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[Gunderic]

MajorStranger wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

ME2 is way better than bioshock. And everytime I talked to someone in fallout 3 I almost fell asleep.

fallout 3 was boring? that is unfortunate for you but that game was far more enjoyable and  challenging then me2. it was a real rpg. me2 is more of a shooter then an rpg.

What is a "real rpg"?

For me it's all about the story and how YOU!, the character, is able to change it. As far as I remember, In Fallout 3 you only had 3 choice that really changed the story, the last one ending the story so you couldn't see the outcome.

By that line of thought, visual novels/adventure games  ( or any game ) with branching plots should also be considered RPG's.

[TexasToast712]

Portal 1 & 2 sucks and Bioshock (any) is just absolute trash.

[Cainne Chapel]

Likes and dislikes on youtube is utterly ridiculous... I find myself wondering why people would even WATCH a video to even dislike it.
For instance... I hate justin bieber with a passion. So I dont follow or read any news on the little sob.... yet I dont feel the need to dislike all his video and leave comments because...well... I have better things to do with my time.
But that doesnt stop the army of poor depressed lonely teens and young adults from doing the same with their own myriad of dislikes.

I just find it...not worth my time. Just like I dont follow video game forums for games I dont care for.

[Eduadinho]

AlanC9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

half of ME2 fans like ME1 better.

Where is this non-existent half you speak of?

Him, Gatt9, and Terror_K. That's half, right?

Don't forget Polka and Marshelleck

Modifié par Eduadinho, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:04 .

[Gunderic]

InvaderErl wrote...

How does that prove or disprove this half of ME2 fans like ME1 better notion when its far likelier that dislikes come down to people getting fussy over their game of choice not being #1.

I'm not saying "half of the fanbase liked Mass Effect 1 better" because I don't know. I'm saying that a good part of the general reaction toward Mass Effect 2 being on IGN's top #1 seems to be an unfavourable one. Obviously people would have to compare the list to their individiual preferences when forming their own judgement, but a lot of the reaction seems not-so-favourable.

Modifié par Gunderic, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:05 .

[Eduadinho]

To be fair any game that takes number one would have been met with hostile reaction

[InvaderErl]

Gunderic wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

How
does that prove or disprove this half of ME2 fans like ME1 better notion
when its far likelier that dislikes come down to people getting fussy
over their game of choice not being #1.

I'm not
saying "half of the fanbase liked Mass Effect 1 better" because I don't
know. I'm saying that a good part of the general reaction toward Mass
Effect 2 being on IGN's top #1 seems to be an unfavourable one.
Obviously people would have to compare the list to their individiual
preferences when forming their own judgement, but a lot of the reaction
seems not-so-favourable.

I think you're making some real leaps there. Whichever game came in at #1 was going to cause a bit of a stir, and considering they came in at higher than half I'd say they did well regardless.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:09 .

[mauro2222]

Eduadinho wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

half of ME2 fans like ME1 better.

Where is this non-existent half you speak of?

Him, Gatt9, and Terror_K. That's half, right?

Don't forget Polka 

I prefer ME1 too xD After I end a playthrough of ME1 and imported it to ME2 I always try to crouch and throw grenades xD

[Gunderic]

InvaderErl wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

How
does that prove or disprove this half of ME2 fans like ME1 better notion
when its far likelier that dislikes come down to people getting fussy
over their game of choice not being #1.

I'm not
saying "half of the fanbase liked Mass Effect 1 better" because I don't
know. I'm saying that a good part of the general reaction toward Mass
Effect 2 being on IGN's top #1 seems to be an unfavourable one.
Obviously people would have to compare the list to their individiual
preferences when forming their own judgement, but a lot of the reaction
seems not-so-favourable.

I think you're making some real leaps there. Whichever game came in at #1 was going to cause a bit of a stir, and considering they came in at higher than half I'd say they did well regardless.

To an extent, I agree. Most people would disapprove of these types of lists.

The whole list seems to be causing a bit of a stir though. I don't think everyone would react the same way if other games would have made the top  #1 category.

Modifié par Gunderic, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:19 .

[InvaderErl]

I agree, if Black Ops or MGS4 had won we'd be seeing a real cluster**** going by the comments.

ME2 did pretty well for itself considering it beat out some games that sell to much larger market and has no multiplayer function to speak of. 

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:22 .

[Gunderic]

InvaderErl wrote...

I agree, if Black Ops or MGS4 had won we'd be seeing a real cluster**** going by the comments.

ME2 did pretty well for itself considering it beat out some games that sell to much larger market and has no multiplayer function to speak of. 

We would've. But Mass Effect 2 won, and we're still seeing a bit of that. I'm certainly not saying anyone would've been more lenient on Call of Duty.

[SNascimento]

Well deserved. ME2 is a masterpiece.

[AlanC9]

Gunderic wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

half of ME2 fans like ME1 better.

Where is this non-existent half you speak of?

Him, Gatt9, and Terror_K. That's half, right?

Considering the amount of dislikes for the IGN video on youtube and the general unsatisfaction toward Mass Effect 2 being awarded top #1 modern game, I'd suspect there are more than three users.

More than 3 != half.

[InvaderErl]

Gunderic wrote...


We would've. But Mass Effect 2 won,
and we're still seeing a bit of that. I'm certainly not saying anyone
would've been more lenient on Call of Duty.

Then let's contrast that to IGN's GOTY 2010 award for Mass Effect




In which over 2/3rds of the video (and with far more views I might add) like the video so how does that factor into your interpretation?

The thing is when you have a list that's assigning BEST GAME THIS GEN of course the reaction is going to be more extreme and the fact that ME2 still came out with over half of the feedback being "liked" whatever point you're trying to make here seems fundamentally flawed.

And trying to use these types of videos as some kind of measure of feedback seems faulty at best.

I mean do you actually think this means that Red Dead suffered a real backlash? :

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:46 .

[slimgrin]

ME2 - #1
TW2 - #75

[AlanC9]

I still can't imagine any game that would actually get majority support when given that award.

[Shifty Assassin]

Not surprising at all

[Gunderic]

 

InvaderErl wrote...

Gunderic wrote...


We would've. But Mass Effect 2 won, 
and we're still seeing a bit of that. I'm certainly not saying anyone 
would've been more lenient on Call of Duty.

The thing is when you have a list that's assigning BEST GAME THIS GEN of course the reaction is going to be more extreme and the fact that ME2 still came out with over half of the feedback being "liked" whatever point you're trying to make here seems fundamentally flawed. 

Would it have been equally extreme for, say, games like Portal 2, Starcraft 2, The Witcher 2 or Shogun II? Personally, I don't think so. It would be like getting a 60 out of 100 approval rating to me, but I suppose not everyone would agree.


And trying to use these types of videos as some kind of measure of feedback seems faulty at best.

It is, though not wholly unreliable: it's just another channel for people to express their feedback through.


I mean do you actually think this means that Red Dead suffered a real backlash? :

That video has barely a fraction of the votes the Mass Effect 2 one has.

No, I think Mass Effect 2 suffered from some amount of 'real backlash'. I wasn't implying that youtube video ratings are the most accurate method of measurement for general feedback but, at the very least, it shows that there are a significantly higher number of people who were displeased with the direction the game took, or considered the first entry in the franchise to be better than the sequel than you might have initially thought -- or trying to trivialize, like others have attempted to on these forums.

Rather than citing some rock-solid, matter-of-factly conducted research -- as youtube comments & ratings should hardly be taken -- I pointed out what I thought was the most relevant first-hand info on this subject and said "Well, those people might think differently."

But if you're really looking for evidence that not everyone thought Mass Effect 2 to be the end-all, be-all, prize crown of gaming -- or even people who thought Mass Effect 1 was better than the sequel -- well then, it's not really that hard to find, as even youtube shows.

Modifié par Gunderic, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:49 .

[Dangerfoot]

Gunderic wrote...

By that line of thought, visual novels/adventure games  ( or any game ) with branching plots should also be considered RPG's.

If it has an interactive narrative that shapes your character's personality and events that unfold then it is a role playing game. Mind you it has to be a game to be a role playing game.

[InvaderErl]

Gunderic wrote...

Would it have been equally extreme for, say, games like Portal 2, Starcraft 2, The Witcher 2 or Shogun II? Personally, I don't think so. It would be like getting a 60 out of 100 approval rating to me, but I suppose not everyone would agree.

I find it very odd that you completely ignored the link I provided to the point that you DELETED it from the quote.

I'll post it again:



Please explain the likes/dislikes on this video in relation to the video you're relying on as some indicator of critical backlash from Gamers, something which you have yet to explain beyond as anything other than: Because you think so.

Gunderic wrote...
And trying to use these types of videos as some kind of measure of feedback seems faulty at best.

It is, though not wholly unreliable: it's just another channel for people to express their feedback.

And again this link conflicts with your supposition and supports mine that the question of BEST MODERN GAME is naturally a more divisive question.

Gunderic wrote...
That video has barely a fraction of the votes the Mass Effect 2 one has.

This one has over TWICE the number of votes and you ignored it for some reason.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:55 .

[Gunderic]

InvaderErl wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Would it have been equally extreme for, say, games like Portal 2, Starcraft 2, The Witcher 2 or Shogun II? Personally, I don't think so. It would be like getting a 60 out of 100 approval rating to me, but I suppose not everyone would agree.

I find it very odd that you completely ignored the link I provided to the point that you DELETED it from the quote.

I'll post it again:



Please explain the likes/dislikes on this video in relation to the video you're relying on as some indicator of critical backlash from Gamers, something which you have yet to explain beyond as anything other than: Because you think so.

Gunderic wrote...
And trying to use these types of videos as some kind of measure of feedback seems faulty at best.

It is, though not wholly unreliable: it's just another channel for people to express their feedback.

And again this link conflicts with your supposition and supports mine that the question of BEST MODERN GAME is naturally a more divisive question.

Gunderic wrote...
That video has barely a fraction of the votes the Mass Effect 2 one has.

This one has over TWICE the number of votes and you ignored it for some reason.

I took out both links when I replied.

Um, so what exactly is your point now, that you had to link me the same video thrice?You're saying there are people who like Mass Effect 2, and that's fine. You seem to be awfully fixated on something... no one has absolutely ever tried to dispute.

[InvaderErl]

Your assertion to which I began my response to you:

Gunderic wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...



half of ME2 fans like ME1 better.

Where is this non-existent half you speak of?

Him, Gatt9, and Terror_K. That's half, right?

Considering the amount of dislikes for the IGN video on youtube
and the general unsatisfaction toward Mass Effect 2 being awarded top #1
modern game, I'd suspect there are more than three users.

This was your original argument, that the dislikes on that video somehow indicated the Spamming Troll's assertion which I highlighted as well.

To which people reasonably responded that when you have a question as divisive as the one in the video you're going to have more dislikes.

To which you began to speculate that if it had been another game besides ME2 there would have been less dislikes and that this was a sign of "general unsatisfaction", even though you have no way of actually proving or even knowing this, when over 50% of the votes are in fact positive, disproving that notion.

To further the point that the question is naturally divisive I posted a link with twice the votes and over 2/3rds of its being in favor of the decision to name ME2 goty which directly contradicts the notion that the YouTube dislikes in the newer video are some sign that "Considering the amount of dislikes" - "I'd suspect there are more than three users" to supporting the notion  that "half of ME2 fans like ME1 better"

In short you made suppositions that haven't thus far backed up beyond vague and speculatory statements and when I presented you with evidence that has AT LEAST as much validity (if not more due to sheer numerical superiority) as the video you were basing your opinion on, you chose to omit that and only that information while suddenly stating that you didn't want to rely on data and that suddenly the Youtube data YOU were using was now no longer reliable and you were using "first-hand" (?) information.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:41 .

[sevach]

I like ME2 a lot, but i don't know about number one.

ME2 flaws i can't get past are:
Weak main plot.
The suicide mission wasn't close be as epic as the attack on the Citadel, or Virmire for that matter.
And, surprise, the much vaunted characters... you got to have an opinion about Grunt? Well... He likes violence, that's it.

Mordin, Legion and surprisingly Morinth, stood out in the middle of a lot of mediocrity and cliches in the character department.
TIM wasn't a party member but he was awesome, he made the game work.

If it's some kind of achievement award for the ME series i agree however. But ME1 with all it's gameplay flaws (and they exist), is the better representant of the series.

Modifié par sevach, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:26 .

[Gunderic]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

By that line of thought, visual novels/adventure games  ( or any game ) with branching plots should also be considered RPG's.

If it has an interactive narrative that shapes your character's personality and events that unfold then it is a role playing game. Mind you it has to be a game to be a role playing game.

Some RPG's focus less on character development ( story-wise ) and more on dungeon crawling, while others may have predefined characters from the start, like the Witcher ( though he's become much more malleable roleplaying-wise in the second game, I never felt he was 'my character' in the first game).

Other games, like the Elder Scrolls series, also didn't involve much PC characterization ( narratively speaking ).

I see your point though.

[Mister Mida]

Wow, what a big surprise. Another award that has absolutely no relevance at all, except for the fanboys that can't think of a valid argument why ME2 is the greatest game of all time.