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[Computer_God91]

ThePwener wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Then you fail. The correct answer is yes. If you're like me then it's any means neccessary to save the galaxy (or Fereldan). You'd rather toss away you're own life just because you wouldn't sacrifice it to save everyone elses? So it's if I am going to die I'll take everyone with me?

Why bother going to any lengths to save the galaxy to only stop short once you have to give it everything you've got including your life?

Call me selfish, but unless it's my own child (which I don't have btw) Im not going to "sacrifice" myself. Fail? No, Im a survivalist. There is a difference. You fail though, by being a sycophant. At least Im honest, your not.

Funny, I'd say I'm a suvivalist too but if it was an option between just me dying or me and everyone else dying I think I may as well make my death mean something. Rather then be a coward and cause everyone else to die over my cowardice.

[fenix8081]

Photobomb wrote...

I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment but would instead call it a less than perfect ending. I would prefer to not have replacements and if there are replacements for key cutscene events they are not as effective as the original.

Now keep in mind (imo) there aren't many people that are critical to the overall story. While I'm no writer I am pretty sure Garrus, Kasumi, probably Zaeed, Grunt, Jacob or Miranda, Jack, and Thane could die with no real consequences.

While Tali, Samara, Mordin (saee below for Mordin), and Legion are essential. To expand; Tali convinces the Migrant Fleet to help despite having to work with the Geth. Samara speaks as a Justicaar to the Asari leadership to go along with Shep's plan (whatever that is). Legion convices the Geth collective to assist the meatbags. And then there is Mordin. Mordin helps with the fertile Krogan female to secure (I assume) the Krogan aid. But what if Mordin is dead. Is that entire mission now unavailable or does Mordin's nephew (the one with tenure at the Salarian university) show up and help Shepard.

Just food for thought.

Fake Edit: I say Jacob or Miranda are expendable because if one lives then the survivor can say, Oh it's this way to the secret Cerberus base that has the TIM and the Reaper tech that is controlling Cerberus.

Couldn't Garrus be important with any Turian issues.  Then again...he doesn't seem to be that important in Turian society like the other characters you mentioned, kind of an outcast or exile.  And Miranda or Jacob could be helpful since Cerberus is a confirmed enemy.

[Photobomb]

My list of people and their importance is as follows:

Not mission critical:
Garrus: ex-CSEC and Sheps's lackey. No importance or connections with Turian Authority.
VS: Spectre. That's about it.
Jack: Powerful biotic with no connections to criminal world.
Vega: Alliance soldier that is expendable.
Thane: Dying assassin with no importance.

Possibly important:
Kasumi: Only if you kept the graybox contents. Otherwise nothing more than a thief,
Zaeed: Only if he takes command of the Blue Suns with Vito's death (assuming Vito is KIA).
Miranda/Jacob: Finds way to location of TIM.
Grunt: I can't recall if he is fertile or not. If so he can get down with the fertile female or be Wrex's #2.
Mordin: Depends on his pull as a well known scientist and former STG.

Mission Critical:
Liara: The Shadow Broker and her intel are valuable
Samara: Secure Asari involvement.
Tali: Secures Quarian involvement
Legion: Secures Geth involvement.

With that list for the sake of argument being accurate how will the story change with their death. Do we get generic replacement as a temp squad member/ mission facilitator or are we SOL. I don't know how to feel about the use of replacements. On one hand Tali can be a big help getting the Quarians to play along but if she is dead should it be impossible to get their help. I would think not.

Modifié par Photobomb, 02 juillet 2011 - 05:29 .

[sonsofanarchy10]

All I can say about all this is; I feel somewhat sorry for the writers and game creators for the multiple scenes that can be played out in the next game. ME3 seems like there will be hundreds of different outcomes.

[SilentK]

Photobomb wrote...

Right now we have 5 squad members confirmed (whether they are permanent or not I will not speculate).

The VS
Liara
Vega
Tali
Garrus

Now while you can't do anything about the first 3 you can kill off the last two in the SM. The question is would you and who will Bioware use in their stead?

Now before the Talimancers and Team Dextro goons go apesh*t about killing Tali or Garrus I am just asking who would you replace them with?

E.g. In my "realistic" playthrough  I sided with the Geth and Tali took a rocket to the face as a result. Now do I get to pick her replacement (i.e. Miranda) or does Bioware go, Oh no you didn't here is Reegor with the near identical dialogue lol.

I have one Shep who lost Garrus, Samara, Jack and never recruited Tali, wonder how the game will handle Tali never taking part in ME2 except for that short thing in the beginning, thought that she died too earlier but looked at my old excelpage of my Sheps and got it right now     =)    that will be interesting. One Shep lost Miranda and Mording. One lost Jack, Garrus and Grunt. I'll make one Shep who keeps the entire team but that will wait for a while.

I don't think that you will get specific replacement squad memebers for Tali and Garrus. But I do hope that losing someone in the SM will give differences in the game. That's one of the reasons for me to play a variety of different Sheps. New background and military record combo, new class, new LI and different people lost in the SM. I'm hoping that if I say, lost Tali then in order to get the Quarians to help out my Shep will have to jump through some hops. She will have to work for it to get their support. That way this Shep will see something different from the ones who keept Tali and didn't have to prove themselves and that would make playing different Sheps more worthwhile. If there is no significant difference to losing a teammember it makes different combos in the SM less interesting. I hope that it the outcome won't simple be getting one q less than the other shep, but that you will actually get the opportunity to do something new in the game. I'm all for replay value.

Modifié par SilentK, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:54 .

[Photobomb]

SilentK wrote...

I have one Shep who lost Garrus, Samara, Jack and never recruited Tali, wonder how the game will handle Tali never taking part in ME2 except for that short thing in the beginning

That brings up a good point. I think (if I have the time) I will have a playthrough where I never recruit Tali (in ME1 & 2). How will the writers handle that?

I've seen the youtube footage of where you meet Garrus in ME2 and if you never recruited him in ME1 they only add 1 line of dialouge and then carry on as if they were bros.

I would hate to see Bioware not change her LI or responses to you if you NEVER even had her on your ship.

ME3 Tali, "Can I talk to you? I have had feeling for you for several years now."
ME3 Shep, "Who the f*ck are you?'

[AngelicMachinery]

I'd kill everybody if I could have either

A) A party made up solely of Shepard and Clones of Shepard
Shepard, Udina, and CONRAD VERNER!

[Medhia Nox]

Honestly - it seems like everyone is a Morinth, serial killer wanna-be these days.

"Who would you kill?"

Nobody, if I could avoid it.

[Photobomb]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Honestly - it seems like everyone is a Morinth, serial killer wanna-be these days.

"Who would you kill?"

Nobody, if I could avoid it.

Way to miss the entire point of this thread.

Pro reading comprehension is pro.

[sonsofanarchy10]

I was always hoping on my Evil Shep. I would have the choice to go solo with a few humans by my side and nobody else. I doubt it will happen but it's just a thought.

[Ryzaki]

I don't think you should get a replacement but you shouldn't lose out on content that has nothing to do with that character just for offing them. (like an upgrade or weapon).

[jeweledleah]

Photobomb wrote...

SilentK wrote...

I have one Shep who lost Garrus, Samara, Jack and never recruited Tali, wonder how the game will handle Tali never taking part in ME2 except for that short thing in the beginning

That brings up a good point. I think (if I have the time) I will have a playthrough where I never recruit Tali (in ME1 & 2). How will the writers handle that?

I've seen the youtube footage of where you meet Garrus in ME2 and if you never recruited him in ME1 they only add 1 line of dialouge and then carry on as if they were bros.

I would hate to see Bioware not change her LI or responses to you if you NEVER even had her on your ship.

ME3 Tali, "Can I talk to you? I have had feeling for you for several years now."
ME3 Shep, "Who the f*ck are you?'

Tali is a mandatory squadmate in ME1, however, I'm curious to see what happens if you haven't recruited her in ME2, seeing as she was in a pretty dire situation there... I would rather that she didn't magicaly survive, to be honest

edited to add.  I think its going to be wrex-->wreav like situation.  you'll have less dialogue and won't be able to have them as squadmates, and hopefuly, you'll have harder time setting up some sort of agreement.  for example - if you got Giana killed (or got your pass by snitching on Hanar shopkeeper) - she doesn't show up on Illium and as a result, you cannot talk to the shopkeeper and get discount on her wares.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 05 juillet 2011 - 11:02 .

[Lotto]

I don't think Garrus and Tali should have replacements. Needs to be some consequences for getting them killed, right?

[LTiberious]

 All except Garrus and Liara.

Must.die.

[leggywillow]

Pssh, I've already replaced Tali with my main man Legion.  ::GETH BROFIST::

[Mims]

All dead characters should be replaced with Conrad.

[Pallid]

Mims wrote...

All dead characters should be replaced with Conrad.

Or Jacob, even if he is dead too.

[sonsofanarchy10]

Conrad Verner... I hate that ******....lol

[Golden Owl]

Seboist wrote...

I'd sacrifice Garrus and Liara to the devil in exchange for Gavorn and Aria.

Liara...yep...Garrus?...Noooooo.......

[Photobomb]

leggywillow wrote...

Pssh, I've already replaced Tali with my main man Legion.  ::GETH BROFIST::

BROFIST

Do the robot!

[Sshodan]

I don't think there is going to be a "replacement". You will be given a "core squad" that will consist of characters that are 100% alive at this point - VS, Liara, Vega and probably one or two more.
If Garrus and Tali survived you'll get them as a bonus of sorts, if not than you are left with the "core squad". Simple.
As for others it will be interesting to see how that turn up. It would be good if survival of some of them will help you. but others will land you in trouble - surviving Morinth should not be a good thing, no? Jack with her trail of corpses may be an issue as well... A good deal of our companions had shady past, while it is not critical to a suicide mission, "commander Shepard the infallible leader of the galaxy" reputation can be damaged by certain associations.
Aditionally the conflicts that we had in ME2 between Tali and Legion and Miranda and Jack where put aside, that's true, but did they disappear? Will having Tali along damage your chances with geth? Or will Jack at last go after Miranda hurling the furniture around?
In shorts it would be interesting if the "everyone survives" situation is not the best possible outcome in the long run

[mopotter]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Photobomb wrote...

Right now we have 5 squad members confirmed (whether they are permanent or not I will not speculate).

The VS
Liara
Vega
Tali
Garrus

Now while you can't do anything about the first 3 you can kill off the last two in the SM. The question is would you and who will Bioware use in their stead?

Now before the Talimancers and Team Dextro goons go apesh*t about killing Tali or Garrus I am just asking who would you replace them with?

E.g. In my "realistic" playthrough  I sided with the Geth and Tali took a rocket to the face as a result. Now do I get to pick her replacement (i.e. Miranda) or does Bioware go, Oh no you didn't here is Reegor with the near identical dialogue lol.

They should be replaced with no one.

There are consequences for getting your team killed.

This. The apparent mantra for 3 seems to be that different playstyles shouldnt be 'punished' by people missing out on content, which I think is bull****. If someone didn't bother to keep Tali or Garrus alive there shouldn't be extra NPCs to replace them. Its too much work and that means that those that DID keep them alive miss out on whoever replaces them.

Your choices should have consequences, otherwise there is no point and a main selling point of the game becomes meaningless.

Also this, though I do not agree with the "it's too much work" part.

The whole purpose of playing more than once and having a number of different loses is to have different experiences in ME3.  

I want to have something result from Tali's death or Jacks or Garrus.  I would LOVE to have a game where I have to work around not having a full team.   I don't mind a couple of new people but I really think it's a loss to me, the play more than once with multiple choices throughout the game,  if there is a replacement for everyone.

[mopotter]

Computer_God91 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Then you fail. The correct answer is yes. If you're like me then it's any means neccessary to save the galaxy (or Fereldan). You'd rather toss away you're own life just because you wouldn't sacrifice it to save everyone elses? So it's if I am going to die I'll take everyone with me?

Why bother going to any lengths to save the galaxy to only stop short once you have to give it everything you've got including your life?

Call me selfish, but unless it's my own child (which I don't have btw) Im not going to "sacrifice" myself. Fail? No, Im a survivalist. There is a difference. You fail though, by being a sycophant. At least Im honest, your not.

Funny, I'd say I'm a suvivalist too but if it was an option between just me dying or me and everyone else dying I think I may as well make my death mean something. Rather then be a coward and cause everyone else to die over my cowardice.

In real life, yeh I hope I'd make the choice, people do it every day if they have a job where they can die.  A video game - I don't care if a choice is there for people who want to do that,  but there had better be other choices where I can save the galexy and survive with my LI.   I don't play video games for real life experiences.  I hated FA3 before broken steel. 

[mopotter]

sonsofanarchy10 wrote...

All I can say about all this is; I feel somewhat sorry for the writers and game creators for the multiple scenes that can be played out in the next game. ME3 seems like there will be hundreds of different outcomes.

Yes, but if they pull it off, I'll be eternally greatful.

[whywhywhywhy]

no replacements doesn't make sense between the council and the alliance some bodies should be provided to replace the missing ones. Whether or not they are effective or listens to you is another question.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 13 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .