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[Han Shot First]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

madox_ii wrote...

 He would be a good candidate for Spectre in my opinion. Independently he was alredy for the investigating Saren before Sheperd showed up and during the 2 year break he was fighting crime to help ensure galactic security, plus all the stuff he has done with Shepard. Aside from getting his whole team wiped out he seems like an ideal candidate. 

I know it's a bit late but it would be nice to see in ME3.

This may have made sense in ME2 had it been written differently, but it makes zero sense to me why they'd make Garrus a Specter in ME3.  Garrus has been working along side Shepard and with Cerebus the entire time.  The Council in part wants nothing to do with Shepard because he's apparently working with Cerebus.  Why would they want a potential Cerebus lackey as a Specter?  And before you whip out the 'well they gave Shep his Specter status back...'' let me remind you that they *only* did that as a political ploy and he was a Specter in name only he didn't work for the Council at all in ME2.

Everything changes in ME3 with the Reapers attacking. The whole reason Shep (and Garrus) was working with Cerberus to begin with, is that they were the only ones who were taking the Reapers seriously at the time. Everyone else thought Shepard was tilting at windmills.

Garrus' ties to Cerberus shouldn't matter because Shep gets proved right by the Reaper attack.  That, and Cerberus goes back to being cannon fodder for Shep & company in ME3.

[eternalnightmare13]

Han Shot First wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

madox_ii wrote...

 He would be a good candidate for Spectre in my opinion. Independently he was alredy for the investigating Saren before Sheperd showed up and during the 2 year break he was fighting crime to help ensure galactic security, plus all the stuff he has done with Shepard. Aside from getting his whole team wiped out he seems like an ideal candidate. 

I know it's a bit late but it would be nice to see in ME3.

This may have made sense in ME2 had it been written differently, but it makes zero sense to me why they'd make Garrus a Specter in ME3.  Garrus has been working along side Shepard and with Cerebus the entire time.  The Council in part wants nothing to do with Shepard because he's apparently working with Cerebus.  Why would they want a potential Cerebus lackey as a Specter?  And before you whip out the 'well they gave Shep his Specter status back...'' let me remind you that they *only* did that as a political ploy and he was a Specter in name only he didn't work for the Council at all in ME2.

Everything changes in ME3 with the Reapers attacking. The whole reason Shep (and Garrus) was working with Cerberus to begin with, is that they were the only ones who were taking the Reapers seriously at the time. Everyone else thought Shepard was tilting at windmills.

Garrus' ties to Cerberus shouldn't matter because Shep gets proved right by the Reaper attack.  That, and Cerberus goes back to being cannon fodder for Shep & company in ME3.

Still don't see the point of him being a Spectre in the third act.  What could he accomplish with Specter status that he couldn't do without it?  He clearly seperated himself from C-Sec and the Council and Citadel Space in ME2.  He doesn't need a carte blanche in ME3 from the Council to do whatever it takes to beat the Reapers. He doesn't like beaucratic tools like the Council.   He's already proven he can do this as a part of Shepard's team.  Making him a Specter in ME3 seems pointless to me.

[100k]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

madox_ii wrote...

 He would be a good candidate for Spectre in my opinion. Independently he was alredy for the investigating Saren before Sheperd showed up and during the 2 year break he was fighting crime to help ensure galactic security, plus all the stuff he has done with Shepard. Aside from getting his whole team wiped out he seems like an ideal candidate. 

I know it's a bit late but it would be nice to see in ME3.

This may have made sense in ME2 had it been written differently, but it makes zero sense to me why they'd make Garrus a Specter in ME3.  Garrus has been working along side Shepard and with Cerebus the entire time.  The Council in part wants nothing to do with Shepard because he's apparently working with Cerebus.  Why would they want a potential Cerebus lackey as a Specter?  And before you whip out the 'well they gave Shep his Specter status back...'' let me remind you that they *only* did that as a political ploy and he was a Specter in name only he didn't work for the Council at all in ME2.

Everything changes in ME3 with the Reapers attacking. The whole reason Shep (and Garrus) was working with Cerberus to begin with, is that they were the only ones who were taking the Reapers seriously at the time. Everyone else thought Shepard was tilting at windmills.

Garrus' ties to Cerberus shouldn't matter because Shep gets proved right by the Reaper attack.  That, and Cerberus goes back to being cannon fodder for Shep & company in ME3.

Still don't see the point of him being a Spectre in the third act.  What could he accomplish with Specter status that he couldn't do without it?  He clearly seperated himself from C-Sec and the Council and Citadel Space in ME2.  He doesn't need a carte blanche in ME3 from the Council to do whatever it takes to beat the Reapers. He doesn't like beaucratic tools like the Council.   He's already proven he can do this as a part of Shepard's team.  Making him a Specter in ME3 seems pointless to me.

If it gives him extra stats, more weapons, and balances out the probable tension between Spectre Shepard and the Spectre VS, it would be excellent. 

Plus, BW has stated that characters aren't going to be handled in the same way that they were in ME2. This makes me think that certain characters will stick to certain areas of the galaxy map. If Garrus is seperated from Shepard in order to further the war effort with his knowledge of Reapers, Collectors, Protheans, etc etc, then he might as well be a Spectre.

ANd having two Spectres under Shepard's command would be straight up baller. I'm sorry, but it would.

[outmane]

If renegade Shep can be a Spectre, i cant see how Garrus can be too rebellious, too brash or too violent to become a Spectre...

He got his squad killed? Hell my renegade Shep got the Destiny Ascension destroyed because she didnt like them (oh and a whole army sqad too because of her Torfan ruthless background)

He could go rogue? You mean like ending up with a terrorist organisation because its the only way to achieve your goal? Checked.

He failed Spectre training? My Shep didnt even receive training. Anyway the Concil tells you at the beginning of ME1 that you dont become a Spectre, youre born for it (on something similar).

So saying that Garrus cant be a Spectre is like saying most renegade Shep cant be good Spectres.

[medcsu]

Ashley being a Spectre is a mockery of the position. She is completely xenophobic (and Spectres are sent to help/provide support to aliens from time to time I imagine), has little to know people skills and is an overall horrible team member.
I guess they REALLY are scraping the bottom if she was selected.

Garrus is solid all around. Guy served in the Turian armed forces in battle, served in CSec, served under the most famous Spectre, led a counter criminal team by himself, is an expert sniper, isn't afraid to get dirty and do anything to get the job done, etc etc. If Garrus wanted Spectre status, they would be lucky to have him. He is the perfect fit for it.

[Saberchic]

Yeah, not so sure about the VS being a Spectre. I'm assuming that they did some really awesome stuff during the 2 years Shep was gone; I need to see some sort of reference to this in game or something, or I just won't believe it.

I like the VS, but I don't think they hold a candle to Shep. Garrus, on the other hand, I've seen what he's done since Shep has been gone. I can see him being awarded Spectre status after ME3 (obviously not during they'll be way too busy). However, I do wonder if he would take it or keep being the bad**** vigilante he already is.

[Made Nightwing]

Emily Wong mentions in one of her news transcripts after Horizon that a Spectre has been dispatched to batarian space in response to the new batarian orbital mirror system that migh be used as a WMD. Since the humans are the batarians biggest target, I always assumed that this was Ashley/Kaidan's qualifying mission for the Spectres.

[Made Nightwing]

medcsu wrote...

Ashley being a Spectre is a mockery of the position. She is completely xenophobic (and Spectres are sent to help/provide support to aliens from time to time I imagine), has little to know people skills and is an overall horrible team member.
I guess they REALLY are scraping the bottom if she was selected.

Garrus is solid all around. Guy served in the Turian armed forces in battle, served in CSec, served under the most famous Spectre, led a counter criminal team by himself, is an expert sniper, isn't afraid to get dirty and do anything to get the job done, etc etc. If Garrus wanted Spectre status, they would be lucky to have him. He is the perfect fit for it.

Xenophobic? Nationalistic, she gets over it.

People skills? Her squad logged unanimous positive feedback on leadership style. Her Drill Instructors and Commanding Officers were impressed by her skills and toughness.

Horrible team member? She VOLUNTEERS to help Captain Kirrahe's team in place of Kaidan, fights her way through heavy Geth opposition, and even leads the Salarian team to their target if Kirrahe gets killed. Or, if she guards the bomb, manages to protect it against waves of geth reinforcements until she either dies in the blast, or is rescued by Shepard.

Please get your facts straight before ****ing about a character you haven't even bothered to get to know. Have a nice day.

[medcsu]

Made Nightwing wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Ashley being a Spectre is a mockery of the position. She is completely xenophobic (and Spectres are sent to help/provide support to aliens from time to time I imagine), has little to know people skills and is an overall horrible team member.
I guess they REALLY are scraping the bottom if she was selected.

Garrus is solid all around. Guy served in the Turian armed forces in battle, served in CSec, served under the most famous Spectre, led a counter criminal team by himself, is an expert sniper, isn't afraid to get dirty and do anything to get the job done, etc etc. If Garrus wanted Spectre status, they would be lucky to have him. He is the perfect fit for it.

Xenophobic? Nationalistic, she gets over it.

People skills? Her squad logged unanimous positive feedback on leadership style. Her Drill Instructors and Commanding Officers were impressed by her skills and toughness.

Horrible team member? She VOLUNTEERS to help Captain Kirrahe's team in place of Kaidan, fights her way through heavy Geth opposition, and even leads the Salarian team to their target if Kirrahe gets killed. Or, if she guards the bomb, manages to protect it against waves of geth reinforcements until she either dies in the blast, or is rescued by Shepard.

Please get your facts straight before ****ing about a character you haven't even bothered to get to know. Have a nice day.

Oh please.

1) She never got over anything. Even in ME2 (if she survives) she makes a comment about aliens to Shepard. How do you figure she got over it? There is no evidence to counter this.

2) What squad are you talking about gave her positive feedback? I have played both games inside and out and there has never been any "positive feedback". If anything she was disgraced due to a relative. While this isnt her fault at all, it certainly threw her into a category of mistrust among the brass at the Alliance.

3) She fought her way through the Geth (depends who you had do this actually). So what? The entire squad is fighting the Geth during this battle. She didnt do anything special or above and beyond the call of duty in comparison to say, Wrex/Kaiden. I wont discount what she did but I certainly wont put her on top of the mountain because of it.

This isn't an Ashley topic. The topic is Garrus for Spectre status and I was making a comparison. You REALLY think Williams is a better Spectre candidate then Garrus? Hell I dont even use Garrus much but I sure as hell know he is a prime candidate in comparison. The determining factor in Williams is the past two years, which none of us know. If she did a lot during that time, then great, however, if we consider he by the end of ME1, she isnt even close to the elite of the elite that a Spectre would be.

[Made Nightwing]

@medscu.

1) She did. As I said, she volunteered to fight alongside the STG, an ALIEN group. Regardless of whether or not you choose her to go with them, it shows that she trusts non-humans enough to fight alongside them.

2) In her dossier, her squad from the 212 praised her tough, but fair leadership. Her CO made her the platoon guide (military speak for someone who trains and tests the new guys in the unit in the various skills they'll need to survive.) Only VERY good NCO'S ever get selected for this job, as training is what makes a soldier. I personally believe she would have eventually gotten a commission regardless of her name. She's been in for eight years and is a Gunnery Chief. In a modern day military, making it to the Senior NCO ranks in only eight years would be an impressive achievement any way you looked at it.

3) Yeah, but she did it with a team she was unfamiliar with, who were probably using tactics that she had about five minutes to get to know. She succeeded with all primary objectives, and then, when her life was in danger, refused, or tried to refuse, a chance to be rescued.

A soldier with the qualities listed above (initiative, leadership, skill in battle and determination to complete the tasks assigned to them) would be a shoe in for any Special Forces group in the world. This, plus the political attention she would be receiving from Anderson, would put her at the top of the list when it came time for a second human Spectre to be chosen.

You were the one that made it about Ashley, not me. I personally think that Garrus DOES have all the skills and know how to be a Spectre, I just don't think he wants to deal with the red tape. Yes the determining factor is Ash's experience in the last two years, but we've already heard about what Garrus did in the last two years, and at the forefront of that is that he willingly left Spectre selection to be a badass vigilante. Whether he changes his attitude in ME3 is something I want to see.

[HTTP 404]

Garrus already had the opportunity to be a Spectre before Me1 and depending on your playthrough in Me1, he had another opportunity before Me2. Garrus is more than qualified but he has been there, done that.

with that said, it would be nice if Garrus was a Spectre as an ending for him in me3

[Iconic_N7]

Garrus knows he can be a spectre if he wants but aiding Shepard seems more important than serving the council in their present time. Well at least in my playthrough, he and shepard are like brothers. Maybe after the Reaper problem he'll settle down and become a specter. After all he's been through with Shepard it might be a little boring to him though, remember how he felt about C-Sec.

[Bugsie]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Garrus already had the opportunity to be a Spectre before Me1 and depending on your playthrough in Me1, he had another opportunity before Me2. Garrus is more than qualified but he has been there, done that.

Yes, pretty much this.

Garrus is my favourite character, but I truly believe the opportunity for him to be a Spectre has passed.

[shumworld]

A friend and I talked about this. It would be a perfect end to his tale if he were to become a Spectre.

[medcsu]

Garrus is also Shepards friend and he looks up to him big time. Of course he would follow him.

[darthnick427]

GARRUS 4 SPECTRES!!!

[TridentWhisper]

Garrus would still make a better Spectre then VS will ever be.

[darthnick427]

TridentWhisper wrote...

Garrus would still make a better Spectre then VS will ever be.

Agreed x 1000