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[Raxxman]

Garus has proven investigative skills, he was able to track down Sarens foul play. He just couldn't do anything about due to C-sec regulations.

Spectres aren't just soldiers, they're agents, shooting a gun is only part of their requirements.

[Someone With Mass]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...
Not of worth, but he did get his team killed on Omega, that's the talent the council is looking for considering how stupid they are.

Eh, Sidonis got the team killed because he gave up information about them. Garrus only walked into the trap.

And for being one that's apparently so dependent on Shepard, Garrus managed to track down not only Saren, but contacts that lead them to Sidonis too. All by himself.

I would really like to see what makes the VS so special to become a Spectre beyond the capability to fire a gun.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 juillet 2011 - 05:16 .

[MasterofMunchaster]

Seriously why is this even up for debate. I get so sick of people wanting to be willingly raped by the VS. Garrus would bash up either one of them. He's a ****ing badass. Getting his crew killed was hardly his fault.

[Han Shot First]

Ashley, however, was a knuckle-dragging grunt assigned perimeter guard duty on some bumscrew human colony, who managed to get her whole squad killed.

While so far at least I think that Garrus makes a better Spectre candidate than Ashley (who knows what she was up to between ME2 and ME3), she was hardly some  private fresh from boot camp that was assigned to guard duty. She was a Staff NCO in ME1.

The non-commissioned officer corps is often referred to as "the backbone" of the armed services, as they are the primary and most visible leaders for most military personnel. Additionally, they are the leaders primarily responsible for executing a military organization's mission and for training military personnel so they are prepared to execute their missions. NCO training and education typically includes leadership and management as well as service-specific and combat training.

Senior NCOs are considered the primary link between enlisted personnel and the commisioned officers a military organization. Their advice and guidance is particularly important for junior officers, who begin their careers in a position of authority but generally lack practical experience.

http://en.wikipedia....ssioned_officer

Second, you are assuming that she was in command of the unit that was destroyed on Eden Prime. This is a false assumption as her entire regiment was wiped out, and she certainly wasn't the regimental commander. Regiments are commanded by Colonels. Although it is likely the regiment was spread out over a large area and destroyed piecemeal (Ashley's transmission made it seem more as if she was part of a small unit action), we also don't know that she was in command of that small unit. For all we know that unit was platoon or company sized and commanded by 1st Lt or Captain. It also assumes that the unit was in a position to save itself when it was attacked, and for all we know, perhaps it wasn't.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 05:23 .

[lovgreno]

Garrus was considered spectre material when he was about twenty (if I got it right). That's right, he was considered to be among the top badasses in the whole galaxy when he was almost a kid. Since then he has amassed a huge amount of even more badassness. So yeah, he is the turian for the job. He have the skills, dedication and attitude to be a protector of the Council space.

[Barquiel]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

I disagree. His crusade on Omega was a pointless operation from the start. He wanted to take out the three most powerful merc groups in the galaxy...without backup! Something had to go wrong.

[Someone With Mass]

Barquiel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

I disagree. His crusade on Omega was a pointless operation from the start. He wanted to take out the three most powerful merc groups in the galaxy...without backup! Something had to go wrong.

That's pretty much the point in being vigilante. You take the law in your own hands. Which Garrus and his team did. 

[Barquiel]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

I disagree. His crusade on Omega was a pointless operation from the start. He wanted to take out the three most powerful merc groups in the galaxy...without backup! Something had to go wrong.

How is it pointless? Severely damaging the most powerful mercs in the galaxy, all of which who engage in illegal activities, is pointless? He almost took out their Omega branch leaders.

The only thing that went wrong was Sidonis betraying Garrus. That was it.

It was pointless because it had no chance of success. What was his plan? Killing every merc in the galaxy?

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ No just drive out the mercs in Omega.

[farhansdisplayname]

madox_ii wrote...

 He would be a good candidate for Spectre in my opinion. Independently he was alredy for the investigating Saren before Sheperd showed up and during the 2 year break he was fighting crime to help ensure galactic security, plus all the stuff he has done with Shepard. Aside from getting his whole team wiped out he seems like an ideal candidate. 

I know it's a bit late but it would be nice to see in ME3.

***SPOILERS FROM ME2***

Ya, Garrus' whole team was killed because he was misled by someone. But the thing is, Shepard got played by TIM more than once (Horizon and when they go on that collector ship).

Modifié par farhansdisplayname, 03 juillet 2011 - 05:52 .

[darknoon5]

Barquiel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

The team failed because Sidonis betrayed them to the mercs. That has nothing to do with the leader.

I disagree. His crusade on Omega was a pointless operation from the start. He wanted to take out the three most powerful merc groups in the galaxy...without backup! Something had to go wrong.

How is it pointless? Severely damaging the most powerful mercs in the galaxy, all of which who engage in illegal activities, is pointless? He almost took out their Omega branch leaders.

The only thing that went wrong was Sidonis betraying Garrus. That was it.

It was pointless because it had no chance of success. What was his plan? Killing every merc in the galaxy?

That's like saying Shepard's suicide mission was pointless because it had a low chance of success.

Plus, the squad fell apart from the inside, not due to the Mercs (unless you count them interrogating Sidonis). Plus, the mercenaries are shown throughout the game to be completely ruthless and beyond morally grey, so Garrus did good.

[cachx]

Someone With Mass wrote...
I would really like to see what makes the VS so special to become a Spectre beyond the capability to fire a gun.

Funny thing is, is that whoever died on virmire deserves more than the one that survived.

As far as Garrus goes, the Turians would never put forward a "no rules" person up for Spectre. Skills are only half the story, it's mostly a political move, methinks.

[Saberchic]

I think his plan was to systematically take them down. It was a good plan. Start hitting the gangs where it counts (their money) and whittle them down.

I don't think it was pointless.

[Someone With Mass]

Barquiel wrote...
It was pointless because it had no chance of success. What was his plan? Killing every merc in the galaxy?

No, it was to clean up Omega and try to make it a better place.

Seriously, how ****ing hard is it to pay attention to obvious details? 

[Barquiel]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ No just drive out the mercs in Omega.

Omega is a sort of de facto capital of the Terminus Systems. It's probably very imortant for the merc groups.

But even if he somehow manages to succeed (=killing every Blue Sun/Eclipse/Bloodpack on Omega), it's save to assume the gangs will return. They employ thousands of mercs...kill them all?

[Han Shot First]

Nor was Garrus doomed from the start.

Aria could be considered an ally of sorts. Not in the sense that she sympathized with Garrus in the slightest, but it was in her interest to have the merc gangs eliminated. They were rivals and as such she was content to see them go. I wouldn't be suprised if Archangel was getting some of his intel on the other gangs shipments from Aria's people.

So it isn't really true that Garrus was taking on all of Omega. He never attacked Aria's people or hit her shipments for example. He was just taking on the more ruthless groups, with Aria sort of being the lesser of several evils.

[Saberchic]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ No just drive out the mercs in Omega.

Omega is a sort of de facto capital of the Terminus Systems. It's probably very imortant for the merc groups.

But even if he somehow manages to succeed (=killing every Blue Sun/Eclipse/Bloodpack on Omega), it's save to assume the gangs will return. They employ thousands of mercs...kill them all?

Hitting their pockets forces the mercs to downsize, effectively reducing their numbers not only through killing them.

Also, if Garrus could get a foothold, he could have established control in the area, giving him the upper hand for other mercs who try to muscle in.

[darknoon5]

Barquiel wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ No just drive out the mercs in Omega.

Omega is a sort of de facto capital of the Terminus Systems. It's probably very imortant for the merc groups.

But even if he somehow manages to succeed (=killing every Blue Sun/Eclipse/Bloodpack on Omega), it's save to assume the gangs will return. They employ thousands of mercs...kill them all?

Well, I'm guessing they would be a lot more selective about their activities if they had to worry about being shut down by Garrus' team if they went too far.

[Blastback]

I'd give him the recomendation in a heart beat.

[Had-to-say]

I like Garrus as an independent badass. I don't want him tied to the council. Garrus needs to start his own exclusive badass organization in his honor.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:08 .

[eternalnightmare13]

madox_ii wrote...

 He would be a good candidate for Spectre in my opinion. Independently he was alredy for the investigating Saren before Sheperd showed up and during the 2 year break he was fighting crime to help ensure galactic security, plus all the stuff he has done with Shepard. Aside from getting his whole team wiped out he seems like an ideal candidate. 

I know it's a bit late but it would be nice to see in ME3.

This may have made sense in ME2 had it been written differently, but it makes zero sense to me why they'd make Garrus a Specter in ME3.  Garrus has been working along side Shepard and with Cerebus the entire time.  The Council in part wants nothing to do with Shepard because he's apparently working with Cerebus.  Why would they want a potential Cerebus lackey as a Specter?  And before you whip out the 'well they gave Shep his Specter status back...'' let me remind you that they *only* did that as a political ploy and he was a Specter in name only he didn't work for the Council at all in ME2.