Depending which shep, the LI to any of my sheps would die to save shep i think. SO the current LI.
Liara, Kaidan, Thane, or Jack in all my sheps cases.
If Shepard was incapacitated, which squadmate would be best to lead?
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#127
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 05:56
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Miranda. Kind of what XO means :/
#128
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:08
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^But no one trusts Miranda due to her odd ideas about human dominance and Failberus ties.
#129
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:21
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Why are people saying Wrex? Sure, he may have battle experience, but he wouldn't be the best leader for anyone who isn't Krogan.
#130
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:25
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Garrus. I think it's telling that nobody objects to him being fire leader like they do with Miranda.
Sure, he got his last team killed, but consider the circumstances. If you have to have a flaw, 'trusting your subordinates' isn't the worst one you could have.
Sure, he got his last team killed, but consider the circumstances. If you have to have a flaw, 'trusting your subordinates' isn't the worst one you could have.
#131
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:39
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I know everyone is saying Garrus, but I really don't know how I'd feel leaving him in charge after his team got killed. Not because HE was responsible for his team, but rather that the possible emotional damage or anxiety about loosing a new team may effect his performance (oh god I'm thinking way too hard about this).
I think I would actually put someone more like Anderson in charge, mainly because he reminds me of a certain captain from Battle Star Galactica. :3
But if I HAD to choose a squad mate, I would probably choose Thane. Every other character may fit the mold of a leader better, but they all have very deeply rooted personal issues (Miranda demanding she be put in charge of almost every team during suicide missions. Her issues with Jack. Jack being too violent and self centered. Jacob insisting that we head through the relay before getting the rest of our crew. Samara's code sometimes being inconvenient. Ashley being too loyal to the alliance. Kaidan being too-- Kaidan. Wrex being forceful because of cultural differences, Grunt being an infant. Liara being socially awkward. Kasumi being too soft and not being able to let go of painful memories. Zaeed blowing **** up to get personal revenge. And finally, nobody would trust a geth, although Legion was my first choice. OH! And Tali is too focused on saving her homeworld and going to war)
Thane's over all thought process and stance on moral choices (along with being slightly stoic towards life and death. Being empathetic towards those around you while also being able to depersonalize one's self to carry out a job efficiently) fit very closely to my own. I have a strong work ethic. 8)
I think I would actually put someone more like Anderson in charge, mainly because he reminds me of a certain captain from Battle Star Galactica. :3
But if I HAD to choose a squad mate, I would probably choose Thane. Every other character may fit the mold of a leader better, but they all have very deeply rooted personal issues (Miranda demanding she be put in charge of almost every team during suicide missions. Her issues with Jack. Jack being too violent and self centered. Jacob insisting that we head through the relay before getting the rest of our crew. Samara's code sometimes being inconvenient. Ashley being too loyal to the alliance. Kaidan being too-- Kaidan. Wrex being forceful because of cultural differences, Grunt being an infant. Liara being socially awkward. Kasumi being too soft and not being able to let go of painful memories. Zaeed blowing **** up to get personal revenge. And finally, nobody would trust a geth, although Legion was my first choice. OH! And Tali is too focused on saving her homeworld and going to war)
Thane's over all thought process and stance on moral choices (along with being slightly stoic towards life and death. Being empathetic towards those around you while also being able to depersonalize one's self to carry out a job efficiently) fit very closely to my own. I have a strong work ethic. 8)
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#133
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:53
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Miranda is the only one with the ability I'd trust with the ship and the mission. For those who don't trust her on the team, put Tali in as second-in-command.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:55
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I know everyone is saying Garrus, but I really don't know how I'd feel leaving him in charge after his team got killed. Not because HE was responsible for his team, but rather that the possible emotional damage or anxiety about loosing a new team may effect his performance (oh god I'm thinking way too hard about this).
This is a fair point about Garrus.
He does seem to be suffering from survivor's guilt, which in humans would be a classic sign of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Then again, some Shepards are in the same boat.
#136
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:01
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GunMoth wrote...
I know everyone is saying Garrus, but I really don't know how I'd feel leaving him in charge after his team got killed. Not because HE was responsible for his team, but rather that the possible emotional damage or anxiety about loosing a new team may effect his performance (oh god I'm thinking way too hard about this).
I focused on this mentality as well - in reverse. Having gotten up close and personal with the fallout of his failures, it would be impossible for Shepard to appoint Garrus as the SM fire team leader without his previous squad's fate coming to mind. In choosing him, Garrus had to realize that I still had complete faith in his ability to lead. I was challenging him to leave that crap behind and step up his game, and he didn't disappoint.
I also disagree with your assessment of Thane, personally...while I don't doubt his skill, he's worked as an assassin all his life, and that means a lifetime of working alone. It's one thing to be in a squad and take orders...but it's entirely another to command them and be responsible for a number of lives besides your own.
Overall, these are my top five picks:
- Garrus
- Miranda
- Ashley
- Kaidan
- Wrex
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#137
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:40
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YungD815 wrote...
taffy_17 wrote...
Zaeed! He's like Shepard but take cheques!
And the only one that walks out alive!
hey, you can't doubt his experiance, sounds like he did a pretty good job of leading the blue suns until he got shot in the back, and for the right incentive (usually financial) i think he'd get everyone out and complete the mission
#138
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:00
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taffy_17 wrote...
YungD815 wrote...
taffy_17 wrote...
Zaeed! He's like Shepard but take cheques!
And the only one that walks out alive!
hey, you can't doubt his experiance, sounds like he did a pretty good job of leading the blue suns until he got shot in the back, and for the right incentive (usually financial) i think he'd get everyone out and complete the mission
People have been trying to make the case that Zaeed is a good, or even a half-decent leader ever since ME2 was released. I really don't get it.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:08
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Depends...is this a single mission (like Obsidian did in KOTOR 2)? What are the objectives? Stealth? Survival? Destruction? Stratgey? I think that each of the characters in the game that have the capability to lead have different strengths and weaknesses - and therefore would be more suitable to lead depending on the situation.
#140
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:24
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Kenthen wrote...
taffy_17 wrote...
YungD815 wrote...
taffy_17 wrote...
Zaeed! He's like Shepard but take cheques!
And the only one that walks out alive!
hey, you can't doubt his experiance, sounds like he did a pretty good job of leading the blue suns until he got shot in the back, and for the right incentive (usually financial) i think he'd get everyone out and complete the mission
People have been trying to make the case that Zaeed is a good, or even a half-decent leader ever since ME2 was released. I really don't get it.
i guess its personal opinion, i don't get why people like miranda because i think she's arrogant and should be left in her office to do cerberus stuff as opposed to questioning sheps judgement
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:33
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Wrex? If he's still alive, he's busy with Tuchanka and clan Urdnot.
Miranda? Would get questioned and doubted too much because of her Cerberus background. She's a human supremacist and might make the wrong decisions.
Garrus? He's got his head in the right place, but sometimes he's impatient or too emotional. (He'd feel guilt for losing teammates)
Jacob? Too much of a nice guy. Not nearly enough charisma.
Mordin? Good choice, if it weren't for him showing his age and being less stronger than the other teammates, because he's a scientist salarian in his old age. And he's too important to risk losing; He's a scientist who may actually save the Krogan race.
Kaidan or Ashley? Kaidan seems to lack the charisma, and is a bit too quick to judge things. Ashley is slightly racist and impulsive.
The others? They're all loners (Thane, Kasumi, Zaeed, Jack, LEGION, Samara, Morinth) or too young. (Morinth, Kasumi, Tali, Grunt)
So I'd have to say Liara. But even THEN, Liara lacks a bit of charisma and she is a scientist. Though I still think she's the best choice. Zaeed might be good if he's sent with an army, but left alone or aside. He'd get the job done himself.
And of course, there's always Anderson! He's the closest one you have to a paragon Shepard. Though he lacks some additional "fire", that younger men get on the battlefield. Though he'd be a damn good leader.
The kind of dream team that could be in ME3 without Shepard being alive, would have to be:
Garrus, Liara, VS, Vega, Tali, Mordin, Miranda, Jacob, Grunt with EDI, Anderson and Joker on the ship.
Everyone reports to Anderson, who stays on ship most of the time and is the team's liaison and handler. Liara leads the ground force alongside Garrus (2nd in command of the fire team). Mordin provides tactical help. And Miranda...could be a potention 2nd in command that could replace Garrus should the need ever be. She'd be the one in command of communications and building a feeling of cohesion between teammates. Yeah, I could see that happen.
Miranda? Would get questioned and doubted too much because of her Cerberus background. She's a human supremacist and might make the wrong decisions.
Garrus? He's got his head in the right place, but sometimes he's impatient or too emotional. (He'd feel guilt for losing teammates)
Jacob? Too much of a nice guy. Not nearly enough charisma.
Mordin? Good choice, if it weren't for him showing his age and being less stronger than the other teammates, because he's a scientist salarian in his old age. And he's too important to risk losing; He's a scientist who may actually save the Krogan race.
Kaidan or Ashley? Kaidan seems to lack the charisma, and is a bit too quick to judge things. Ashley is slightly racist and impulsive.
The others? They're all loners (Thane, Kasumi, Zaeed, Jack, LEGION, Samara, Morinth) or too young. (Morinth, Kasumi, Tali, Grunt)
So I'd have to say Liara. But even THEN, Liara lacks a bit of charisma and she is a scientist. Though I still think she's the best choice. Zaeed might be good if he's sent with an army, but left alone or aside. He'd get the job done himself.
And of course, there's always Anderson! He's the closest one you have to a paragon Shepard. Though he lacks some additional "fire", that younger men get on the battlefield. Though he'd be a damn good leader.
The kind of dream team that could be in ME3 without Shepard being alive, would have to be:
Garrus, Liara, VS, Vega, Tali, Mordin, Miranda, Jacob, Grunt with EDI, Anderson and Joker on the ship.
Everyone reports to Anderson, who stays on ship most of the time and is the team's liaison and handler. Liara leads the ground force alongside Garrus (2nd in command of the fire team). Mordin provides tactical help. And Miranda...could be a potention 2nd in command that could replace Garrus should the need ever be. She'd be the one in command of communications and building a feeling of cohesion between teammates. Yeah, I could see that happen.
#142
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:39
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Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...
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Ugh, I can't believe anyone thinks GARRUS is a good leader. Hey Garrus, look over there! *guns down rest of team*
I'll stick with loyal, dependable, non-badassssss folks like Kaidan, Ashley, and Jacob. Liara maybe.
Wait...Ashley...and Jacob? When Ashley was encountered she had lost her squad and colony to geth and when Jacob is encountered (the head of security) he is hiding, alone behind a rail after losing control of his entire space station. If your reason for not picking Garrus is because he lost his team on Omega, then I'm not sure you can support Ashley or Jacob.
At least Garrus only lost a squad, and that was because one of it's members was manipulated by his enemies.
Let's be real here. People are picking Garrus because Garrus is a badassss! character — not because he's actually a good leader in any sense. After all, we haven't actually seen him do anything besides be a sniper, gripe about C-Sec, gripe about Sidonis, and brag about "reach and flexibility". If Garrus was an ordinary human, he would not be as universally lauded as he is, because there's just not a whole lot there. Garrus is one of the most overrated characters in the entire series as far as I'm concerned. Dude, how about writing some auto-calibration software already? But because he "looks cool" and "sounds cool", he's everybody's "bro".
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:47
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I'd pick garrus for his tactical and leadership skills and he knows when to be serious and when to joke around which is good for moral. Zaeed seems like a human version of grunt, ready to kill when u need him to but lacks the social interaction needed to command a crew which is made up of aliens also.And when i made him fire team leader he got his butt handed to him by the collectors. Miranda doesn't seem like a good choice, like garrus said during the suicide mission noone really trusts her and i think her "i'm never wrong" attitude would get on everyones nerves.
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#146
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 07:47
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Kenthen wrote...
taffy_17 wrote...
YungD815 wrote...
taffy_17 wrote...
Zaeed! He's like Shepard but take cheques!
And the only one that walks out alive!
hey, you can't doubt his experiance, sounds like he did a pretty good job of leading the blue suns until he got shot in the back, and for the right incentive (usually financial) i think he'd get everyone out and complete the mission
People have been trying to make the case that Zaeed is a good, or even a half-decent leader ever since ME2 was released. I really don't get it.
Well the case against Zaeed revolves around the suicide mission on the Turian Cruiser. And the assumption that all of his missions go like that.
It's a fairly major leap to reach that conclusion, requiring a lot of conjecture.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 08:12
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Garrus. When I was confronted with the option to have someone lead the fireteam in the suicide mission he was immediately who came to mind.
#148
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 08:13
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I'm just going to say Miranda once again because if she can make a Failberus project succeed then she can probably do anything!
#149
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 08:17
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Kaidan/Miranda, I wouldn't trust Tali to take care of my Space Hamster, let alone lead a group of people.
I am not perfectly sure, which one of the two I'd prefer. I think their way of leading might be really different, but since Miri knows the crew already, I'd put her in charge with Kaidan as XO.
I am not perfectly sure, which one of the two I'd prefer. I think their way of leading might be really different, but since Miri knows the crew already, I'd put her in charge with Kaidan as XO.
#150
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 08:18
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Rolling Flame wrote...
Why are people saying Wrex? Sure, he may have battle experience, but he wouldn't be the best leader for anyone who isn't Krogan.
Not to mention he is a clan leader and how Krogan view strength if shep gets incapacitated for any reason it = weakness so Wrex wouldn't even bother to help shep unless he felt petty for him and his pitty would = weakness with the Krogan he has under his banner so if Wrex is being judge by those Krogan he won't help shep if he can somehow to his typical FU to people and somehow still force those under his banner to see it as a great thing then he might help shep.
