I recently got into the Mass Effect games and loved the first one. Now I've got the second. I like it... it's just that Shepherd seems "different" and I don't have control over all her dialog. I recently just recruited Archangel/Garrus and had a really bizarre experience. I never picked him up in the first game. But apparently I should have and now my story is broken? When I first met the Illusive Man and asked him about my previous teammates there was a Garrus option. I had to google the name because I didn't recognize it. I ignored it and went on figuring it was some kind of glitch. Anyways, when I met Archangel suddenly we are best buddies? Just like old times...? Shepherd is smiling and shows genuine concern for this random dude whom (in my game) she unapologetically left on the Citadel due to him being the same race as Saren.
I'm really confused. Did I screw up my Mass Effect 1 save game by not recruiting this guy? Can I skip picking him up altogether? My involvement here was already shaky when the game forced me to play nice with Aria, and made me stupidly put that ticking time bomb Jack on the ship, but now it's like I'm playing something completely different.
Completely confused with Archangel
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 05:14
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There is slightly different dialogue for recruiting Garrus if you didn't have him in Mass 1, though why anyone would do that, I don't understand.
In any case, Mass 2 is more of a "need to get the best, most dangerous, greatest team ever" game than Mass 1 (Which works for me). Jack is probably your best character (SHOCKWAVE) and honestly, get to know her. She's not a ticking time bomb, she's actually one of the deepest characters in the game and doing her loyalty mission, you can really warm up to her/wish that your Shepard was a man so you can romance her.
Because who the **** in their right mind would choose Miranda over Jack? Crazy people, that's who.
In any case, Mass 2 is more of a "need to get the best, most dangerous, greatest team ever" game than Mass 1 (Which works for me). Jack is probably your best character (SHOCKWAVE) and honestly, get to know her. She's not a ticking time bomb, she's actually one of the deepest characters in the game and doing her loyalty mission, you can really warm up to her/wish that your Shepard was a man so you can romance her.
Because who the **** in their right mind would choose Miranda over Jack? Crazy people, that's who.
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 05:15
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Garrus is forced upon you in the second game, and is made the canon buddy for Shepard. Only way for you to make it not happen is to kill him off during the suicide mission.
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 05:34
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little_sargon wrote...
I recently got into the Mass Effect games and loved the first one. Now I've got the second. I like it... it's just that Shepherd seems "different" and I don't have control over all her dialog. I recently just recruited Archangel/Garrus and had a really bizarre experience. I never picked him up in the first game. But apparently I should have and now my story is broken? When I first met the Illusive Man and asked him about my previous teammates there was a Garrus option. I had to google the name because I didn't recognize it. I ignored it and went on figuring it was some kind of glitch. Anyways, when I met Archangel suddenly we are best buddies? Just like old times...? Shepherd is smiling and shows genuine concern for this random dude whom (in my game) she unapologetically left on the Citadel due to him being the same race as Saren.
I'm really confused. Did I screw up my Mass Effect 1 save game by not recruiting this guy? Can I skip picking him up altogether? My involvement here was already shaky when the game forced me to play nice with Aria, and made me stupidly put that ticking time bomb Jack on the ship, but now it's like I'm playing something completely different.
I know that if you don't recruit Garrus, Shepard just changes one line. "Garrus Vakarian?" There was some controversy over that at launch. And as for you ticking time bomb problem. Don't upgrade the Normandy's armour and the problem should be spearheaded with chance.
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 05:41
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Jack seems like a risky person to have on the ship and going into battle with little more than belts strapped to your chest is hilarious. But I'm good for crew members since I've got Zaeed and am off to pick up Tali. I agree about Miranda though. Her and Jacob are about as interesting as sandpaper. How do I get the different dialog? I didn't recruit Garrus in the first game but as I said the game seems to think I did. I mainly didn't get him because I picked up Wrex and he helped me get Tali's data. When Garrus showed up later asking to join the mission his anger with Saren seemed kind of fake and I was given the option to avoid this dude who looked like an agent for the bad guy. As for the mission, I let the "Blood Pack" Krogan leader kill him but it immediately gave me a game over so no I don't think he can die.
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 08:22
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honestly, I didn't know it was possible not to recruit garrus in me 1. why wouldn't you, he's soo badass. spectre master sniper + high explosive rounds x equals flaming death cannon
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 08:24
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that is so odd, im wondering why you would pass on garrus tho? he is a great character, and a good friend of shepards. i would of liked to see your dialogue when you finally saved him, lol confusion to the max.
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Posté 01 juillet 2011 - 11:09
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little_sargon wrote...
I recently got into the Mass Effect games and loved the first one. Now I've got the second. I like it... it's just that Shepherd seems "different" and I don't have control over all her dialog. I recently just recruited Archangel/Garrus and had a really bizarre experience. I never picked him up in the first game. But apparently I should have and now my story is broken? When I first met the Illusive Man and asked him about my previous teammates there was a Garrus option. I had to google the name because I didn't recognize it. I ignored it and went on figuring it was some kind of glitch. Anyways, when I met Archangel suddenly we are best buddies? Just like old times...? Shepherd is smiling and shows genuine concern for this random dude whom (in my game) she unapologetically left on the Citadel due to him being the same race as Saren.
I'm really confused. Did I screw up my Mass Effect 1 save game by not recruiting this guy? Can I skip picking him up altogether? My involvement here was already shaky when the game forced me to play nice with Aria, and made me stupidly put that ticking time bomb Jack on the ship, but now it's like I'm playing something completely different.
How can you not like Garrus?An awesome sniper,great sidekick,interesting person
and look at that epic visor he has!
Garrus and Tali are like the main squadmates I use while playing Mass Effect 1
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 01:10
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I rejected Garrus from my squad in ME1 to be a b1tch, and yeah, it turned out to be pointless since they assume he was with you before. Other than one line.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 01:36
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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
I rejected Garrus from my squad in ME1 to be a b1tch, and yeah, it turned out to be pointless since they assume he was with you before. Other than one line.
Supposedly femshep can't romance him if he wasn't in the squad in ME1.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:13
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Romance Garrus....? You have got to be kidding.
Anyways, I talked to him on the ship. It was normal. He mentioned how he left the Citadel after I had killed Saren. I'm on Illium now and talked to Liara. She just gave me a hug - a little too forthcoming but no weird out of character dialog from Shepherd (I picked her up last right before Ilos). The whole Garrus situation was very odd. The rest of the game is top notch - I don't know why they neglected this part. I searched a bit online and couldn't really find anything on it. I guess I'm one of the only people who turned him back?
Picking up Tali got me to forget all about it though
Can I get that asari matriarch/bartender/half-krogan on Illium on my team? She's more interesting than most everyone on my ship.
Anyways, I talked to him on the ship. It was normal. He mentioned how he left the Citadel after I had killed Saren. I'm on Illium now and talked to Liara. She just gave me a hug - a little too forthcoming but no weird out of character dialog from Shepherd (I picked her up last right before Ilos). The whole Garrus situation was very odd. The rest of the game is top notch - I don't know why they neglected this part. I searched a bit online and couldn't really find anything on it. I guess I'm one of the only people who turned him back?
Picking up Tali got me to forget all about it though
Can I get that asari matriarch/bartender/half-krogan on Illium on my team? She's more interesting than most everyone on my ship.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:35
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little_sargon wrote...
Romance Garrus....? You have got to be kidding.
Why not? Garrus is awesome! I mean, might not be good looking (unless you're part of a very niche group of people), but he's got a great personality. Well, guess if you're looking for that tortured soul who wants to make the world a better place but keeps getting his skull caved in by reality and needs some stability to fall back on.
Though, maybe my assessment is based on actually having picked him up in ME1
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:14
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that is so odd, im wondering why you would pass on garrus tho? he is a great character, and a good friend of shepards. i would of liked to see your dialogue when you finally saved him, lol confusion to the max.
To play an anti- alien bigot. Wrex is killable after you get him. Garrus is not.
The problem is, Garrus's dialog throughout ME2 should be completely different. I was thinking of doing a playthrough without Garrus myself as a anit-alien bigot, but what's the point? ME2 assumes you recruited him regardless. ME1's dialog is self contradicting anyway so it's not even worth it. One second Shepard is forced to defend aliens as Ashley voiced distrust then the next your calling Kaidan a traitor because he's not a bigot. If you go the the med clinic or meet wrex first you have to take them. No choice even though you don't need them . Same with Tali. Liara is the only one you need after the initial meeting.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:19
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Raven4030 wrote...
little_sargon wrote...
Romance Garrus....? You have got to be kidding.
Why not?
Because he looks like a raptor-cockroach-turtle-cat, maybe?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 08:13
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Not recruiting Garrus doesn't mean someone is playing an anti-alien bigot. I spent the entire game with Wrex and Tali as my teammates (meeting Wrex on Tuchanka was awesome.... the only weird thing is that him and Tali didn't have any dialog!). If you get Wrex first and take down Fist with him it doesn't even make sense why you would put Garrus on your ship. Garrus screwed up his C-Sec investigation and the only person more eager, whiny, and inexperienced than him is Conrad. Not to mention that he is a Turian and seems way too interested in Saren. Honestly, I think Conrad is a peg above him in the second game. Who tried to play the hero by looking for white collar bad guys and who decided to massacre mercenaries and take on three gangs at once while sending a dozen people to their deaths?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 10:05
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Not recruiting Garrus doesn't mean someone is playing an anti-alien bigot.
No, but it was mentioned as a possible reason to not recruit him.
I spent the entire game with Wrex and Tali as my teammates (meeting Wrex on Tuchanka was awesome.... the only weird thing is that him and Tali didn't have any dialog!). If you get Wrex first and take down Fist with him it doesn't even make sense why you would put Garrus on your ship.
Doesn't make any sense for Wrex to automatic join your crew either. Even if you get Garrus first it makes no sense that he joins your crew. At no point do you ever discuss them joining you beyond taking down Fist if they don;t meet you at the Dock elevator.
Garrus screwed up his C-Sec investigation and the only person more eager, whiny, and inexperienced than him is Conrad.
He didn't screw up anything. He was givien next to no time at all to launch an investigation on a guy whose records and movements are all classified. That he couldn't nail Saren before the Council convened is understandable. Clearly, they didn't want him to succeed. However, his investigation continued and was piggybacked by Shepard, leading him to Dr. Michel, Fist, Tali and the evidence. So I'd say his investigation was a success.
Not to mention that he is a Turian and seems way too interested in Saren.
So you would be leaving him behind due to bigotry.
A cop wanting to take down a criminal is "too interested", but a random krogan killer for hire on the payroll of some shadowy individual seems perfectly OK?
Honestly, I think Conrad is a peg above him in the second game. Who tried to play the hero by looking for white collar bad guys and who decided to massacre mercenaries and take on three gangs at once while sending a dozen people to their deaths?
Sidonis got Garrus's team killed. It's called betrayal.
Your post has been reported to the Garrus Anti-Defamation League. You'll hear from their lawyers soon.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 11:08
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Wrex is a mercenary and Krogan battlemaster. You hire him to fight for you. If you talk with him on the ship he mentions how he was once hired by Saren, but left because he could tell he was bad news, so there's curiosity on his part... not to mention his hidden desire to actually help his people. I talked to the volus banker who gave me info because Saren had betrayed the shadow broker, he put me in contact with Wrex who was going after Fist, and then I went after Fist, who told me about Tali, etc. No Garrus.
I just found Garrus' whole demeanor in the first game to be somewhat suspect. Just my opinion. Obviously I wasn't right but I'm playing the game how I want to play and that's what I thought at the time. I left him behind due to him acting in a way I thought suspicious, so no not bigotry. The fact that he was a Turian though seemed like it might be an issue (I had just finished a mission where one Turian turned on the other remember).
I just found Garrus' whole demeanor in the first game to be somewhat suspect. Just my opinion. Obviously I wasn't right but I'm playing the game how I want to play and that's what I thought at the time. I left him behind due to him acting in a way I thought suspicious, so no not bigotry. The fact that he was a Turian though seemed like it might be an issue (I had just finished a mission where one Turian turned on the other remember).
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Posté 04 juillet 2011 - 01:38
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In the scenario where you recruit Wrex outside of the investigation you do not hire him. He volunteers pretending to be an action junky and pays you money. Wrex's act is thoroughly unconvincing as it is all too clear he is an experienced and intelligent battlemaster. As such it is obvious he has hidden, sane, reasons for joining.
- I liked the way you handled Fist. Now I hear you're going after Saren. I was thinking I should come along. I'm not in this for the money. I wan't to be were the action is.
- We'll take you with us Wrex.
- I liked the way you handled Fist. Now I hear you're going after Saren. I was thinking I should come along. I'm not in this for the money. I wan't to be were the action is.
- We'll take you with us Wrex.
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Posté 04 juillet 2011 - 02:00
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little_sargon wrote...
Wrex is a mercenary and Krogan battlemaster. You hire him to fight for you. If you talk with him on the ship he mentions how he was once hired by Saren, but left because he could tell he was bad news, so there's curiosity on his part... not to mention his hidden desire to actually help his people.
Whatever happens after the fact has no bearing on the present situation. In this case, the present situation is taking down Fist. Just because our immediate goals are the same, does not mean he deserves my full trust and full access to my ship. All you know about Wrex when we meet him is that he is krogan, a merc and he was paid to assassinate Fist.
I just found Garrus' whole demeanor in the first game to be somewhat suspect. Just my opinion. Obviously I wasn't right but I'm playing the game how I want to play and that's what I thought at the time. I left him behind due to him acting in a way I thought suspicious, so no not bigotry. The fact that he was a Turian though seemed like it might be an issue (I had just finished a mission where one Turian turned on the other remember).
Sounds like bigotry. I saw an asian man kill another asian man. Therefore, all asians are guilty until proven innocent. Just switch "asian" with "turian".
