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[fchopin]

All i can say it's a good laugh, i know which website not to take seriously in future.

[InvaderErl]

Gunderic wrote...

 

What position does it contradict? That no one likes Mass Effect 2?

I've acknowledged that some people like Mass Effect 2 ( without need for your link ). I'm already aware that there are quite a few who didn't, too. So far you've made it seem to me that you're the one wanting to dispute any semblance of polarization.

Not at all, I just find your use of the data to be confirmation bias at its finest.

Some people hit dislike on a YouTube video, these people must of course be dissatisfied with Mass Effect 2!

That was your position, you outright said that and its one you have no actual data to back it up, other than "first hand experience" (in others words you "think so"). Your argument's certainly been all over the place since people began addressing it, and has undergone quite a bit of backtracking when its convenient but its there and I will gladly quote it for you again if you want but what you said was simply not a case of "some people dislike ME2" which I would have never even bothered responding to since that's clearly a true statement, it was "the dislikes in that video indicate a significant backlash and dissatisfaction with ME2 as a game" to which the response has always been the question that the award is posing is naturally divisive to which you say you admit that but hold your position all the same in effect ignoring that bit of perspective even though you have nothing to outright back up yours and you've said as much yet continue to hold it.

But the GOTY video paints a far different picture than the one you've attempted to portray and is something that you have yet to address and continue to avoid. How do those results factor into your intrepretation?

Il Divo wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

To an extent, I agree. Most people would disapprove of these types of lists.

The
whole list seems to be causing a bit of a stir though. I don't think
everyone would react the same way if other games would have made the
top  #1 category.

Why not, exactly? Everyone has a game they considered their favorite. When their favorite is not chosen, they tend to get angsty. I see no reason to believe that if Fallout 3 or Modern Warfare 2 had won, that there would not be a
different segment of fans complaining.

Exactamundo.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 02:15 .

[Dangerfoot]

I didn't really feel like Assassin's Creed 1 was anything special at all.

[CroGamer002]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

squee365 wrote...
Your tinfoil hat is showing.

The sole fact that you are a fanboy doesn't necesairly give you the right to insult others who have diffrent views... because as IGN wisely told us - "either way you had an opinion." And that opinion is yours.

Short, you are annoying as ****.

Sir, Polka14 accused IGN that it was payed for putting ME2 on number 1 spot, just because he/she believes it's just decent game.


That's really douchy to say, even when IGN(orant) is in question.

[marshalleck]

Where did Dragon Age 2, the game IGN called "RPG of the decade" place in the ranking?

[TheOtherTheoG]

marshallek - that was PC Gamer, not IGN, they gave it an 8 I think. Not sticking up for IGN, just getting some facts straight. Oh, and it wasn't on the list, they only had one game per series and DAO was in the 80's somewhere.

Anyways, if I was going to make a list, same rules as IGN's:
1. Portal 2
2. Bioshock
3. Team Fortress 2
4. Mass Effect 2
5. Mario Galaxy
6. Half-Life 2 Episode 2
7. Uncharted 2
8. Fallout 3
9. Arkham Asylum
10. Modern Warfare

[emanziboy]

marshalleck wrote...

Where did Dragon Age 2, the game IGN called "RPG of the decade" place in the ranking?

They only allowed one game per franchise, which is why ME1 isn't on the list. They just picked the better Dragon Age game to be on the list. To be fair to IGN, they were released in two different decades.

[In Exile]

marshalleck wrote...

Where did Dragon Age 2, the game IGN called "RPG of the decade" place in the ranking?

You're thinking of the Escapist, and this is clearly the relative to DA2, the list of games that try to reach greatness and fail Top 100 modern games list.

[upsettingshorts]

There are far bigger "wats" on that list than Mass Effect 2's position.

And no, I'm not talking about FIFA 11 or NBA 2K11. Those games do deserve it, both are widely considered the best ever - and significant leaps forward, not easy to accomplish given the yearly turnaround - in their respective genres. 

Hint: Fable 2 is higher than Dragon Age: Origins and The Witcher 2

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 juillet 2011 - 02:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Hint: Fable 2 is higher than Dragon Age: Origins and The Witcher 2

*facepalm at IGN*

[Polka14]

legion999 wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

ME2 is way better than bioshock. And everytime I talked to someone in fallout 3 I almost fell asleep.

fallout
3 was boring? that is unfortunate for you but that game was far more
enjoyable and  challenging then me2. it was a real rpg. me2 is more of a
shooter then an rpg. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

"it was a real rpg" insert sten picture here

Also it wasn't challenging at all. What's challlenging about having maxed skils, special and an unkillable mutant with  a gatling laser?

Back on topic I would probably put Red Dead, New Vegas or ME1 above ME2. ME2 is in my top 10 though.

It is more fun and challenging to get maxed skills. There is a large area for exploration and tougher enemies that can be targeted in different areas and requires different tactics to kill. me2 is more simple in comparison and had no areas of exploration. only mission levels.

and bioshock was more fun too. it had fps combat but it played like an rpg. me2 doesn't have very strong rpg elements. i think me3 will be a pure third person shooter. :(if that is what they want then they need to try and make the best third person shooter they can make.

and me1 was better in nearly every way possible. better gameplay, exploration, story, in-game music....
me1 should have been in the top ten but not above bioshock of course that should have ranked #1

[upsettingshorts]

Also I view New Vegas as superior to Fallout 3, but it's stopped shocking me when people say they prefer FO3. It used to, though.

[Il Divo]

Polka14 wrote...

and me1 was better in nearly every way possible. better gameplay, exploration, story, in-game music....
me1 should have been in the top ten but not above bioshock of course that should have ranked #1

Thanks for the laugh. And so early in the day, too.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[lazuli]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Hint: Fable 2 is higher than Dragon Age: Origins and The Witcher 2

Lol.

[Polka14]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Also I view New Vegas as superior to Fallout 3, but it's stopped shocking me when people say they prefer FO3. It used to, though.

no. FO3 is actually better. nothing wrong with it at all. i didn't even finish new vegas. it is extremely full of glitches like that one glitch where a character was magically teleported across the map on top of a mountain and you can't reach that person to talk to him. most glitched game i ever played. <_<

[upsettingshorts]

Polka14 wrote...

no. FO3 is actually better.

Opinions are not facts. 

In my opinion there's plenty wrong with Fallout 3.  There's also plenty wrong with New Vegas.  

Polka14 wrote...

i didn't even finish new vegas.

I'm more tolerant of glitches than most players, plus most of it has been patched. 

...also lets not kid ourselves, pretty much all of Bethesda's games using that engine - including Fallout 3 - are glitchy as hell. 

That said, I'm not sure what "Polka14 didn't finish New Vegas" is supposed to mean for my relative enjoyment of the two games.

I'd add more to this post, but my script caused me to walk off a high ledge in Megaton and I died.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 juillet 2011 - 03:31 .

[InvaderErl]

I enjoyed FO3 and found NV to be a much better game entirely, though I didn't really suffer any glitches aside from not being able to hack a door at one point for a sidequest.

[TomY90]

Overall of the games I have been on was pretty much spot on with the rankings.

I definitely think Mass Effect 2 totally deserved the award of being the best game of modern games.

The only thing that worries me is that Mass Effect 3 has a huge amount to live up considering how highly received it has been by both the critics and the general public.

I would be surprised if Mass Effect 3 turned out to be like Godfather 3 or Die Hard 3 (aka rubbish) I hope it be even better which if anyone can improve on perfection its Bioware.

[clopin]

Am I the only one super pleased to see Castle Crashers at #48?

[KLUME777]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Call of Duty

Ah, Call of Duty. It always amazes me that that game gets high marks from anyone, considering that the single-player is an afterthought and the multiplayer sucks. I mean, seriously, TF2 is like 10x better and it's free now.

Call of Duty 4 was an absolutely terrific game, and is easily on my top 10 games this generation. Also, it think it is better than Mass Effect 2.

What, im to be burned with fire now because i like a popular game? Get over it. It's a great game, and if you can't see that, then your blind. Even if you just don't like shooters period, it's still a great game and deserves its recognition. Theres a reason Call of Duty is the massive juggernaught it is. That reason is CoD:4 (Also, i think Black Ops is a peice of crap, i was going to buy it, but after playing a friends copy, i immediately decided not to).

I agree, Call of Duty is a great series albiet it one that is now declining in quality. I think it peaked with CoD 4, and Black Ops was very dissapointing, but people hate on this series simply because it is popular or they don't like it, forgetting that it has completely defined modern online gaming. It may not have got there first, but Call of Duty really is the genre leader for online FPS multiplayer. It has also made gaming acceptable to an extent - so many people play CoD that the stereotype of gamers is starting to fade away at last. I also suspect this is another reason people hate on CoD - it has made their passtime more mainstream, and less 'exclusive' and this is somehow a bad thing.

One thing I will disagree with though is that as good as CoD 4 was I personally don't think it was better than ME2, although you are more than welcome to your opinion. Its nice to see someone who actually appreciates CoD rather than using it as an insult.

As much as i do like the Mass Effect series, it has never held my attention as much as other RPG games like DAO, and all Bethesda games (including Obsidion's F:NV).

I consider CoD:4 better than ME2 simply because i put an insane amount of hours into the multiplayer ( around 15-20 days i think, and then again with MW2, although not as good) and i had a load of fun all the way. Its singleplayer was also very very good. That beats ME2. RPG's are my favourite genre, but i like a lot of other type of games as well, and that includes CoD online.

[InvaderErl]

clopin wrote...

Am I the only one super pleased to see Castle Crashers at #48?

As somebody who really enjoyed CC myself, not at all.

[Gunderic]

  

InvaderErl wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

What position does it contradict? That no one likes Mass Effect 2?

I've acknowledged that some people like Mass Effect 2 ( without need for your link ). I'm already aware that there are quite a few who didn't, too. So far you've made it seem to me that you're the one wanting to dispute any semblance of polarization.

Not at all, I just find your use of the data to be confirmation bias at its finest.

Whether it's 'confirmation bias' or not is hardly a strong counterargument. Address the points.

Some people hit dislike on a YouTube video, these people must of course be dissatisfied with Mass Effect 2!

Some -- that, coupled with the negative reaction toward the video indicates some measure of correlation. To me, at least.

That was your position, you outright said that and its one you have no actual data to back it up, other than "first hand experience" (in others words you "think so"). Your argument's certainly been all over the place since people began addressing it, and has undergone quite a bit of backtracking when its convenient 

You're the one I primarily recall adressing my arguments, and the 'backtracking' is a result of you quoting previous comments of mine.

but its there and I will gladly quote it for you again if you want but what you said was simply not a case of "some people dislike ME2" which I would have never even bothered responding to since that's clearly a true statement, it was "the dislikes in that video indicate a significant backlash and dissatisfaction with ME2 as a game" 

It -- along with the reaction to IGN's list -- quite clearly indicates that "not everyone thought Mass Effect 2 to be the end-all, be-all, prize crown of gaming." I don't think trying to repeat the same straw man ad nauseam will result in me forgetting what I said, considering my replies here are quite easy to find. Whether it's a definitive statement of 'significant dislike'  to Mass Effect 2 as a whole ( which is a vey relative consideration regardless ) is somehow a bit different.


to which the response has always been the question that the award is posing is naturally divisive to which yousay you admit that but hold your position all the same in effect ignoring that bit of perspective even though you have nothing to outright back up yours and you've said as much yet continue to hold it.

I think I've already answered this one once or twice. 

But the GOTY video paints a far different picture than the one you've attempted to portray and is something that you have yet to address and continue to avoid. How do those results factor into your intrepretation?

So what exactly are you trying to prove with that video? I'd like to know.

InvaderErl wrote...
To further the point that the question is naturally divisive I posted a link with twice the votes and over 2/3rds of its being in favor of the decision to name ME2 goty which directly contradicts the notion that the YouTube dislikes in the newer video are some sign that "Considering the amount of dislikes" - "I'd suspect there are more than three users" to supporting the notion  that "half of ME2 fans like ME1 better"

You don't think you might have jumped to conclusions a bit here? It's really not that hard to pinpoint where.

In short you made suppositions that haven't thus far backed up beyond vague and speculatory statements

Funny how that works.

and when I presented you with evidence that has AT LEAST as much validity (if not more due to sheer numerical superiority) as the video you were basing your opinion on, you chose to omit that and only that information while suddenly stating that you didn't want to rely on data and that suddenly the Youtube data YOU were using was now no longer reliable and you were using "first-hand" (?) information. 

You're still trying to go awfully far with a few red herrings. "First-hand" information refers to information from the original video on youtube, the same one linked here on IGN. Might sound a bit misleading, I'll give you that.

I've overlooked this, but it seems to be a good summary of assumptions thrown left and right.

Modifié par Gunderic, 02 juillet 2011 - 03:58 .

[The Spamming Troll]

biowares own forum is doubting ME2s success. that should be sign enough that something seems fishy.

ME2 isnt close to perfection. its more along the lines of herp derp video games, to me atleast. especially being a sequal to the glory that is ME1.

GOTY must be close to perfection. ME2 offers nothing another video game didnt do better.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 02 juillet 2011 - 03:59 .