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[Destroy Raiden_]

Yeah I was up pretty late typing that but anyhow. Including the Horizon mission to " supervise the guns" mission that if they lived both have still is less of a mission then Garrus's missions on Omega like the confirmed raid on a merc compound shown in SB vids and all the countless missions he did solo then later with his men and we don't know the extent of how many missions they did on a weekly or monthly biases to Ash/Kaidens official Alliance endeavours. It also takes months if not at least a year worth of construction and digging to get those guns in that one spot done if they were going to place these guns throughout the colony VS was going to be on that colony for a long time.

And for your clarification that's correct that's what I was saying in regards to her family she is by association with her relative not getting promoted I just didn't want to take up space with that background sense everyone already knows that part of her family history.

Of course everyone having a glaring flaw on their resume is deliberate but now BW might be shooting themselves in the foot by giving some on shep's team spector status. I mean how is anyone from his team going to be more believable for the reapers are coming then shep already is? The council won't believe them and say shep's nuts would they?

[Asari_Party]

I think people who can get things done without Shep holding their hand are far more qualified for that title.

[Lumikki]

Roxy12 wrote...

I think people who can get things done without Shep holding their hand are far more qualified for that title.

I agree. Has Garrus actually done anything worth while without Shepards?

[turian councilor Knockout]

Lumikki wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...

I think people who can get things done without Shep holding their hand are far more qualified for that title.

I agree. Has Garrus actually done anything worth while without Shepards?

Not of worth, but he did get his team killed on Omega, that's the talent the council is looking for considering how stupid they are.

[Medhia Nox]

I don't think any of Shepard's crew would make a good Specter - except for Samara, and she's already got a gig.

They're all "henchmen" - they were designed that way.

LotSB even says that Garrus "might" be capable if he stopped living in Shepard's shadow for five minutes.

[Barquiel]

I think Jacob would make a better spectre than Garrus or the VS.

- he was a Corsair (= he has the necessary experience)
- he saved the citadel WITHOUT Shepards help

[turian councilor Knockout]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I don't think any of Shepard's crew would make a good Specter - except for Samara, and she's already got a gig.

They're all "henchmen" - they were designed that way.

LotSB even says that Garrus "might" be capable if he stopped living in Shepard's shadow for five minutes.

Samara is code handicapped so no, Thane would be better if he not were dying, ruthless and effecient and spectres don't need to be leaders.

[Han Shot First]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...

I think people who can get things done without Shep holding their hand are far more qualified for that title.

I agree. Has Garrus actually done anything worth while without Shepards?

Not of worth, but he did get his team killed on Omega, that's the talent the council is looking for considering how stupid they are.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Garrus didn't get his squad killed. His team was betrayed and setup by a traitor, and Garrus wasn't even present when it happened.

Garrus is a good small unit leader. Prior to that betrayal his squad was running rampant on Omega, running circles around annihilating merc gangs that had his group massively outnumbered.

But really his being a good leader isn't even up for debate, as it is confirmed as canon during the suicide mission.

[Medhia Nox]

@Barquiel - while I don't find Jacob at all interesting, what you're saying does make sense.

[Saberchic]

What's with the "Garrus got his team killed" talk going in? It was Sidonis that betrayed him. He was protecting people by taking on dangerous gangs. He got screwed over by someone he thought he could trust. That doesn't make it his fault.

As for being a Spectre, while I thought he would make a better one than the VS, he did quit the training the second time. Now, I think he just works best on his own. He seems to chafe under any kind of authoritative restraint and was probably bored with the training.

If he survives ME3, I wouldn't mind the council offering him Spectre status. I think he has the heart for it and by the end of the trilogy, definitely the experience.

[Han Shot First]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Barquiel - while I don't find Jacob at all interesting, what you're saying does make sense.

*Maybe* with an all human council.

He's a poor candidate though with a Council that is either entirely and mostly alien, since he's a member of Cerberus, an outlawed terrorist organization that wants human supremacy. As such Jacob is also technically a criminal. With the Spectres being the long arm of the Council, Jacob wouldn't even be considered for the job with anything less than an all human Council.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Maybe not, but he did fail to see the betrayal and failed to protect his team ( the leader always have responsibilty for his team)

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:49 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

He couldn't unless he is super in some kind of way but he was still the leader and when team fails the leader also fails his job.

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:52 .

[Han Shot First]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Maybe not, but he did fail to see the betrayal and failed to protect his team.

How was he supposed to know that he was going to be betrayed?

This.

Unless the Turians have clairvoyant powers that we aren't aware of.

[turian councilor Knockout]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

He couldn't unless he is super in some kind of way but he was still the leader and when team fails the leader also fails his job.

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

Okay, you win, Garrus gets on my nerves sometimes.

[CroGamer002]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

You don't get a spectre status for killing random people in Terminus Systems, blasting citizens of the Citadel and rolling with a terrorist organisation... it would make sense post ME3 tho.

Even before that he could have become Spectre, twice.

[Saberchic]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Maybe not, but he did fail to see the betrayal and failed to protect his team ( the leader always have responsibilty for his team)

As soon as Garrus knew he'd been set up, he raced back to the compund where only a couple of his squad were left.

He would be a bad leader if he just went, "Oh well, I'll just get a new team," and left them for dead.

Instead, he raced straight into danger and the unknown. That's someone I would want as a leader.

[IndomitusRex]

I could believe Kaidan as a Spectre, as he was a ranking officer and very powerful human biotic. Ashley, however, was a knuckle-dragging grunt assigned perimeter guard duty on some bumscrew human colony, who managed to get her whole squad killed. That, combined with her checkered family history and undisguised mistrust / contempt for non-humans makes her a pretty poor candidate for a high-profile position like being a Spectre..

Garrus would've made a good Spectre, but that ship has sailed. He'll get more accomplished working with Shepard than being a Spectre.

[Lumikki]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

He couldn't unless he is super in some kind of way but he was still the leader and when team fails the leader also fails his job.

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

Actually It's not about what's fair. It's about result. Good try doesn't give the job, you have to get it done no matter what. Remember that what Spectres are, get the job done no matter what.

Modifié par Lumikki, 03 juillet 2011 - 05:00 .

[Saberchic]

Lumikki wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

He couldn't unless he is super in some kind of way but he was still the leader and when team fails the leader also fails his job.

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

Actually It's not about what's fair. It's about result. Good try doesn't give the job, you have to get it done no matter what. Remembers that what Spectres are, get the job done no matter what.

Garrus was getting the job done. He pissed off 3 of the big movers on Omega. He was getting results; he was just betrayed.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Saberchic wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Maybe not, but he did fail to see the betrayal and failed to protect his team ( the leader always have responsibilty for his team)

As soon as Garrus knew he'd been set up, he raced back to the compund where only a couple of his squad were left.

He would be a bad leader if he just went, "Oh well, I'll just get a new team," and left them for dead.

Instead, he raced straight into danger and the unknown. That's someone I would want as a leader.

Yeah, i agree that he have already shown that he is a good leader, hell even shadow broker stated that only Shep is better and yes he does care for his team.