Same reasoning for my self tbh but if its as powerful as some say maybe i should get it. As for weapons not coming over to ME3 because you didn't pick them up in the cs no one said you couldn't purchase them in me3.
Is soldier really useless in Mass Effect 3?
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#77
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:16
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Useless or not, it's gonna be the first class I'll be playing.
#78
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:41
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A Soldier... Is well a Soldier... I honestly wouldn't expect overly unique and overtly special abilities in the Soldier class because its the default class designed to just shoot stuff and shoot stuff darn well. All the other classes by definition have a combat purpose beyond just shooting things to death; thus resulting in the need for what will appear to be more drastically unique powers. However since those classes are branches of military training available to Shepard it is reasonable to believe that they would have one or two traits in relation to the Soldier. A good way to view the classes is to compare it any military really; you're always a rifleman first and then a specialized role after. Way I see it is that classes other than Soldier are just further specializations of the Soldier class.
This isn't to put the Soldier class down in anyway, I personally prefer and love playing Vanguard, but my brother likes to just shoot things and not deal with having to use biotic powers and what not. Its each to his own. Honestly I think the Soldier class is plenty unique as it is already with the powers that they have, especially Adrenaline Rush; that is a very deadly ability and quite unique. Combine that with the stat bonuses the ability provides that were mentioned in earlier posts and that you can use it with any weapon and I think it more than makes up for the Infiltrator's sniper rifle slo-mo (even when invisi) or the Vanguard Heavy Charge. When comparing the Soldier slo-mo to Vanguard slo-mo it should be noted that you have to choose Heavy Charge as a Vanguard to be able to get the slo-mo anyway, and honestly the Vanguard slo-mo only lets you get off one shot compared to the Adrenaline Rush and it only recharges Shields with no other stat bonuses.
This isn't to put the Soldier class down in anyway, I personally prefer and love playing Vanguard, but my brother likes to just shoot things and not deal with having to use biotic powers and what not. Its each to his own. Honestly I think the Soldier class is plenty unique as it is already with the powers that they have, especially Adrenaline Rush; that is a very deadly ability and quite unique. Combine that with the stat bonuses the ability provides that were mentioned in earlier posts and that you can use it with any weapon and I think it more than makes up for the Infiltrator's sniper rifle slo-mo (even when invisi) or the Vanguard Heavy Charge. When comparing the Soldier slo-mo to Vanguard slo-mo it should be noted that you have to choose Heavy Charge as a Vanguard to be able to get the slo-mo anyway, and honestly the Vanguard slo-mo only lets you get off one shot compared to the Adrenaline Rush and it only recharges Shields with no other stat bonuses.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:43
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According to Biowares stats more players use soldier then any other class combined.
Therefore its most likely they we get the attention most as its pinnacle to most players experience. I wouldnt worry about it.
Therefore its most likely they we get the attention most as its pinnacle to most players experience. I wouldnt worry about it.
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#80
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:46
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I play soldier! *Raises hand.*
#81
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 01:00
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Now femshep's fave weaponBluko wrote...
I am Heavy Weapons Guy and this is my weapon:
Seriously how can you complain. Soldiers get this and Adrenaline Rush. Not to mention we even have Frags in ME3 to really blow stuff up. Nobody can outshoot the Soldier.
yAy!
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 01:32
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Umm, no? Soldier is an excellent class.
#84
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 02:34
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I'd imagine the soldier will still have more health/armor/resistance (whatever you want to call it) than any other class and can wear more different weapons than the other classes at the same time, making him able to adapt to more situations. With BW's promise that ME3's combat will be harder than it's predecessors, I think the soldier will be a very useful class indeed.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 02:38
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IDK how the reason stated by the OP makes the Soldier useless in ME3.
#86
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 02:53
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Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
IDK how the reason stated by the OP makes the Soldier useless in ME3.
What are you missing? OP states he likes only using the Soldier class due to the Assault Rifle. Now everyone gets to use said Assault Rifle. It is comprable to everybody getting "Sentinel Armor" via Fortification or Geth Shield Boost, halfway through the game.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:16
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VegasVance wrote...
Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
IDK how the reason stated by the OP makes the Soldier useless in ME3.
What are you missing? OP states he likes only using the Soldier class due to the Assault Rifle. Now everyone gets to use said Assault Rifle. It is comprable to everybody getting "Sentinel Armor" via Fortification or Geth Shield Boost, halfway through the game.
Adrenaline rush is the soliders unique thing.
#88
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:22
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VegasVance wrote...
To the people who point out being able to use all guns is such a great thing with soldier class I feel compelled to remind you of the two major draw backs with that.
1. Not every weapon is useful, and a majority of the time an AR will do the trick quite well.
2. Unlike Tech or Biotic upgrades, soldiers have to upgrade every single weapon, to reach their full potential.
Addendum: Out of all the classes I feel that the soldier should of gotten the 25% discount because we buy/build so damn much.
To those who point out to Adrenaline Rush being such a good skill, Infiltrators have a slowdown with any sniper rifle via class power, and the Vanguards charge is much more powerful due to it being able to be affected by biotic bonuses as well
Charge in ME2 is NOT affected by biotic bonuses.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:28
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Raxxman wrote...
Adrenaline rush is the soliders unique thing.
Not particuarly. Heavy Charge gives Vanguards a time distortion and recharges their barrier. And as I've mentioned before Infiltrators get time dialation via class power for SR (which has no recharge time)
#90
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:58
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The soldier isn't useless by any stretch. That said, I would like something that differentiates the soldier beyond being able to carry all weapon types simultaneously. Adrenaline rush is great, but it's the only good power the soldier has. Concussive shot (useless in ME2) is supposed to be getting an upgrade, though it sounds like it's affected by ammo type. Which means what, that incendiary ammo basically gives us incineration, cryo ammo gives us cryo blast, and disruptor ammo gives us overload?
I'd rather see weapon specific powers return. Carnage and Assasination for sure, but probably something besides Overkill and Marksman for assault rifles and pistols, respectively. At least not both, because those two were essentially the same power.
How about "Penetration" for the AR, which allows you to shoot through cover; and "Detonation" for the pistol, which cause the rounds to chain-explode once enough hit the target. Think about the needler from Halo for reference, except without the color pink.
The smg wasn't in ME1, and never had a power associated with it. Again, I'm drawing on the needler for inspiration here, but "Tracking" could allow you to hit a target with a tracer device, and then even when the target goes behind cover you can shoot around the corner and the bullets will arc around to hit him. So in this instance the smg would temporarily work like biotic powers in that it can hit targets in cover.
Anyway, those are my ideas.
I'd rather see weapon specific powers return. Carnage and Assasination for sure, but probably something besides Overkill and Marksman for assault rifles and pistols, respectively. At least not both, because those two were essentially the same power.
How about "Penetration" for the AR, which allows you to shoot through cover; and "Detonation" for the pistol, which cause the rounds to chain-explode once enough hit the target. Think about the needler from Halo for reference, except without the color pink.
The smg wasn't in ME1, and never had a power associated with it. Again, I'm drawing on the needler for inspiration here, but "Tracking" could allow you to hit a target with a tracer device, and then even when the target goes behind cover you can shoot around the corner and the bullets will arc around to hit him. So in this instance the smg would temporarily work like biotic powers in that it can hit targets in cover.
Anyway, those are my ideas.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:59
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Two things I'd like to see for the Soldier in ME3;
1. Heavy armor, exclusive to the Soldier class, with custom upgrades. BioWare has said they're going to improve customization in ME3.
2. Access to every ammo power--every single one, -without- needing "special training," as in choosing a bonus power. If the Soldier can carry every weapon, then the Solider should be able to use every ammo type.
Both my sons were Marines, I was a B-52 bombardier, and we're all avid gamers. We've discussed specialized training for weapons and ammunition and how it applies to many shooters and combat games in general. In the ME universe and game dynamic, if it shoots, then the soldier should be able to shoot it (every class can do that now), and use anything that shoots out of it. Carry every weapon=shoot every ammo type.
Of course, in ME2 ammo powers weren't tech specs of the ammo itself; they were freeze and fire and shock spells. Hopefully ammo won't be magic missiles in ME3.
If BioWare has already said something on these two topics, please direct me to the source so I can keep up to speed.
1. Heavy armor, exclusive to the Soldier class, with custom upgrades. BioWare has said they're going to improve customization in ME3.
2. Access to every ammo power--every single one, -without- needing "special training," as in choosing a bonus power. If the Soldier can carry every weapon, then the Solider should be able to use every ammo type.
Both my sons were Marines, I was a B-52 bombardier, and we're all avid gamers. We've discussed specialized training for weapons and ammunition and how it applies to many shooters and combat games in general. In the ME universe and game dynamic, if it shoots, then the soldier should be able to shoot it (every class can do that now), and use anything that shoots out of it. Carry every weapon=shoot every ammo type.
Of course, in ME2 ammo powers weren't tech specs of the ammo itself; they were freeze and fire and shock spells. Hopefully ammo won't be magic missiles in ME3.
If BioWare has already said something on these two topics, please direct me to the source so I can keep up to speed.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:12
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VegasVance wrote...
Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
IDK how the reason stated by the OP makes the Soldier useless in ME3.
What are you missing? OP states he likes only using the Soldier class due to the Assault Rifle. Now everyone gets to use said Assault Rifle. It is comprable to everybody getting "Sentinel Armor" via Fortification or Geth Shield Boost, halfway through the game.
Everyone got to use the Assault Rifle in ME2.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:13
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Juha81FIN wrote...
Soldier is the only class that can have Revenant AR, that counts at least something.
Yeahhh, I switched it back to my burst fire gun almost right away.
Captain Crash wrote...
According to Biowares stats more players use soldier then any other class combined.
Therefore
its most likely they we get the attention most as its pinnacle to most
players experience. I wouldnt worry about it.
This might
be, because it's the "simple" class. Where you just go and shoot.
That's why I picked it anyhows. I wanted to shoot with my gun and have
biggest armor and most health, without having to use my powers all the
time.
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#94
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:20
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Soldiers are tough and are not useless they can carry about 7 weapons
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:22
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Soldier is the deadliest class. I have played 10 soldier playthroughs, 1 infiltrator and tried Vanguard class once. I can be blamed for not playing right, but frankly, soldier is the dealy killing machine, despite it being quite bland. Soldier all the way! Even with other classes being able to handle Assault Rifles in ME3, Soldier will carry all of them (save for SMG) all the time during combat. Also, I don't think any other class will get to play the mighty Revnant. I like that gun more than Mattock and Vindicator.sickserb wrote...
My first playthrough of ME1 I chose the soldier, and I haven't looked back. My main playthrough is a soldier from ME1-->ME2, but im not sure if I will use him in ME3. If you can use an assault rifle in ME3 as any class, I see no point in using a soldier. Can anyone shed some light on this?
#96
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:26
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Well, Vanguards also put them in harm's way quite a lot. There gameplay style is aggressive, but it simply doesn't suit me, not on insanity at least. You end up being gutted quite often after using charge.VegasVance wrote...
Raxxman wrote...
Adrenaline rush is the soliders unique thing.
Not particuarly. Heavy Charge gives Vanguards a time distortion and recharges their barrier. And as I've mentioned before Infiltrators get time dialation via class power for SR (which has no recharge time)
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:28
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I love your thoughts!Captain Crash wrote...
According to Biowares stats more players use soldier then any other class combined.
Therefore its most likely they we get the attention most as its pinnacle to most players experience. I wouldnt worry about it.
#98
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:28
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If you enjoyed soldier in ME and ME2, you'll probably enjoy soldier in ME3. Why worry about whether 'class x' can and or can't do something soldier does? Play what you enjoy.
#99
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:34
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Aren't the classes unique enough?
The soldier is a walking armory. What more do you want?
I think that the powers could be made a bit more unique, Adrenaline rush is probably my least favorite class-specific power, but I'm not saying it's a bad power.
Besides, each class is designed for a specific type of player.
I'm an infiltrator. I always will be. I don't hate the soldier class, it just doesn't appeal to me.
The soldier is a walking armory. What more do you want?
I think that the powers could be made a bit more unique, Adrenaline rush is probably my least favorite class-specific power, but I'm not saying it's a bad power.
Besides, each class is designed for a specific type of player.
I'm an infiltrator. I always will be. I don't hate the soldier class, it just doesn't appeal to me.
#100
Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 04:58
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They can carry all classes of weapons at all times, the other classes can only carry two or three classes, and get all ammo powers. They get exclusive access to LMG's (the Revenant), frag grenades (although other classes get some form of throwable object - eg. Proximity Mines and Lift Orbs) and whatever Fortitude happens to be, which sounds like it'll be sort of like Immunity and Fortification, although this is probably the default if you didn't import ME2 - if you did, you'll have access to whatever bonus power you chose then.
