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[Kronner]

That is a pretty bad list.

[Gunderic]

 

InvaderErl wrote...

Your assertion to which I began my response to you:

Gunderic wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...



half of ME2 fans like ME1 better.

Where is this non-existent half you speak of?

Him, Gatt9, and Terror_K. That's half, right?

Considering the amount of dislikes for the IGN video on youtube 
and the general unsatisfaction toward Mass Effect 2 being awarded top #1
modern game, I'd suspect there are more than three users.

To which people reasonably responded that when you have a question as divisive as the one in the video you're going to have more dislikes.

I agreed to that already.


To which you began to speculate that if it had been another game besides ME2 there would have been less dislikes and that this was a sign of "general unsatisfaction", even though you have no way of actually proving or even knowing this, when over 50% of the votes are in fact positive, disproving that notion.

General unsatisfaction in regard to IGN's award for Mass Effect 2, not the reception of Mass Effect 2 as a whole, just to clarify.

I've not the earthliest idea why, if this rating somehow barely exceeds a percentage of 50% by a margin, would 'disprove that notion'. It just reinforces the idea of how far the negative reception went.


To further the point that the question is naturally divisive I posted a link with twice the votes and over 2/3rds of its being in favor of the decision to name ME2 goty which directly contradicts the notion that the YouTube dislikes in the newer video are some sign that "Considering the amount of dislikes" - "I'd suspect there are more than three users" to supporting the notion  that "half of ME2 fans like ME1 better" 

That's a long shot from what I've said.

I've also mentioned that: 'I'm not saying "half of the fanbase liked Mass Effect 1 better" because I don't know.'

Modifié par Gunderic, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:50 .

[darknoon5]

I think generally it's quite good...I think Mass Effect 2 would definetly make my top 3 games. Personally I thought Oblivion was ranked poorly (below left 4 dead 2. Seriously?) But from what I've seen I've seen plenty worse top 100 lists.

I agree with their top 10 for the most part, but I would've included Half-life 2 and Kotor (idk if they count as modern, though).

EDIT: Actually, the lists suck because Mass Effect 1 isn't number 1 and because Mass Effect 2 is even in the top 100. Just like every other smart, real Bioware fan who isn't a console kiddie, I think it is a travesty so many people consider ME2 such a good game.

Modifié par darknoon5, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:52 .

[InvaderErl]

Gunderic wrote...

That's a long shot from what I've said.

I've also mentioned that: 'I'm not saying "half of the fanbase liked Mass Effect 1 better" because I don't know.'

Its not that far off.

Gunderic wrote...





No, I think Mass Effect 2 suffered  from some amount of 'real backlash'. I wasn't implying that youtube  video ratings are the most accurate method of measurement for general feedback but, at the very least, it shows that there are a significantly higher number of people who were displeased with the direction the gametook, or considered the first entry in the franchise to be better than the sequel than you might have initially thought -- or trying to trivialize, like others have attempted to on these forums.

Which comes back to my point that you you are using dislikes on THIS video as some kind of proof of that when the response is that the question is a divisive one.

How you are able to make a determination that a dislike on a video is somehow an indicator of dissapointment with ME2 is beyond me when there a myraid of reasons why a person is hitting that button, most probably simply out of preference for another game given the nature of the award/video.

And when you look at the video I posted which is about ME2 being GOTY from the same site the response with more votes logged and more views is over 2/3rds positive which contradicts your position and its something that you completely ignored in your response.

To be specific

IGN's GOTY 2010

3,414 to 690 dislikes

IGN Best Modern Game

1,434 - 1,029

That the latter question is quite clearly a more divisive one is clear.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:01 .

[The Elder King]

I didn't see all the games on the list, only the first 20 and the last 30. Other than the fact that I don't approve a lot of the position on the list (DAO and TW2 should be in an higher postion in my opinion), I think that this type of list (top 100 games of all time, top 100 modern games, etc) are useless. I can compare two games of the same genre and say which is better, but not two games of different genre. If I compare a great RPG with a great FPS or a great platform, I can't say which is better.

[TheOtherTheoG]

Eh, as much as I like the game, I wouldn't have put it at number 1 myself - I'd put Bioshock, Portal 2 and probably Team Fortress 2 ahead of it. Still, not a bad list, per se, although why Far Cry 2 is ahead of Crysis is beyond me.

[FuriousAngel24]

Did any notice if the first Mass Effect was on the list at all? I didn't. If so, all I will say is...wow

[goofyomnivore]

That list is very console favored. PC-exclusive games aren't going to get their due. That is the only reason I can think of TW2 being so low. Although TW2 comes to consoles this holiday season. I think.

It is a great game, not exaclty my taste, but I can still appreciate it. It would for sure be in my top 25 of the "modern era".

Mass Effect not being on there is pretty "meh" though. I like ME2 more personally, but not by much. Both are great games. I would say both are top 25 worthy on reasonable lists.

Modifié par strive, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:27 .

[Han Shot First]

Polka14 wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

ME2 is way better than bioshock. And everytime I talked to someone in fallout 3 I almost fell asleep.

fallout 3 was boring? that is unfortunate for you but that game was far more enjoyable and  challenging then me2. it was a real rpg. me2 is more of a shooter then an rpg.

Fallout 3 was a typical Bethesda RPG. Bethesda is great at creating awesome enviroments to explore, but the quests and characters leave a lot to be desired. Bethesda characters are boring. Fallout 3 paled in comparison to the first two games of the series.

I enjoyed Fallout 3 overall, but not nearly as much as I did Mass Effect 2.

[Gunderic]

  

InvaderErl wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

That's a long shot from what I've said.

I've also mentioned that: 'I'm not saying "half of the fanbase liked Mass Effect 1 better" because I don't know.'

Its not that far off.

It is. It contradicts your assumptions directly, even if that's all they ever were, because I wanted to clarify my stance. There's very little reason for arguing if you don't believe I'm being honest in the slightest.

Gunderic wrote...

No, I think Mass Effect 2 suffered  from some amount of 'real backlash'. I wasn't implying that youtube  video ratings are the most accurate method of measurement for general feedback but, at the very least, it shows that there are a significantly higher number of people who were displeased with the direction the gametook, or considered the first entry in the franchise to be better than the sequel than you might have initially thought -- or trying to trivialize, like others have attempted to on these forums.

I don't see the contradiction in that quote. It was in response to trivializing complaints from people not satisfied with the direction the sequel took. Apparently, I've heard that's still going on.


Which comes back to my point that you you are using dislikes on THIS video as some kind of proof of that when the response is that the question is a divisive one.

It doesn't matter. It gives people ample opportunity to discuss Mass Effect 2, and it wasn't all favourable. In essence, I'm regarding people's negative statements about the award winner as evidence of their own beliefs, or that not everybody was pleased with Mass Effect 2.


How you are able to make a determination that a dislike on a video is somehow an indicator of dissapointment with ME2 is beyond me when there a myraid of reasons why a person is hitting that button, most probably simply out of preference for another game given the nature of the award.

That sounds a bit disingenuous -- it may indicate disappointment or dislike from those people voting/commenting, but not necessarily the Mass Effect fanbase as a whole. 

Preference for another game does not invalidate the rating.

And when you look at the video I posted which is about ME2 being GOTY from the same site the response with more votes logged and more views is over 2/3rds positive which contradicts your position and its something that you completely ignored in your response. 

What position does it contradict? That no one likes Mass Effect 2?

I've acknowledged that some people like Mass Effect 2 ( without need for your link ). I'm already aware that there are quite a few who didn't, too. So far you've made it seem to me that you're the one wanting to dispute any semblance of polarization.

[goofyomnivore]

Han Shot First wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

ME2 is way better than bioshock. And everytime I talked to someone in fallout 3 I almost fell asleep.

fallout
3 was boring? that is unfortunate for you but that game was far more
enjoyable and  challenging then me2. it was a real rpg. me2 is more of a
shooter then an rpg. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

Fallout
3 was a typical Bethesda RPG. Bethesda is great at creating awesome
enviroments to explore, but the quests and characters leave a lot to be
desired. Bethesda characters are boring. Fallout 3 paled in comparison
to the first two games of the series.

I enjoyed Fallout 3 overall, but not nearly as much as I did Mass Effect 2.

Yeah I'm a post apocalyptic junkie. Love the movies and games with that setting, but Fallout 3 was very overrated. Fallout 2 was really good one of my favorite games. I've never played 1. I was disappointed enough to not even buy New Vegas. Still waiting on that Steam deal.

Modifié par strive, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:32 .

[KLUME777]

No way IGN, DAO is better. Plus a lot of other games, i reckon. ME2 is good, but i don't even think its on my top 10, maybe the above 7's at most.

EDIT: DRAGON AGE ORIGINS NO.89 WTF?! You fail, ign.

Modifié par KLUME777, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:51 .

[KLUME777]

strive wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

ME2 is way better than bioshock. And everytime I talked to someone in fallout 3 I almost fell asleep.

fallout
3 was boring? that is unfortunate for you but that game was far more
enjoyable and  challenging then me2. it was a real rpg. me2 is more of a
shooter then an rpg. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

Fallout
3 was a typical Bethesda RPG. Bethesda is great at creating awesome
enviroments to explore, but the quests and characters leave a lot to be
desired. Bethesda characters are boring. Fallout 3 paled in comparison
to the first two games of the series.

I enjoyed Fallout 3 overall, but not nearly as much as I did Mass Effect 2.

Yeah I'm a post apocalyptic junkie. Love the movies and games with that setting, but Fallout 3 was very overrated. Fallout 2 was really good one of my favorite games. I've never played 1. I was disappointed enough to not even buy New Vegas. Still waiting on that Steam deal.

You know New Vegas is made by the creators of Fallout 2, right?

[Candidate 88766]

I fully agree with IGN. If the list had gone back to before 2005 I may have thought differently but as it stands I really do think Mass Effect 2 is the best modern game.

ME1 was a good story, let down by its gameplay. ME2 was, I think, a great game - the story (not quite up to ME1's), the characters (far better than ME1's) and the gameplay - all make it not only superior to ME1 but superior to every other game released in the last 6 years, at least in my opinion and based on the games I've played. The only games that could potentially take 1st place instead are Portal 1 or Bioshock.

As for the rest of the list, Portal 1 should be 2nd and Uncharted 2 should be ahead of Fallout 3, at least in my opinion. Half-life 2 episode 2 should also be in the top 10, and Halo Reach should e moved way back to the 20s or 30s. ME1 should also be higher, despite to problems.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:10 .

[KLUME777]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Call of Duty

Ah, Call of Duty. It always amazes me that that game gets high marks from anyone, considering that the single-player is an afterthought and the multiplayer sucks. I mean, seriously, TF2 is like 10x better and it's free now.

Call of Duty 4 was an absolutely terrific game, and is easily on my top 10 games this generation. Also, it think it is better than Mass Effect 2.

What, im to be burned with fire now because i like a popular game? Get over it. It's a great game, and if you can't see that, then your blind. Even if you just don't like shooters period, it's still a great game and deserves its recognition. Theres a reason Call of Duty is the massive juggernaught it is. That reason is CoD:4 (Also, i think Black Ops is a peice of crap, i was going to buy it, but after playing a friends copy, i immediately decided not to).

[Khran1505]

HELL. YES.

[ChurchOfZod]

I've been gaming for over 30 years across almost every platform, and I have no problem with ME2 getting the #1 spot. It is a ****ing masterpiece.

[Dangerfoot]

Never understood the hate for Call of Duty. I'm not a huge shooter fan, but it's obviously a competently made game.

[Il Divo]

Gunderic wrote...

To an extent, I agree. Most people would disapprove of these types of lists.

The whole list seems to be causing a bit of a stir though. I don't think everyone would react the same way if other games would have made the top  #1 category.

Why not, exactly? Everyone has a game they considered their favorite. When their favorite is not chosen, they tend to get angsty. I see no reason to believe that if Fallout 3 or Modern Warfare 2 had won, that there would not be a different segment of fans complaining.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 juillet 2011 - 11:18 .

[TheCrakFox]

IGN said at the start of the list that they were doing it because so many people ask them for reccommendations on what to play, so they just came up with a big list of great games. ****ing about the actual rank is pointless.

They also said they would only choose a single game from any series, so ****ing about a lack of ME1 is also pointless.

[legion999]

Polka14 wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

ME2 is way better than bioshock. And everytime I talked to someone in fallout 3 I almost fell asleep.

fallout
3 was boring? that is unfortunate for you but that game was far more
enjoyable and  challenging then me2. it was a real rpg. me2 is more of a
shooter then an rpg. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

"it was a real rpg" insert sten picture here

Also it wasn't challenging at all. What's challlenging about having maxed skils, special and an unkillable mutant with  a gatling laser?

Back on topic I would probably put Red Dead, New Vegas or ME1 above ME2. ME2 is in my top 10 though.

Modifié par legion999, 02 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[slimgrin]

I honestly put ME2 in my top 10 as well, but the placing of other classic games so low makes the list pretty dubious to me. Really, it should be done by category.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 juillet 2011 - 12:38 .

[Candidate 88766]

KLUME777 wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Call of Duty

Ah, Call of Duty. It always amazes me that that game gets high marks from anyone, considering that the single-player is an afterthought and the multiplayer sucks. I mean, seriously, TF2 is like 10x better and it's free now.

Call of Duty 4 was an absolutely terrific game, and is easily on my top 10 games this generation. Also, it think it is better than Mass Effect 2.

What, im to be burned with fire now because i like a popular game? Get over it. It's a great game, and if you can't see that, then your blind. Even if you just don't like shooters period, it's still a great game and deserves its recognition. Theres a reason Call of Duty is the massive juggernaught it is. That reason is CoD:4 (Also, i think Black Ops is a peice of crap, i was going to buy it, but after playing a friends copy, i immediately decided not to).

I agree, Call of Duty is a great series albiet it one that is now declining in quality. I think it peaked with CoD 4, and Black Ops was very dissapointing, but people hate on this series simply because it is popular or they don't like it, forgetting that it has completely defined modern online gaming. It may not have got there first, but Call of Duty really is the genre leader for online FPS multiplayer. It has also made gaming acceptable to an extent - so many people play CoD that the stereotype of gamers is starting to fade away at last. I also suspect this is another reason people hate on CoD - it has made their passtime more mainstream, and less 'exclusive' and this is somehow a bad thing.

One thing I will disagree with though is that as good as CoD 4 was I personally don't think it was better than ME2, although you are more than welcome to your opinion. Its nice to see someone who actually appreciates CoD rather than using it as an insult.

[N7 Spectre525]

Been gaming since the atari 2600 and I cant think of one game that i've played over the years that had me as pumped at the end as ME2. The first time through the Omega 4 relay my heart was pounding like mad,my palms were getting sweaty...no game ever did this to me. ME2 has its flaws but as far as Im concerned the ranking is well deserved.
And New Vegas should have fallout 3's spot. Its a little buggy at times but the game is solid and the replay value is through the roof.