalty missions are pretty damn important - all of them are important in lore terms except maybe Jacob's and Miri's - and Tali's, Legion's, and Mordin's are going to have pretty major impacts on how ME3 plays out. They kind of have to. Some of the first gameplay footage we saw is of a level that's utterly reliant on how you resolve Mordin's loyalty mission.Nerevar-as wrote...
ME2 didn´t have the narrative problem from DA2, thanks to having a main goal and that despite most plot quests were filler (get loyalty but not advancing the plot or lore hardly at all), they were good anyway.
I have yet to see anything to reinforce what they are saying is true. The fact that the game has a short dev time compared to ME2ME came out in 2007, ME2 came out in 2010, ME3 is coming out in 2012 is also not good news since they either focusing on the story and only making minor improvments to the gameplay or they are focusing on the gameplay again and letting the wrtiting go to hell.daqs wrote...
Why do you think so?Mr.House wrote...
The same can not be said for ME2 and most likely ME3 will follow with catsuits and unrealistic clothing for a Sci Fi series.
Guess you played the game already. Is it any good?daqs wrote...
Dude, um, some of those loyalty missions are pretty damn important - all of them are important in lore terms except maybe Jacob's and Miri's - and Tali's, Legion's, and Mordin's are going to have pretty major impacts on how ME3 plays out. They kind of have to. Some of the first gameplay footage we saw is of a level that's utterly reliant on how you resolve Mordin's loyalty mission.Nerevar-as wrote...
ME2 didn´t have the narrative problem from DA2, thanks to having a main goal and that despite most plot quests were filler (get loyalty but not advancing the plot or lore hardly at all), they were good anyway.
Having a cost beyond the initial cost to "research" the mods would probably get really annoying, especially if you're someone who didn't like mineral scanning and doesn't have a lot of credits on hand at a specific point in the game.Estelindis wrote...
The ME2 research system but with much more frequent finds, yes. I'm thinking there would have to be a cost to balance things out, but maybe that would just be annoying?kregano wrote...
So... basically the ME2 research system, with an extra cost requirement tacked on everytime you want to make a new gun/mod/whatever for your squadmates?
Houston says that rather than remove the customization feature entirely, BioWare will make it more intuitive. Instead of juggling a screen full of numbers, players will be able to alter specific, functional aspects of a weapon like the size of its ammo clip or the frequency of its firing rate.
Modifié par aries1001, 01 juillet 2011 - 03:47 .
Sorry, I should have clarified. Not like the ME2 research system in that you have to pay a cost to unlock a bonus. Rather, you gain the ability to fabricate an item when you find that item in the field. You also gain one copy of that item (obviously). My thought was then that if you wanted to make additional copies then you would pay a small cost, in minerals or credits.kregano wrote...
Having a cost beyond the initial cost to "research" the mods would probably get really annoying, especially if you're someone who didn't like mineral scanning and doesn't have a lot of credits on hand at a specific point in the game.
Modifié par Estelindis, 01 juillet 2011 - 03:57 .
I don't see the problem with Bioware only making some moderate changes to gameplay considering they've got a system worked out for the game that they like. Considering that ME2 was built from the ground up to be better than ME1 on the technical side of things, it makes sense for them to use that system again with just the improvements that are necessary to make ME3 a better game. Besides, the writing and gameplay work happens in parallel anyway, so it's not like they spend 18 months working on gameplay, then write the story in 3 months, record VAs in 2 months, and then hand over the game to EA a month before release for disc production.Mr.House wrote...
I have yet to see anything to reinforce what they are saying is true. The fact that the game has a short dev time compared to ME2ME came out in 2007, ME2 came out in 2010, ME3 is coming out in 2012 is also not good news since they either focusing on the story and only making minor improvments to the gameplay or they are focusing on the gameplay again and letting the wrtiting go to hell.daqs wrote...
Why do you think so?Mr.House wrote...
The same can not be said for ME2 and most likely ME3 will follow with catsuits and unrealistic clothing for a Sci Fi series.
Mr.House wrote...
I have yet to see anything to reinforce what they are saying is true. The fact that the game has a short dev time compared to ME2ME came out in 2007, ME2 came out in 2010, ME3 is coming out in 2012 is also not good news since they either focusing on the story and only making minor improvments to the gameplay or they are focusing on the gameplay again and letting the wrtiting go to hell.daqs wrote...
Why do you think so?Mr.House wrote...
The same can not be said for ME2 and most likely ME3 will follow with catsuits and unrealistic clothing for a Sci Fi series.
You don't pay to unlock bonuses in ME2's research system. The minerals go into the new components of the guns/armor/omnitools/amps that you create for your team as a lump sum that covers all the squadmates and Shepard.Estelindis wrote...
Sorry, I should have clarified. Not like the ME2 research system in that you have to pay a cost to unlock a bonus. Rather, you gain the ability to fabricate an item when you find that item in the field. You also gain one copy of that item (obviously). My thought was then that if you wanted to make additional copies then you would pay a small cost, in minerals or credits.kregano wrote...
Having a cost beyond the initial cost to "research" the mods would probably get really annoying, especially if you're someone who didn't like mineral scanning and doesn't have a lot of credits on hand at a specific point in the game.
daqs wrote...
Dude, um, some of those loyalty missions are pretty damn important - all of them are important in lore terms except maybe Jacob's and Miri's - and Tali's, Legion's, and Mordin's are going to have pretty major impacts on how ME3 plays out. They kind of have to. Some of the first gameplay footage we saw is of a level that's utterly reliant on how you resolve Mordin's loyalty mission.Nerevar-as wrote...
ME2 didn´t have the narrative problem from DA2, thanks to having a main goal and that despite most plot quests were filler (get loyalty but not advancing the plot or lore hardly at all), they were good anyway.
Mr.House wrote...
They need to bring back selling so Shepard can make money >.>
M.Erik.Sal wrote...
ME3 has a shorter turn-around time than ME2 because work was started on it much earlier than you think it was, also ebcause a create deal of the process that takes up a chunk of the time is already done to certain degrees (design decision for instance). Unlike ME2 ME3 is not a 'from the ground up' re-design. Also, how long a game spend in development is not a good indicator of quality, at all.
Modifié par Nerevar-as, 01 juillet 2011 - 04:21 .
RageGT wrote...
Well, I hope they nail it with ME3. I'm playing yet another run through ME1 and there are so many awesome features from it that were removed from ME2. And I've just finished yet another ME2 run, which I love very much and it made me go play a new Shep in ME1...
If ME3 can mix what those two games have, it will be great! I really love to wander around the Lua and have a zoom at the Earth from there! I miss the Mako in ME2 among other things. But the gameplay in ME2 is a real improvement. (with the sole exception of a bad keyboard/mouse control port! I hate "storm" and "take cover" on the same key. It always end up making Shep do stupid moves and Insanity doesn't forgive stupidity)
Modifié par slimgrin, 01 juillet 2011 - 04:21 .
Imperator Augustus wrote...
The Mako could have been saved, as it was a decent vehicle, it just had terrible driving and too little mass, which is why it drove up walls constantly. The hammerhead is far worse.
Not every RPG has to be a dry, stat-driven experience, it can have action too.
slimgrin wrote...
Couldn't agree more with you Rage. I recently bought ME1 for the second time just so I could play it again. I'm hoping they take the improved combat from ME2 and blend it with the best of ME1.
A big part of the dev time, however, was building a new engine from the ground up. Bioware had to re-invent their own tools between ME1 and ME2.Mr.House wrote...
I have yet to see anything to reinforce what they are saying is true. The fact that the game has a short dev time compared to ME2ME came out in 2007, ME2 came out in 2010, ME3 is coming out in 2012 is also not good news since they either focusing on the story and only making minor improvments to the gameplay or they are focusing on the gameplay again and letting the wrtiting go to hell.daqs wrote...
Why do you think so?Mr.House wrote...
The same can not be said for ME2 and most likely ME3 will follow with catsuits and unrealistic clothing for a Sci Fi series.
What I'm focusing on here is the fact that it's a two-stage acquisition: you find the research during a mission, and then you have to provide mineral resources in order to actually put the research to use in tangible terms. What I'm suggesting is that the first mod should be free (one-stage acquisition) and then you pay for more. In theory, you could pay a lump sum to have everyone in your squad get the mod, but since we are dealing here with actual items that one slots into weapons or armour in gameplay terms, vs. virtual items (i.e. you imagine that they're improvements to armour, omnitool, whatever, but your Shepard rarely handles them in-game), you'd end up with a rake-load of items to deal with, possible inventory clutter. So there could be a number slider for how many you want, I suppose.kregano wrote...
You don't pay to unlock bonuses in ME2's research system. The minerals go into the new components of the guns/armor/omnitools/amps that you create for your team as a lump sum that covers all the squadmates and Shepard.
When focus moves more into playing role in story direction, real roleplaying kicks in. Because stats are just used to customize players character, they are tool for roleplaying. When stats it self becomes gameplay for player, roleplaying is totally lost and metagaming starts. Adjusting numbers is not roleplaying.RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Not every RPG has to be a dry, stat-driven experience, it can have action too.
For a lot of people, the stats ARE the RPG. When the focus of a game moves toward story, suddenly there's no game left for them anymore. It's sad really, but it's what they like.
Modifié par Lumikki, 01 juillet 2011 - 04:41 .
Estelindis wrote...
What I'm focusing on here is the fact that it's a two-stage acquisition: you find the research during a mission, and then you have to provide mineral resources in order to actually put the research to use in tangible terms. What I'm suggesting is that the first mod should be free (one-stage acquisition) and then you pay for more. In theory, you could pay a lump sum to have everyone in your squad get the mod, but since we are dealing here with actual items that one slots into weapons or armour in gameplay terms, vs. virtual items (i.e. you imagine that they're improvements to armour, omnitool, whatever, but your Shepard rarely handles them in-game), you'd end up with a rake-load of items to deal with, possible inventory clutter. So there could be a number slider for how many you want, I suppose.
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