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[mineralica]

Kaidan. Progression of romance through entire ME1, his slips (Citadel observation with Ashley, "that's what I lo- appreciate about you" at lockers) and general shyness, synergy as Lawful Good with my Chaotic Good Shepard. Considering that in ME3 he is likely SpeCTRe, a new portion of teasing for Kaidan is coming :-P

[BioWareM0d13]

If you include LotSB, Liara has the best written romance so far.

Although I always roll a Male Shep, I've seen the videos for the Thane romance, and I have to say his romance was also very well done. I'd rank him below Liara however, because I have a sneaking suspicision that Bioware will cave in to fan demands and have Thane be cured of his illness. What made the Thane romance so well done was the fact that was deep, that Thane was suffering from a terminal illness, and that they're trying to make the most of the limited time they have together. Take the tragic angle out of that equation, and that romance is far less interesting. Should Thane survive the events of Mass Effect 3, I think he should die shortly afterwards of his illness.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:45 .

[ladyvader]

Han Shot First wrote...

If you include LotSB, Liara has the best written romance so far.

Although I always roll a Male Shep, I've seen the videos for the Thane romance, and I have to say his romance was also very well done. I'd rank him below Liara however, because I have a sneaking suspicision that Bioware will cave in to fan demands and have Thane be cured of his illness. What made the Thane romance so well done was the fact that was deep, that Thane was suffering from a terminal illness, and that they're trying to make the most of the limited time they have together. Take the tragic angle out of that equation, and that romance is far less interesting. Should Thane survive the events of Mass Effect 3, I think he should die shortly afterwards of his illness.

I agree with you completely.  He told Shepard that he has 8-12 months left to live.  If you read the dossiers at the SB base, he refused to allow Dr. Chakwas to put him on a lung transplant list.  If they cure him in ME3, I will be disappointed.  It seems he is ready to go.s

ME3 is suppose to be set 6-12 months after SM.  From my understanding.  He should die in ME3.  Sorry Thane fans, just my view.

Modifié par ladyvader, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:03 .

[raynbow]

thane. he's the sensitive bad boy, plus it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do with his kepral's syndrome

[BioWareM0d13]

raynbow wrote...

thane. he's the sensitive bad boy, plus it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do with his kepral's syndrome

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Hopefully nothing. He should die, IMO.

Otherwise his whole backstory in ME2 was completely pointless.

ME3 is suppose to be set 6-12 months after SM.  From my understanding.  He should die in ME3.  Sorry Thane fans, just my view.

I'd keep him alive through ME3 so that he can reappear as a squadmate, and for those who romanced him to have some closure. But If I were writing for Bioware I'd definitely have him pass away shortly after the end of ME3, in the epilogue.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:25 .

[ladyvader]

Han Shot First wrote...

raynbow wrote...

thane. he's the sensitive bad boy, plus it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do with his kepral's syndrome

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Hopefully nothing. He should die, IMO.

Otherwise his whole backstory in ME2 was completely pointless.

ME3 is suppose to be set 6-12 months after SM.  From my understanding.  He should die in ME3.  Sorry Thane fans, just my view.

I'd keep him alive through ME3 so that he can reappear as a squadmate, and for those who romanced him to have some closure. But If I were writing for Bioware I'd definitely have him pass away shortly after the end of ME3, in the epilogue.

That works for me, but curing him will not work for me. 

[kumquats]

1. Overall Liara wins, but she had a whole DLC.
2. Jack, because it is the romance which surprised me the most, it's so sweet my teeth are aching.
3. Thane, but this romance wins for maximum angst. All bets are off. They could cure him for the fans, but in my opinion if he dies it could be the most bittersweet romance overall. I'm exited to see what they will do with him.

The rest are fun and nice, but didn't involve me emotional that much.

[raynbow]

i'll be okay if he dies an awesome death or if he takes the lung transplant and gets some more time....i'd be really disappointed if there was a ridiculous option like cure thane *poof with magic*

[ScotGaymer]

wildannie wrote...

Drell don't have dextro DNA, a kiss can get shep a wee bit high and there's a chaffing issue but aside from that it's all good .  Once it's all over shep and thane can go to a music festival and punt his kisses... I'm sure they'd make a killing.

Edit: I agree with the Turian/Quarians as LIs being a bit daft lore wise.  For me, the best romances are Thane and Kaidan (in that order)... Thane's ahead as there is nothing romantic about Kaidan's behaviour on Horizon, and his email was beyond lame.  It is only my most sappy sheps who have taken that on board and continued to pine over his photo.  
Thane has a looooong way to go to disappoint shep that much.

Someone told me they do lol.

I see.

Still think its bad based on the whole Ninjamancing thing though. God the Mass Effect 2 romances were terrible for that; the worst of any Bioware game ever.

[wildannie]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

wildannie wrote...

Drell don't have dextro DNA, a kiss can get shep a wee bit high and there's a chaffing issue but aside from that it's all good .  Once it's all over shep and thane can go to a music festival and punt his kisses... I'm sure they'd make a killing.

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Someone told me they do lol.

I see.

Still think its bad based on the whole Ninjamancing thing though. God the Mass Effect 2 romances were terrible for that; the worst of any Bioware game ever.

First time I played ME1 was the only time I've experienced ninjamance, that was with Kaidan.  You really have to be a b**ch to him to avoid starting something...  

Thane is hands down my favourite ME romance and I don't see how you could get ninjamanced there... it's pretty clear what lines are going to start something.  I'm not bothered by him calling shep siha once it's easy to put him off.

@Han Shot First, ladyvader, Kumquats & raynbow

I'm all for a new treatment for thane, we're told in LotSB that he'd been refusing a transplant.  Depending upon what happened in ME2 his outlook has changed, either for the worse or for the better.  I think that this should be reflected in how his character appears in 3.
 I don't see why his disease being cured or successfully controlled should be a problem for people, for me it's more unbelievable that nothing can be done for him.  It's hard to imagine that Mordin couldn't do better than the Hanar (the only race we know to be researching the condition).  

I hope that if certain conditions are met that Thane can be cured or at least that his condition becomes chronic.  I'm also happy for there to be a death option for those who feel that his character is wholly defined by his disease.

Modifié par wildannie, 02 juillet 2011 - 02:03 .

[Homebound]

thhhat 1 li on the normandy.

[jeweledleah]

my favorite romance is actually Jacob, because he is the only one that gives Shepard as good as he gets, he asks how she's feeling, he tells her he loves her and despite occasional cheesy writing makes me feel like that romance is actually a relationship of equals, not a quick hookup brought on by danger of dying, or trying to fix someone broken.

followed by Kaidan, because he's like a quieter, shyer version of my husband.

incidentally - ME2 has NO ninjamancing whatsoever. seeing an option to start a romance =/= ninjamancing. every single romance starts very clearly... almost too clearly sometimes "I want you Thane" Jacob especially is notorious for that, miss one "in your face" come on and bam, you are friendzoned (forget Hales VA, she sounds the same way if you go for friendship path - pay attention to paraphrases instead) Even Tali, who is the only ME2 Li, who has a crush on Shepard first, doesn't ninjamance you. there are several very clear ways to say no to her and go for friendship instead.

in ME1 however - you could be pulled into a romance simply by being nice and for the most part, you have to be pretty rough to get out of the romances. I think part of it is several bugged dialogue options.

[BioWareM0d13]

my favorite romance is actually Jacob, because he is the only one that gives Shepard as good as he gets, he asks how she's feeling, he tells her he loves her and despite occasional cheesy writing makes me feel like that romance is actually a relationship of equals, not a quick hookup brought on by danger of dying, or trying to fix someone broken.

Liara does that as well.

She's one of the few romance options that allow Shepard to let his guard down, and voice his true feelings, which is part of the reason why she's my Shep's canon LI.

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[JSobieski3]

Miranda, definitely. Followed by Ash. However, I generally play MShep, so I'm not real familiar with FShep's romances.

[ToriJay]

1. Miranda
2. Liara
3. Ash
4. Tali
5. Kasumi
6. Kaiden
7. Kelly

I would like some better options for femShep. I will risk offending others and put out there that I wasn't really interested in getting my heart broken by a dying Thane, I had every intention of surviving the suicide mission thank you very much!!! Jacobs romancing was a little cringeworthy at times and the love scene where he's just laying there unmoving on the bed was a bit of a let down <_<. I understand why Garrus's was awkward and while it did have its moments I guess I'm just not that convinced on physiologically incompatible aliens... hmmm Tali was cute though... bugger  I can't decide!!! Kelly was cute, her dancing was not , I'd like to see more of her... just not dancing. Oh and Kasumi was AWESOME !! I would so love to have had her as an LI.

[AngelicMachinery]

Mordin... I know he's not into you, but, damn that Salarian is just too charming.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

wildannie wrote...

 I don't see why his disease being cured or successfully controlled should be a problem for people, for me it's more unbelievable that nothing can be done for him.  It's hard to imagine that Mordin couldn't do better than the Hanar (the only race we know to be researching the condition).  

I hope that if certain conditions are met that Thane can be cured or at least that his condition becomes chronic.  I'm also happy for there to be a death option for those who feel that his character is wholly defined by his disease.

It's more that the Thane romance is defined by (among other things) a rapidly approaching expiration date. A Shep that romances Thane knows what she's getting into, and TBH the game should respect the players' choice to pursue that option by not shielding Shep from the consequences. Of course, he's probably gonna get cured because when given the choice between telling a good story and giving the fans what they want, Bioware will unfortunatley often choose the latter.

[CheeseEnchilada]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

It's more that the Thane romance is defined by (among other things) a rapidly approaching expiration date. A Shep that romances Thane knows what she's getting into, and TBH the game should respect the players' choice to pursue that option by not shielding Shep from the consequences. Of course, he's probably gonna get cured because when given the choice between telling a good story and giving the fans what they want, Bioware will unfortunatley often choose the latter.

Treatments and cures are not the same thing, and I know most Thane fans are looking for the former. I was drawn to the Thane romance for the exact reason you described, and I wouldn't want a magical cure that takes it all away. But I wouldn't mind seeing him get a lung transplant or something similar. All it would do is prolong the inevitiable a little longer, and get him through ME3. The romance doesn't lose that core feeling, and we don't get a deus ex machina. 

Though I suppose it all boils down to character interpretation. I never thought his disease defined him; rather, it was how he reacted. Actively seeking treatment would be character development for me, and if his loyalty mission was completed, completely in-character. But as with all character interpretation, YMMV.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 03 juillet 2011 - 05:21 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

It's more that the Thane romance is defined by (among other things) a rapidly approaching expiration date. A Shep that romances Thane knows what she's getting into, and TBH the game should respect the players' choice to pursue that option by not shielding Shep from the consequences. Of course, he's probably gonna get cured because when given the choice between telling a good story and giving the fans what they want, Bioware will unfortunatley often choose the latter.

Treatments and cures are not the same thing, and I know most Thane fans are looking for the former. I was drawn to the Thane romance for the exact reason you described, and I wouldn't want a magical cure that takes it all away. But I wouldn't mind seeing him get a lung transplant or something similar. All it would do is prolong the inevitiable a little longer, and get him through ME3. The romance doesn't lose that core feeling, and we don't get a deus ex machina. 

Though I suppose it all boils down to character interpretation. I never thought his disease defined him; rather, it was how he reacted. Actively seeking treatment would be character development for me, and if his loyalty mission was completed, completely in-character. But as with all character interpretation, YMMV.

Yeah, totally. I think it would be the stronger artistic choice to have Thane die at some point during ME3 because that's what his story (especially with the closure element) has been building up to, but I totally sympathize with people's wishes to have him have more than a cameo in ME3. And as you said, the two are not mutually exclusive.

[wildannie]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

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Yeah, totally. I think it would be the stronger artistic choice to have Thane die at some point during ME3 because that's what his story (especially with the closure element) has been building up to, but I totally sympathize with people's wishes to have him have more than a cameo in ME3. And as you said, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I completely disagree with this, I think it's a fairly cheap device to generate emotional response.  

Of course I want Thane to be cureable, and a perma squadmate but the most important thing for me is that I don't have Thane's 'epic' 'heroic' death forced upon me.  I've got quite alot of Thane saves and that would be such a massive downer on replayability... I've never much believed in Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

[Silentblaze]

Tali, Liara, Jack, Miranda/Ashley for my MaleShep.  Garrus, Liara, Thane, Kaidan, and Jacob for FemShep.  

Humans mostly end up at the bottom for me in Sci-fi games unless theres no options.  If all were aliens I'd probably go:

Tali, Jack, Liara, Ashley, and Miranda for MaleShep.  Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Jacob/Thane for FemShep.

[BioWareM0d13]

wildannie wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

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Yeah, totally. I think it would be the stronger artistic choice to have Thane die at some point during ME3 because that's what his story (especially with the closure element) has been building up to, but I totally sympathize with people's wishes to have him have more than a cameo in ME3. And as you said, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I completely disagree with this, I think it's a fairly cheap device to generate emotional response.  

Of course I want Thane to be cureable, and a perma squadmate but the most important thing for me is that I don't have Thane's 'epic' 'heroic' death forced upon me.  I've got quite alot of Thane saves and that would be such a massive downer on replayability... I've never much believed in Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

Imagine for a moment that you are a fan of a TV series where the protagonist ends up dating someone who has terminal cancer. That drama and impending tragedy plays out for the entire season, only for the next season to open with the person miraculously cured of terminal cancer, as if a wizard did it. Would your reaction be, "Wow, awesome" or "Wait, what?!"

I know I'd fall in the second group.

Curing Thane would be lame from a storytelling perspective.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:38 .

[kumquats]

Han Shot First wrote...

Imagine for a moment that you are a fan of a TV series where the protagonist ends up dating someone who has terminal cancer. That drama and impending tragedy plays out for the entire season, only for the next season to open with the person miraculously cured of terminal cancer, as if a wizard did it. Would your reaction be, "Wow, awesome" or "Wait, what?!"

I know I'd fall in the second group.

Curing Thane would be lame from a storytelling perspective.

You mean like Dana Scully in the x-files was cured from her cancer?
It wasn't a romantic relationship, but an episode I will not forget.
When I think about this, yeah I probably would be fine if they decide to give Thane more time after ME3.

[wildannie]

Han Shot First wrote...

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Imagine for a moment that you are a fan of a TV series where the protagonist ends up dating someone who has terminal cancer. That drama and impending tragedy plays out for the entire season, only for the next season to open with the person miraculously cured of terminal cancer, as if a wizard did it. Would your reaction be, "Wow, awesome" or "Wait, what?!"

I know I'd fall in the second group.

Curing Thane would be lame from a storytelling perspective.

Oh my! you've made me see the light! /sarcasm

This is not a TV series but a game... I love games but 'soaps'? (the kinds of series that routinely use that kind of storyline)... hate 'em, so for me it's not comparable.  I play games for escapism, and enjoyment not to have the grim realities of life forced on me.  

*sighs* I look at it this way

When we encounter Thane in ME2, he's in a bad place, he's given up on his son and his life.  He has a terminal but treatable illness but has chosen not to to pursue all the avenues of treatment available.

We learn through talking to Thane that more effective treatments or a cure are a possibility in the quite near future but probably not before he's succumbed.

Through meeting shepard Thane potentially finds a friend or even lover and gets talking to his son again.  Some might think that that change in his life and persepective would lead to his changing his mind about the treatements he's refusing (transplant) and choose to extend his life.  By extending his life he may go on to live to see a real cure in the future, this isn't miraculous... this is pretty logical.

Modifié par wildannie, 03 juillet 2011 - 03:25 .