Also, why do people keep saying Garrus is "hot headed" and "wreakless"? He got his team killed, yes. But that was because he was betrayed, not because of poor orders. Hell, Ash got her team killed, and she was actually fighting a mobilized ground force of geth. Plus she's got this weird temper that flares up when it's least appropriate. Is she hot headed? Kaiden killed a Turian biotic trainer in training camp. Is he hot headed?
In the end though, I feel that Garrus's experience is more impressive than Ash and Kaiden's.
-was in the militia.
-went into law enforcement (and did fairly well there).
-joined Shepard on a galaxy saving mission to stop Saren.
-went to Omega where he recruited his own team and performed "clean and surgical" missions against drug king pins.
-Single handedly held off an assault from several hundred mercs for days without rest.
-joined Shepard again to stop the collectors.
(-helped take down the Shadow Broker)
Ash and Kaiden are great soldiers. But up to Garrus's level of excellence?
Garrus for Spectre Status!?
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 11:30
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Garrus will make a great Spectre...In time. He need's some work on his judgement, he shows great skill that would make him a great spectre, but he doesn't make good decisions, he's pretty damn ruthless too. Garrus would sacrifice civilians to kill Dr Saleon. While his intentions were good, his morality wasn't.
He shot the guy that took Dr Michel hostage in the head, while he was holding her. This showed incredible timing and accuracy, but he risked her life to kill a petty thug.
And ofcourse the whole Sidonis thing.
Like I said, in time Garrus could become the perfect Spectre, but he just needs some work on his morality if he wants to actually save people.
Ashley's squad wasn't expecting any trouble, they were ambused. Garrus's squad were expecting trouble. And Geth are far more dangerous than Mercs, and yet Ashley survived the attack, like Garrus (barely) did.
Ashley/Kaidan have served in the military for years, and they also lead people.
Yeah Ash and Kaidan did this too, and on some games Garrus might not have joined up (you can turn him down) Virmire makes the VS stand out, both willing to give there lives for the mission.
''several hundred mercs'' exaggerating a bit there. He didn't kill several hundred mercs by himself, he killed loads of free lancer's, civilians that picked up a gun for the money. The people he swore to protect, the people of Omega. Shepard helped him with most of the mercs. Although he did great, such as taking down the chopper with one shot.
During the two years Shepard was dead, the VS took Shepards job of cleaning up the Geth, and then took on classified assignments directly from the Council. We dont know what they were doing in that time apart from Horizon. So I cant say much, expect they were doing something important.
So i think the VS are perfect as the second human Spectre, and it makes sense from a story and political view. Like I said above, Garrus will make a magnificent Spectre, he shows tremendous skill, but he needs to work on his judgment.
I would much rather a second human Spectre from a story point of view, than another Turain Spectre, but if I could have both? Hell yes!
He shot the guy that took Dr Michel hostage in the head, while he was holding her. This showed incredible timing and accuracy, but he risked her life to kill a petty thug.
And ofcourse the whole Sidonis thing.
Like I said, in time Garrus could become the perfect Spectre, but he just needs some work on his morality if he wants to actually save people.
100k wrote...
Also, why do people keep saying Garrus is "hot headed" and "wreakless"? He got his team killed, yes. But that was because he was betrayed, not because of poor orders. Hell, Ash got her team killed, and she was actually fighting a mobilized ground force of geth.
Ashley's squad wasn't expecting any trouble, they were ambused. Garrus's squad were expecting trouble. And Geth are far more dangerous than Mercs, and yet Ashley survived the attack, like Garrus (barely) did.
100k wrote...
In the end though, I feel that Garrus's experience is more impressive than Ash and Kaiden's.
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was in the militia.
Ashley/Kaidan have served in the military for years, and they also lead people.
Yes Ash/Kaidan didn't do that, but like I said ''they were in the military for years''100k wrote...
-went into law enforcement (and did fairly well there).
100k wrote...
-joined Shepard on a galaxy saving mission to stop Saren.
Yeah Ash and Kaidan did this too, and on some games Garrus might not have joined up (you can turn him down) Virmire makes the VS stand out, both willing to give there lives for the mission.
100k wrote...
-went to Omega where he recruited his own team and performed "clean and surgical" missions against drug king pins.
-Single handedly held off an assault from several hundred mercs for days without rest.
''several hundred mercs'' exaggerating a bit there. He didn't kill several hundred mercs by himself, he killed loads of free lancer's, civilians that picked up a gun for the money. The people he swore to protect, the people of Omega. Shepard helped him with most of the mercs. Although he did great, such as taking down the chopper with one shot.
100k wrote...
-joined Shepard again to stop the collectors.
(-helped take down the Shadow Broker)
During the two years Shepard was dead, the VS took Shepards job of cleaning up the Geth, and then took on classified assignments directly from the Council. We dont know what they were doing in that time apart from Horizon. So I cant say much, expect they were doing something important.
So i think the VS are perfect as the second human Spectre, and it makes sense from a story and political view. Like I said above, Garrus will make a magnificent Spectre, he shows tremendous skill, but he needs to work on his judgment.
I would much rather a second human Spectre from a story point of view, than another Turain Spectre, but if I could have both? Hell yes!
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:37
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To be fair Virmire isn't even supposed to be on Shepard's resume. That was all Kirrahe and the STG. Shepard just flew in and was a big damn hero when s/he delivered. Kirrahe was the one doing the planning and holding out against capture. Surviving Geth, Krogan, and Indoctrination for months. And Virmire is a MAJOR turning point in the Reaper War and in Krogan History.
So Ashley/Kaidan getting credit for simply getting picked by Shepard and surviving is an insult to the Salarians who died there and the Alliance soldier that was left behind.
Garrus is the best qualified other than Miranda and Mordin for Spectre status. However we don't know what Ashley/Kaidan has been up to for 2 years and what they've accomplished since the Collector attack on Horizon. So to judge them on their qualifications is kind of tough.
And Garrus fans boys shouldn't get all excited. Garrus wasn't chosen for a reason. He's impulsive. Too many lives depends on a Spectres' actions for them not to be methodical. As stupid as Shepard is portrayed s/he's often faced with brutal decisions and usually delivers on them while Garrus would storm in and kill all the bad guys consequences be damned.
So Ashley/Kaidan getting credit for simply getting picked by Shepard and surviving is an insult to the Salarians who died there and the Alliance soldier that was left behind.
Garrus is the best qualified other than Miranda and Mordin for Spectre status. However we don't know what Ashley/Kaidan has been up to for 2 years and what they've accomplished since the Collector attack on Horizon. So to judge them on their qualifications is kind of tough.
And Garrus fans boys shouldn't get all excited. Garrus wasn't chosen for a reason. He's impulsive. Too many lives depends on a Spectres' actions for them not to be methodical. As stupid as Shepard is portrayed s/he's often faced with brutal decisions and usually delivers on them while Garrus would storm in and kill all the bad guys consequences be damned.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:45
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I think if in ME1 you take the renegade path with Garrus (EG tell him time and time again that the mission must be completed whatever the cost) he reapplies for Spectre training after the normandy is destroyed. He is rejected however and didn't want to return to C-sec (because of the red tape) so he came to omega because there were no rules there.
Sure I'd consider Garrus a good spectre candidate but I don't see it happening in ME3. I'll reserve judgment about Kaidan/Ashley until I learn why they became a spectre (I'm guessing to keep an eye on Shepard but I might be wrong) and if they live up to that title, though trying to take command of the normandy away from Shepard will not be tolerated of course...
Sure I'd consider Garrus a good spectre candidate but I don't see it happening in ME3. I'll reserve judgment about Kaidan/Ashley until I learn why they became a spectre (I'm guessing to keep an eye on Shepard but I might be wrong) and if they live up to that title, though trying to take command of the normandy away from Shepard will not be tolerated of course...
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:45
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Garrus is to badass to become a spectre. Simples!
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Lazy as I am, I just quote myself from this 8 day old thread about the same subject.
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Spectres represent the best of every
species. The council says something like this and I guess they are
trying to keep some balance how many Spectres there are of each species.
The Turians have a Spectre program, preparing a lot for that role. Way I
see it, you have to stand out among your own people to be considered by
the council. This is much harder for a Turian than a Human at this
point, who only recently started to be part of the council.
Turians
value discipline and order. The way Garrus abandoned his duties at C-Sec
to run off with a human and became a vigilante afterwards, his
behaviour is probably not so popular with his own people and they
wouldn't want him to be Spectre, regardless of how capable he might be .
Ash/Kai
on the other hand are among the humans who besides working closely with
Shepard and Aliens are dedicated in their service to the Alliance. If
the council asked for a recommendation, like they did with Shepard,
Ash/Kai would be on the top of the list.
Garrus on the other hand
would have problems to make it on the Turian list, because of the
reasons I mentioned above. You can't simply judge NPCs and their role in
the Galaxy by your own experience with them in the game, there is more
to it.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 12:58
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Spectre status is useless in a galaxy at war, let alone a dying galaxy.
Like the name of Shepard now carries infinitely more weight than that little title, the name of Archangel might hold the same in the Terminus Systems.
Like the name of Shepard now carries infinitely more weight than that little title, the name of Archangel might hold the same in the Terminus Systems.
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Garrus is too much of a flake to be a spectre. Tell him to do something, or follow one rule, and he throws a tantrum like a 12 year old and he runs away from home becomes a vigilante on Omega.
And it doesn't matter anyway, Since while the Garrus is getting ground into dust, I think the least of Garrus' concerns is whether or not he can be a spectre.
And it doesn't matter anyway, Since while the Garrus is getting ground into dust, I think the least of Garrus' concerns is whether or not he can be a spectre.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 01:32
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I just don't get why people are going on about Ashley being the "sole survivor" of her squad on Eden Prime. I mean, it's true, but it's hardly an accomplishment - Shepard saved her. She was, as a previous poster said, running from her life from a pathetically small number of Geth. Shepard swooped in and saved her. Five minutes later, and there'dve been no survivors of her squad. Yeah, sure, that DEFINITELY rivals Shepard surviving an encounter with a Thresher Maw, alone, without backup. Or Shepard surviving a batarian invasion, while on vacation.
As for the events of ME1, surely they don't count? I mean, that one poster saying basically "well, I used Ashley a lot, so from my POV she helped save the galaxy, her addition as a Spectre really makes sense to me!" - Thing is, I didn't use her at all. I used the others a lot. In my game, Wrex and Tali did everything your Ashley did. Does that mean my Wrex and Tali are good Spectre candidates? No.
As for Garrus, to say he barely survived the merc siege on Omega - only because he took a direct hit from an alien attack helicopter. Before that he was uninjured, the scores of mercs/droids/random guys with guns didn't even scratch the paintwork.
As for the events of ME1, surely they don't count? I mean, that one poster saying basically "well, I used Ashley a lot, so from my POV she helped save the galaxy, her addition as a Spectre really makes sense to me!" - Thing is, I didn't use her at all. I used the others a lot. In my game, Wrex and Tali did everything your Ashley did. Does that mean my Wrex and Tali are good Spectre candidates? No.
As for Garrus, to say he barely survived the merc siege on Omega - only because he took a direct hit from an alien attack helicopter. Before that he was uninjured, the scores of mercs/droids/random guys with guns didn't even scratch the paintwork.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 01:35
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I think Garrus would make an excellent Spectre. Also, why do people keep saying he got his team killed? He was betrayed by a member of his team.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:51
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Seems a lot of us are assuming that Spectre's are all Jedi like, paragons of virtue who do no wrong, which seems to be the argument against Garrus because he's more renegade. So far our Spectre experience has been this:
Saren: Cunning renegade
Tela Vasir: Another cunning renegade
Shepard: Renegade, Paragon or Paragade
Spectre's are the best of the best and are glorified assasins/commandos, with the brains and know how to get things done. That means Garrus, VS, Thane, possibly Jacob and possibly Liara (after ME1/ME2), are all Spectre material.
Batma... *cough* Garrus is qualified since he and his team took on Omega mercs single handingly and almost destroyed them. After the betrayal and the death of his team, he held off a siege until Shepard arrived. I think that's as impressive as Shepard's War Hero background mixed in with Sole Survivor. Garrus is also a perfect Team Leader choice in the suicide mission, which proves he's a very capable leader.
The VS is also Spectre material. Like Garrus, Ashley and Kaiden are basically second to Shepard without an N7/Spectre rank. Both performed their objectives flawlessly on Virmire regardless of one of them dieing or not. After Shepard is killed in action, we have no clue which assignments they're sent on over the 2 years. The VS effectively replaced Shepard as the Alliance/Anderson's go-to person. Then there's also a one yearish gap in between ME2 and ME3.
Basically, Ashley, Kaiden and Garrus' accomplishments are much better than Shepard's initial service history before he became a Spectre. Ash and Kaiden have support from Anderson in becoming a Spectre. Garrus would have a harder time (especially if he was pushed renegade or wasn't recruited in ME1).
Saren: Cunning renegade
Tela Vasir: Another cunning renegade
Shepard: Renegade, Paragon or Paragade
Spectre's are the best of the best and are glorified assasins/commandos, with the brains and know how to get things done. That means Garrus, VS, Thane, possibly Jacob and possibly Liara (after ME1/ME2), are all Spectre material.
Batma... *cough* Garrus is qualified since he and his team took on Omega mercs single handingly and almost destroyed them. After the betrayal and the death of his team, he held off a siege until Shepard arrived. I think that's as impressive as Shepard's War Hero background mixed in with Sole Survivor. Garrus is also a perfect Team Leader choice in the suicide mission, which proves he's a very capable leader.
The VS is also Spectre material. Like Garrus, Ashley and Kaiden are basically second to Shepard without an N7/Spectre rank. Both performed their objectives flawlessly on Virmire regardless of one of them dieing or not. After Shepard is killed in action, we have no clue which assignments they're sent on over the 2 years. The VS effectively replaced Shepard as the Alliance/Anderson's go-to person. Then there's also a one yearish gap in between ME2 and ME3.
Basically, Ashley, Kaiden and Garrus' accomplishments are much better than Shepard's initial service history before he became a Spectre. Ash and Kaiden have support from Anderson in becoming a Spectre. Garrus would have a harder time (especially if he was pushed renegade or wasn't recruited in ME1).
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 03:52
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Garrus doesn't need to be a spectre to be badass and one of the best in the series.
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No garrus spectre, it would be cheese if every one shepard ran with became spectre serious cheeseballs garrus will be my sith apprentice until he mans up and fights me for the title. And he never took it to Aria so hes not ready.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 05:11
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Garrus doesn't want to be Spectre. He wants zero rules, no red tape, and nobody to answer to.
And while he intially thought Spectre's could do that, being removed from the Saren case, and being confined to the Citadel post Virmire made him realize that not even the Spectres were immune from that.
And while he intially thought Spectre's could do that, being removed from the Saren case, and being confined to the Citadel post Virmire made him realize that not even the Spectres were immune from that.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 05:12
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I'm not sure how qualified Garrus is, his awesome seems to directly correlate with is proximity to Shepard.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 05:17
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I know he was a spectre candidate, but from what I remember he respected his fathers opinion of the spectres.. so Garrus chose not to go that path. If this was already mentioned I apologize
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 05:40
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OK careers....
Ash
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. All accounts she did really well only by association was she never promoted.
Was either sent to Eden Prime or lived, trained, served there.
Didn't lead a unit she was in a unit on protection detail during Eden Prime she survived because she knew when to quit. They were also ambushed.
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If she lived and was taken to Illos she participated in the battle of the Citadel if not she was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. She gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Kaiden
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. Moved onto brain camp not long after killed his instructor and participated in a coverup by accepting the schools terms of we won't prosecute you if you go into service now.
Participated in liberating Eden Prime
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If he lived and was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel. If not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Garrus
Started training in the Turian army (I think he said they start at 13) he was selected as a possible spector then and was being watched by their scouts.
Garrus was offered spector training his father denied him.
Joined Csec did fairly well was known to be very persistent on cases he was assigned. No indication of bribes taken, unnecessarily rough interrogations, or him bringing his life issues into the work environment. Shows his distaste of lack of doing via the case of Dr. Heart.
Tracks down Dr. Heart you can let him kill him or shep can kill him instead.
Went for spector training but decided due to long process to quit. From here left for Omega.
He was a one man operation on Omega for several months then as they joined up he lead a strike team that favored gorilla warfare. Was quit successful got every major merc group in Omega to do more then sit up and take notice these guys and their men were on constant edge.
Only Garrus was expecting trouble Sidonis only told him of the issue there is no evidence the rest of the group wasn't just hanging around their hide out waiting for the next thing to do. Garrus was the only one made aware of an issue and left to investigate with Sidonis all other members were killed.
Garrus single handedly held off enemy forces until backup could arrive.
Participated in Virmire in a soldier capacity.
If hr was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel if not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
Ash
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. All accounts she did really well only by association was she never promoted.
Was either sent to Eden Prime or lived, trained, served there.
Didn't lead a unit she was in a unit on protection detail during Eden Prime she survived because she knew when to quit. They were also ambushed.
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If she lived and was taken to Illos she participated in the battle of the Citadel if not she was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. She gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Kaiden
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. Moved onto brain camp not long after killed his instructor and participated in a coverup by accepting the schools terms of we won't prosecute you if you go into service now.
Participated in liberating Eden Prime
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If he lived and was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel. If not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Garrus
Started training in the Turian army (I think he said they start at 13) he was selected as a possible spector then and was being watched by their scouts.
Garrus was offered spector training his father denied him.
Joined Csec did fairly well was known to be very persistent on cases he was assigned. No indication of bribes taken, unnecessarily rough interrogations, or him bringing his life issues into the work environment. Shows his distaste of lack of doing via the case of Dr. Heart.
Tracks down Dr. Heart you can let him kill him or shep can kill him instead.
Went for spector training but decided due to long process to quit. From here left for Omega.
He was a one man operation on Omega for several months then as they joined up he lead a strike team that favored gorilla warfare. Was quit successful got every major merc group in Omega to do more then sit up and take notice these guys and their men were on constant edge.
Only Garrus was expecting trouble Sidonis only told him of the issue there is no evidence the rest of the group wasn't just hanging around their hide out waiting for the next thing to do. Garrus was the only one made aware of an issue and left to investigate with Sidonis all other members were killed.
Garrus single handedly held off enemy forces until backup could arrive.
Participated in Virmire in a soldier capacity.
If hr was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel if not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 06:02
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no garrus is too cool for the spectres
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I would like to see Garrus as a spectre, but I don't think it'd make much sense.
There's a short time between ME2 and ME3 and he's just come from working with a terrorist organization, and before that being a Vigilante.
With everything he's done the past two years it makes sense practicly because he could likely do well in the role, but the politicly, it makes no sense.
Ash/Kaidan on the other hand could have been doing anything in that two year gap. Even something a badass as the things Garrus got up to. How do we know they wern't already a Spectre on Horizon?
There's a short time between ME2 and ME3 and he's just come from working with a terrorist organization, and before that being a Vigilante.
With everything he's done the past two years it makes sense practicly because he could likely do well in the role, but the politicly, it makes no sense.
Ash/Kaidan on the other hand could have been doing anything in that two year gap. Even something a badass as the things Garrus got up to. How do we know they wern't already a Spectre on Horizon?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:34
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Destroy Raiden wrote...
OK careers....
Ash
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. All accounts she did really well only by association was she never promoted.
Was either sent to Eden Prime or lived, trained, served there.
Didn't lead a unit she was in a unit on protection detail during Eden Prime she survived because she knew when to quit. They were also ambushed.
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If she lived and was taken to Illos she participated in the battle of the Citadel if not she was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. She gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Kaiden
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. Moved onto brain camp not long after killed his instructor and participated in a coverup by accepting the schools terms of we won't prosecute you if you go into service now.
Participated in liberating Eden Prime
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If he lived and was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel. If not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Garrus
Started training in the Turian army (I think he said they start at 13) he was selected as a possible spector then and was being watched by their scouts.
Garrus was offered spector training his father denied him.
Joined Csec did fairly well was known to be very persistent on cases he was assigned. No indication of bribes taken, unnecessarily rough interrogations, or him bringing his life issues into the work environment. Shows his distaste of lack of doing via the case of Dr. Heart.
Tracks down Dr. Heart you can let him kill him or shep can kill him instead.
Went for spector training but decided due to long process to quit. From here left for Omega.
He was a one man operation on Omega for several months then as they joined up he lead a strike team that favored gorilla warfare. Was quit successful got every major merc group in Omega to do more then sit up and take notice these guys and their men were on constant edge.
Only Garrus was expecting trouble Sidonis only told him of the issue there is no evidence the rest of the group wasn't just hanging around their hide out waiting for the next thing to do. Garrus was the only one made aware of an issue and left to investigate with Sidonis all other members were killed.
Garrus single handedly held off enemy forces until backup could arrive.
Participated in Virmire in a soldier capacity.
If hr was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel if not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
Spot on. I completely respect the abilities of Alenko and Williams, but they just aren't in the same league as Garrus officially. Accepting that VS is currently doing undercover operations for the Council/Alliance is respectable, and they probably didn't get the title of Spectre lightly. But with all we currently know, there's no doubt that Garrus is superior in almost every way.
And for those of you who scoff at taking the law into your hands, and fighting criminals rather than being in military operations--Tela Vasir was made a Spectre when she killed a few hundred batarian slavers, and shut down their rings. Whatever you may think of her, she's like an extreme version of ReneGarrus.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:02
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Why do people want Garrus to be a Spectre? He tried that and hated it. He hates politics, politicians, and hates working for them even more.
Why do you guys want to stick him with a job he hates?
Why do you guys want to stick him with a job he hates?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:27
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No. The Reapers deserve a fair chance.
dayum right they do:lol:
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:33
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Ashley's definitely the better of the two, but I don't think either she or Garrus should be Spectres, that role is for Shepard. Should she one day step down as Specter and name her own replacement, then that would be a decision that would have to be made at that time, based on the total records of both (and others) at the time of the decision. For now, I say leave Shepard as the only Spectre of the group, and if you have to add a second, I'd actually say Liara or Miranda would be the best candidates of the group.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:45
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In Ashley's defense...
A lot of people are bringing up Eden Prime as an example of why she shouldn't be a Spectre, but this assumes that she was in command of that squad, platoon or whatever, and that they had a chance. We don't know either of those things.
Also, things being done for gameplay reasons shouldn't be used against characters. When Ashley is seen falling back she only has a couple Geth chasing her because this is the first combat mission in the entire series, and Bioware wouldn't want newb players with their low level characters to get overwhelmed. From a story perspective we may have only seen a couple Geth, but her unit was probably annihilated by a much larger force that she was falling back from, that we don't see. A whole company or battlation for example, isn't going to pursue a single survivor. For all we know the force that Ash was a part of was also commanded by someone else, and that person was among the dead.
I'm not saying she should be made a Spectre before Garrus, but I do think the character is being unfaily maligned for Eden Prime.
A lot of people are bringing up Eden Prime as an example of why she shouldn't be a Spectre, but this assumes that she was in command of that squad, platoon or whatever, and that they had a chance. We don't know either of those things.
Also, things being done for gameplay reasons shouldn't be used against characters. When Ashley is seen falling back she only has a couple Geth chasing her because this is the first combat mission in the entire series, and Bioware wouldn't want newb players with their low level characters to get overwhelmed. From a story perspective we may have only seen a couple Geth, but her unit was probably annihilated by a much larger force that she was falling back from, that we don't see. A whole company or battlation for example, isn't going to pursue a single survivor. For all we know the force that Ash was a part of was also commanded by someone else, and that person was among the dead.
I'm not saying she should be made a Spectre before Garrus, but I do think the character is being unfaily maligned for Eden Prime.
Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 03:21 .
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:06
Balek-Vriege
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OK careers....
Ash
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. All accounts she did really well only by association was she never promoted.
Was either sent to Eden Prime or lived, trained, served there.
Didn't lead a unit she was in a unit on protection detail during Eden Prime she survived because she knew when to quit. They were also ambushed.
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If she lived and was taken to Illos she participated in the battle of the Citadel if not she was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. She gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Kaiden
Started training in the Alliance at age 18 at least could've joined later but not likely. Moved onto brain camp not long after killed his instructor and participated in a coverup by accepting the schools terms of we won't prosecute you if you go into service now.
Participated in liberating Eden Prime
participated in Virmire either as a squadmate to the stg or nuke detonation yet has no record of demolition training this thing is more deadly then C4.
If he lived and was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel. If not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
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Garrus
Started training in the Turian army (I think he said they start at 13) he was selected as a possible spector then and was being watched by their scouts.
Garrus was offered spector training his father denied him.
Joined Csec did fairly well was known to be very persistent on cases he was assigned. No indication of bribes taken, unnecessarily rough interrogations, or him bringing his life issues into the work environment. Shows his distaste of lack of doing via the case of Dr. Heart.
Tracks down Dr. Heart you can let him kill him or shep can kill him instead.
Went for spector training but decided due to long process to quit. From here left for Omega.
He was a one man operation on Omega for several months then as they joined up he lead a strike team that favored gorilla warfare. Was quit successful got every major merc group in Omega to do more then sit up and take notice these guys and their men were on constant edge.
Only Garrus was expecting trouble Sidonis only told him of the issue there is no evidence the rest of the group wasn't just hanging around their hide out waiting for the next thing to do. Garrus was the only one made aware of an issue and left to investigate with Sidonis all other members were killed.
Garrus single handedly held off enemy forces until backup could arrive.
Participated in Virmire in a soldier capacity.
If hr was taken to Illos he participated in the battle of the Citadel if not he was on the ship while Joker was doing all the work. He gets participation by proxy in this case.
Save for Garrus (a perfect resume), you're playing down VS's records (remember, you can choose NOT to recruit Garrus in ME1 like Wrex) and ignoring any possible developments and assignments the VS had during the two years Shepard was dead. Then there's another 6 months to a year in between ME2 and ME3. We know by Horizon that Kaiden or Ashley are no longer "normal Alliance military and are taking on N7-like assignments.
On a side note ( not sure I have read it right in your post, but to clarify), Ashley was prime leadership and soldier material. The reason she was never promoted was strictly political. Her father was the commander at Shanxi who surrendered to the Turians.
All Squad members that look like they can do Shepard's jobs in ME1 and ME2 had drawbacks based on their history. I think it's on purpose so no one out performs Shep and we begin thinking "why isn't he/she leading?"
Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 03 juillet 2011 - 03:07 .
