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[ThePwener]

Holy ****! It's the naked loli from Game of Thrones! Hahahahaha

Dammit, a year before season 2......

[1136342t54_]

I don't think most people understand that Garrus tried to be a Spectre TWICE. The first time his dad didn't like it and the second time he felt it took too long for him to become one. Instead he became a badass all by himself. Suffice to say he doesn't care for being a Spectre anymore he basically is one already.

[CSunkyst]

SandTrout wrote...

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people very vehement about the VS being a specter, one way or the other. I personally don't think that is unreasonable for the VS to be a specter, but that's really besides the point.

The question I really want to ask, is why some people seem to think that the VS has been confirmed as being a specter in ME3? I must have missed that press release.

Both Kaiden and Ash have Spectre logos on their armor in ME3.  There hasn't been a "press release" but there is good strong solid evidence you can point to as proof that the VS WILL be a Spectre in ME3. 

[Chuvvy]

CSunkyst wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people very vehement about the VS being a specter, one way or the other. I personally don't think that is unreasonable for the VS to be a specter, but that's really besides the point.

The question I really want to ask, is why some people seem to think that the VS has been confirmed as being a specter in ME3? I must have missed that press release.

Both Kaiden and Ash have Spectre logos on their armor in ME3.  There hasn't been a "press release" but there is good strong solid evidence you can point to as proof that the VS WILL be a Spectre in ME3. 

Or they're playing dress up. That'd be weird.

[ThePwener]

Where?





I don't see it....

[Destroy Raiden_]

You know, I just thought of something that better not be her space suit I think Ash has been reading Miranda's guide on space safety again.

[knightnblu]

I think that Garrus has more than earned Spectre status. While I wholly agree with the VS achieving Spectre, it is long overdue for Garrus. If I were Shep, I would make sure that happened if he wanted it. If we all survive the Reapers that is.

[Destroy Raiden_]

TeenZombie wrote...

Ashley or Kaidan's new job is probably a plot point in ME3. Shepard can turn down the position in ME2, so if the plot demands having a Human Spectre around, having the VS fill that role makes sense.

The story doesn't *need* Garrus to be a Spectre.

That's a neat idea make it dependant on weather we got our spector status or not. In my case I got it so hopefully that mean VS isn't a Spector and they just got a promotion up a rank instead.

[CSunkyst]

With Kaidan unfortunately it's right where the shine is on his chest, but zoom in and you can clearly make it out. You'll never see the logo in that pic of Ash because the logo is on her gloves.

It's very VERY clearly there on her glove though, look up either Ash pics from E3, or watch the end of the escaping Earth demo. 

(edited to fix a typo)

Modifié par CSunkyst, 02 juillet 2011 - 03:49 .

[CSunkyst]

Sorry, I never play around with pics and I have no idea how to post one...

http://social.biowar...index/7625942/1

Last pic of page one has a good example.

[SandTrout]

Interesting, it is on the glove.

Thanks for the find. Makes as much sense as anyone becoming the next human specter

[bigredfrew97]

TeenZombie wrote...

Ashley or Kaidan's new job is probably a plot point in ME3. Shepard can turn down the position in ME2, so if the plot demands having a Human Spectre around, having the VS fill that role makes sense.

The story doesn't *need* Garrus to be a Spectre.

Exactly, as well as Garrus doesn't need to be a spectre. He's badass enough as it is. The VS would see it as well-deserved recognition (definitely for Ash). The "Garrus being a bad spectre" discussion I don't completely agree with, though. He is reckless, and he doesn't make good decisions many times, but look at the other spectres we've met. Other than Nhilus, they weren't particularly level-headed either. 

[bigredfrew97]

Modifié par bigredfrew97, 02 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .

[naledgeborn]

CSunkyst wrote...

Of course Shep was a higher rank, though the only reason Ash is so low on the totem pole is supposedly only because her family name is tarnished. I'm just looking at acomplishments.

Ash (and Kaiden) helped save the Citadel from a Geth attack (saved the whole damn galaxy really, but the council doesn't want to recognize that) she was the sole survivor of her unit on Eden prime, and her scores have always been above average. I say that at least rivals anything Shep did pre-Spectre. Especially sole survivor (sorry sole survivor fans) I was always under the impression that sole survivor Shep survived more so because he was lucky rather than skilled.

Unlike renegade Shepard, Garrus is reckless, not ruthless, which I think works against him when it comes to being concidered for Spectre status.

Uh yeah. Because running for your life from 4 Geth and then getting rescued by Shepard and Alenko is totally badass. And being rescued from a Collector attack on Horizon, the badassery is inconceivable. And I Iike Ash. The distinct difference between Sole Survivor and Williams is that Shepard survived it alone and against the first recorded Thresher Maw attack in human history. 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 02 juillet 2011 - 05:10 .

[Sheppard-Commander]

Garrus deserves to be a Spectre...much more than Kaidan/Ashley. Give him something to do other than calibrations.

[100k]

ArcticMan94 wrote...

No. The Reapers deserve a fair chance.

Own'd in the first reply! 

[100k]

CSunkyst wrote...
YES, Ashley is very capable of being a Spectre, if anything her pre-Spectre resume is MORE impressive than Shep's (Especially if in your game she led a group of Salarian spies into a warzone for a SUICIDE mission and somehow SURVIVED)

I dunno. Shepard is--

1. A war hero, meaning that he/she either killed a mountain of people on the battle field, or was a brilliant tactician under heavy fire. 
2. The survivor of a threshar maw attack. I'd rather fight in a battle than go up against one-- let alone three of those things.
3. A survivor who single handedly butchered g0ddamn batarian pirate scum that tried to enslave his/her family. 

That's pretty damn impressive. Hell, all the more impressive because Shepard didn't have the luxury of working with people like Spectres at first. 

Garrus spent two games whining about authority, and then he got his entire team killed.  Garrus isn't a serious Spectre candidate because he isn't so likely to be a good Spectre as much as he's likely to be a ROGUE Spectre.  He's talented, but giving him that kind of authority would be a very poor choice.

The past two games seem to set up Garrus's conflicts with the moralities of right and wrong--easy and lawful courses of action. My guess is that these actions are in place so that in ME3, Garrus can be a Spectre that is either a Rogue/Renegade (if that's how Shepard trained him), or a Paragon (if that's how Shepard trained him). It just fits his character arch that he'd either become like Saren, or like paraShep. 

[CSunkyst]

But you have to remember, any given Shep has only ONE of those backgrounds. So he has ONE noteworthy accomplishment on his resume before being considered for the Spectres.

Also, how did sole survivor Shep survive the first recoeded human encounter with a Thresher Maw? I just always had the impression that Shep was lucky more than anything else. I picture the encounter going down like this... his squad was probably wiped out in about 2 seconds, and Shep was lucky enough to have not been crushed instantly, then he was lucky enough to hightail it out of there. That's how I picture it at least, so I never thought sole survivor was all that impressive.

So I honestly believe the VS is plenty qualified, (probably slightly more or less so depending upon what you had them do on Virmire.) I think most people against the VS as Spectre are simply people who don't like either character in the first place (so they have that going against them already) and they probably hardly ever used the VS in their party, so from their POV it's like "What the hell did they do???" Ash is my Shep's LI (I stayed "faithful" even) and she was in my party quite a bit in ME1, so her Spectre status makes perfect sense from my POV, and I'm looking forward to being partners in crime again in ME3 (now equal partners apparently, which should be interesting).

I think Garrus' capabilities are being over-exaggerated due to his popularity. He's a fine character, but he's not any more or less qualified for the job than Kaidan or Ash are. It's not like he was the top Turian Spectre candidate, he was one of a THOUSAND candidates. Plus, Garrus spent most of his career as a frustrated cop, not a soldier. Nationality aside, Barney Miller isn't getting flagged by her royal majesty for double-O status anytime soon.

If Garrus IS a Spectre in ME3, that's just too many Spectres for my tastes, and too many people Shep knows becoming Spectres. So if that's the case I may actually go back and kill Garrus off in the suicide mission. Not because I don't like Garrus (I do) but simply to preserve my willing suspension of disbelief.

Modifié par CSunkyst, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:32 .

[naledgeborn]

@CSunkyst

I like both Ashley and Kaidan. They're my favorites from ME1 besides Wrex, Saren, and back stabbing Udina. But to say that they deserve Spectre status based on their accomplishments before ME1 is biased. Personally I don't think Garrus deserves it either. He's too hot-headed and would make questionable decisions. If Ashley/Kaidan earned their Spectre status it was while Shepard was dead, not before.

[CSunkyst]

no no no, I'm clearly counting their acomplishments DURING ME1 too. I'm Dismissing anything Shep did during ME1 because he was ALREADY a Spectre.

I'm saying if being a sole survivor was enough to get Shepard considered, then surely their Eden Prime/Virmire heroics and being a key part of the team that saved the Citadel are enough to get the VS considered for the job. I think Garrus would be a decent candidate too, if only he weren't so reckless. Garrus is too unstable. Spectres exist to stop wars from happening, not start them.

I know fiction likes to exagerrate, but IRL I'm sure you don't have to have survived a series of amazing James Bond like adventures before they'll let you be a secret agent or a Navy SEAL. Simply being a damn good soldier/spy is probably enough.

[Han Shot First]

Yes!

Garrus should absolutely be a Spectre. Out of all your squad mates he's the most qualified for the job (as of the end of ME2...that may change depending on what the VS was up to between games), and it would be nice if that conversation you had with him in ME1 actually had some impact.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:58 .

[naledgeborn]

CSunkyst wrote...

I know fiction likes to exagerrate, but IRL I'm sure you don't have to have survived a series of amazing James Bond like adventures before they'll let you be a secret agent or a Navy SEAL. Simply being a damn good soldier/spy is probably enough.

More like 3 years of tech school followed by at least 7 more of rigorous training. That's before even being considered for a field operation. But the fact is Sole Survivor wasn't luck. It was instinct. No one survives a Thresher nest. One Thresher Maw luck, 3-5 is skill.

Kaidan had a few commendations. Ash had good tech scores and ran away from 4 Geth. Before Mass Effect they were decent. After Mass Effect they were still in Shepard's shadow. Only after Shepard was KIA were they able to make an impression on the Council. Not before. For me to believe their Spectres they'd of had to pull of some remarkable sh!t between Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:01 .

[Non Oblitus]

Garrus was the most logical choice for specter status in your squad. Althought he doesnt seem to want the title anymore. He was previously singled out for turian specter training; because he didnt wish to upset his father quit and then again prior to ME2 continued Specter training only to quit a second time because he didnt like working within the system.

YES, Ashley is very capable of being a Spectre, if anything her pre-Spectre resume is MORE impressive than Shep's (Especially if in your game she led a group of Salarian spies into a warzone for a SUICIDE mission and somehow SURVIVED)  

More impressive? that is a biased statement. Ive seen how people try to advance Ashley, through the lore, solely based on her test scores during basic training. While it was impressive by recruit standards; ALL Shepards regardless of their background are N7 graduates an elite training program that no other Alliance squad member has undertaken (in fact in ME only captain Anderson is known to have undergone that training). That and their background story add to the aura that Shepard(s) have.

Garrus spent two games whining about authority, and then he got his entire team killed.  Garrus isn't a serious Spectre candidate because he isn't so likely to be a good Spectre as much as he's likely to be a ROGUE Spectre.  He's talented, but giving him that kind of authority would be a very poor choice.   

Well Ashley spent most of ME whining about Aliens and making off-hand cynical remarks, Wrex was whining about how the Krogan suck. The character was merely expressing their fustration with the system, precisely why he did not remain a specter candidate for long.

[Made Nightwing]

I noticed something interesting today when playing ME2. When Emily Wong on the Citadel is talking about the new Batarian orbital mirror system, and how the Council has dispatched a team of negotiator's to Khar'shan, she also mentions that there are rumours of a Spectre being dispatched to batarian space.

Since this news report only shows up after Horizon, it makes sense that this might have been Ashley/Kaidan's qualifying mission for the Spectres.

OP, I don't think Garrus would make a good Spectre. Why? You can't break the rules if the damn job doesn't have any.

[100k]

CSunkyst wrote...

But you have to remember, any given Shep has only ONE of those backgrounds. So he has ONE noteworthy accomplishment on his resume before being considered for the Spectres.

That IS why I listed them off...

<_<

Also, how did sole survivor Shep survive the first recoeded human encounter with a Thresher Maw? I just always had the impression that Shep was lucky more than anything else. I picture the encounter going down like this... his squad was probably wiped out in about 2 seconds, and Shep was lucky enough to have not been crushed instantly, then he was lucky enough to hightail it out of there. That's how I picture it at least, so I never thought sole survivor was all that impressive.

I highly doubt surviving a maw attack with luck and quick feet was enough. I got the impression that he/she shot them when they got close, and tried to save his/her team mates before they were slaughtered. It was likely a game of cat and mouse from then on out. But who knows? In the end, Survivor Shep's handling of the thresher maw threat was so impressive, that Shepard was considered for Spectre training. So we know something big went down (no pun intended).

So I honestly believe the VS is plenty qualified, (probably slightly more or less so depending upon what you had them do on Virmire.) I think most people against the VS as Spectre are simply people who don't like either character in the first place (so they have that going against them already) and they probably hardly ever used the VS in their party, so from their POV it's like "What the hell did they do???" Ash is my Shep's LI (I stayed "faithful" even) and she was in my party quite a bit in ME1, so her Spectre status makes perfect sense from my POV, and I'm looking forward to being partners in crime again in ME3 (now equal partners apparently, which should be interesting).

I'm not saying that Ash isn't Spectre material. I'm definitely not saying that. She's a damn fine soldier and a damn good leader. But she is also young to the universe and it's diversity.

She's the equivalent of a Marine who served 5 impressive years in the Middle East.

Garrus is the equivalent of a Marine who served his mandatory time (probably 5 years or something), then went to law enforcement in NYC, LA, or Detroit, and got fed up with how by-the-book methods often yielded more damage than results. How is this at all bad? I totally see where Garrus (and ReneShep) are coming from. Sometimes following the rules fails big time, and you just want to know that by crossing a few lines you actually saved lives. That's the whole principle behind the Special Tactics and Recon group.

I think Garrus' capabilities are being over-exaggerated due to his popularity. He's a fine character, but he's not any more or less qualified for the job than Kaidan or Ash are. It's not like he was the top Turian Spectre candidate, he was one of a THOUSAND candidates. Plus, Garrus spent most of his career as a frustrated cop, not a soldier. Nationality aside, Barney Miller isn't getting flagged by her royal majesty for double-O status anytime soon.

This is not exactly true. He spent his time in the military. Hell, he started while Ash was just beginning high school. I got the impression that he served nearly as long as Ash, then moved on to doing something with (theoretically) less orders and more impact. 

When it comes to his Spectre evaluation: there are what? 17 billion turians in the galaxy (accepting that their numbers skyrocketed once they spread to other worlds)? To be in the top 1000s should be a huge deal. Once you're in that percentage, you're probably one of the most dangerous people in the galaxy. 

If Garrus IS a Spectre in ME3, that's just too many Spectres for my tastes, and too many people Shep knows becoming Spectres. So if that's the case I may actually go back and kill Garrus off in the suicide mission. Not because I don't like Garrus (I do) but simply to preserve my willing suspension of disbelief.

Suspension of disbelief? The Reaper attack on the galaxy is basically a giant crap on all of the council races who didn't believe in Shepard from the start. The fact that he is helping unite the other races to create a front--even after being insulted by the council, should easily explain that this time around, whatever Shepard wants he should get. 

Asari councilor: Ah Shepard! Sorry about being such a jerk to you in the past. Hope you'll accept that it was all politics.

Turian councilor*uncomfortable*: Yes...it seems we were wrong. You stayed the course, even when we, your makers, abandoned you. For that, we are truly sorry, and put our faith in you. After all, you're the only person who knows what the hell is going on.

Salarian councilor: So Commander, as a show of good faith, is there anything you need for your mission? What's good for you is good for the galaxy, or so it seems.

option 1. A lot of money would help. 
option 2. Valuable intel would be great.
option 3. Spectre status for Garrus/Miranda. 
option 4. ...the Priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize.

Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.