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[legion999]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

no. FO3 is actually better.

Opinions are not facts. 

In my opinion there's plenty wrong with Fallout 3.  There's also plenty wrong with New Vegas.  

Polka14 wrote...

i didn't even finish new vegas.

I'm more tolerant of glitches than most players, plus most of it has been patched. 

...also lets not kid ourselves, pretty much all of Bethesda's games using that engine - including Fallout 3 - are glitchy as hell. 

That said, I'm not sure what "Polka14 didn't finish New Vegas" is supposed to mean for my relative enjoyment of the two games.

I'd add more to this post, but my script caused me to walk off a high ledge in Megaton and I died.

Sir you owe me a new screen and one bottle of water. Oh and Fable 2 was above DA:O? Facedesk

[AlanC9]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

biowares own forum is doubting ME2s success. that should be sign enough that something seems fishy.

Sure. The concept of the award itself is irrational. That doesn't mean there's a game that deserves this silly award more than ME2 does.

[littlezack]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

biowares own forum is doubting ME2s success. that should be sign enough that something seems fishy.

That's not a sign of anything. First off, it's hardly the entire forum that's 'doubting'. Secondly, the people that come here are hardly represenative of the 'average ME player'. Most people don't care enough about games - any game - to come onto a forum and rant about a videogame that won't even be coming out for nine months. The people who come here are the most dedicated fans, and therefore the ones with the strongest and most verdant opinions.

[Alraiis]

A group of voters came up with a 100-item list that in any way differs from my opinion? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[The Spamming Troll]

firs off, i didnt say entire forum.

secondly, isnt that why this topic should be a concern tho? becasue even biowares own forum is questioning the success of ME2???

its not aunanamous victory cry you see here. its more like, well, were the witcher 2 and red dead redemption better? im nto sure who wouldnt agree wit hthat, except those very same hardcore ME2 fans you described to me.

and not everyone in here is actually a ME2 fan anyways, like myself.

[littlezack]

Aunanamous...oh, anonymous, okay.

Anyway. When you have an original and a sequel that changes things, there's always going to be people who hate on the changes and stay around to make their opinions known. That's fine and expected. But just because a handful of guys on a forum dog on ME2 hardly means ME3 is in trouble. Hell, there were a lot of people here dogging on ME2 before it even came out, and it did just fine.

[emanziboy]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

firs off, i didnt say entire forum.

secondly, isnt that why this topic should be a concern tho? becasue even biowares own forum is questioning the success of ME2???

its not aunanamous victory cry you see here. its more like, well, were the witcher 2 and red dead redemption better? im nto sure who wouldnt agree wit hthat, except those very same hardcore ME2 fans you described to me.

and not everyone in here is actually a ME2 fan anyways, like myself.

When it comes to posting on a forum or voting in an online poll, the only people who are willing to go through the effort to take part have strong opinions on the subject. Because it only includes people who choose to be part of the discusion, it can't accurately represent the opinions everyone who has played the game. I think the proper term is voluntary response bias.

Modifié par emanziboy, 02 juillet 2011 - 04:30 .

[Dangerfoot]

Oh New Vegas... Every now and then I miss that game, and then I remember that it crashed every 1-3 hours of gameplay. After the patch.

[The Spamming Troll]

littlezack wrote...

Aunanamous...oh, anonymous, okay.

Anyway. When you have an original and a sequel that changes things, there's always going to be people who hate on the changes and stay around to make their opinions known. That's fine and expected. But just because a handful of guys on a forum dog on ME2 hardly means ME3 is in trouble. Hell, there were a lot of people here dogging on ME2 before it even came out, and it did just fine.

nope, i mean autobots, like from the transformers. or maybe not. 

i completely understadn the reason why i am here. its becasue ME1 is the gaem i want to see in ME3, not ME2.

i wouldnt say its a handfull. again, look at this very topic.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 02 juillet 2011 - 04:56 .

[littlezack]

I'd still call it a handful. Hell, compared against the vast number of people who bought the game and gave it positive reviews, it doesn't even qualify as a handful. More like a pinkyful.

[sbvera13]

Reading the article, I finally understood why ME2 is so popular... it crossed RPG style and flair into a market that had never seen such things.  These people simply won't recognize the lack of flow, lazy writing (Laarus project aka Big Red Reset Button in particular), monotonous combat or that it doesn't hold a candle to previous games made in either genre.  It makes sense to me now.

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i completely understadn the reason why i am here. its becasue ME1 is the gaem i want to see in ME3, not ME2.

i wouldnt say its a handfull. again, look at this very topic.

Agreed, although not from a mechanics perspective.  Hybrids are fun and I wish Bioware luck in getting the formula right.  What I miss is the art, music, and fantastic cinematic presentation most of all.  ME1 felt like a movie; ME2 felt like a game, and not a remarkable one either.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

OMGZ IGN's soooooo stoopid they are so wrong about their top list why do their writers even have jobs????!!!!!

Don't like their list? Make your own

[sbvera13]

Don't like their list? Make your own

Any list that doesn't have the original Deus Ex in the top spot loses all credibility for me... at least they techincally excluded it with the 2005-11 thing.  Gives them enough breathing room to not look like complete tools.  Looks like they wasted it though.

[littlezack]

I'd actually say ME2 felt much more like a movie than ME1. In ME2, the characters move around in when you hold conversations with them;, they sit up, stand, walk about, smoke, type on computers, lean against walls, et cetera. The camera focuses on different things, gets the scene from different angles, pans out, focuses on objects of interest; In ME1, they just...stand there. And do that weird head gesture when they walk out of a scene.

Modifié par littlezack, 02 juillet 2011 - 05:17 .

[The Spamming Troll]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

OMGZ IGN's soooooo stoopid they are so wrong about their top list why do their writers even have jobs????!!!!!

agreed.

[Babli]

Someone taking IGN seriously? lol
Also...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Hint: Fable 2 is higher than Dragon Age: Origins and The Witcher 2

Epic fail.

[InvaderErl]

Gunderic wrote...
Whether it's 'confirmation bias' or not is hardly a strong counterargument. Address the points.

Sure.

Gunderic wrote...


You're the one I primarily recall adressing my arguments, and the 'backtracking' is a result of you quoting previous comments of mine.

There were numerous posters that made the same point I did about the question being one that was going to provoke a reaction, SomeoneWithMass, Eduadinho, AlanC9.

As for the backtracking, I'm not surprised that you had to do it once I started quoting what you were actually saying.

Gunderic wrote...

It -- along with the reaction to IGN's list -- quite clearly indicates that "not everyone thought Mass Effect 2 to be the end-all, be-all, prize crown of gaming." I don't think trying to repeat the same straw man ad nauseam will result in me forgetting what I said, considering my replies here are quite easy to find. Whether it's a definitive statement of 'significant dislike'  to Mass Effect 2 as a whole ( which is a vey relative consideration regardless ) is somehow a bit different.

Except that's not what your original argument was, its not something I would have bothered to respond to, that's what you made your argument into when it began to crumble.

Gunderic wrote...
So what exactly are you trying to prove with that video? I'd like to know.

You asserted that

Gunderic wrote...

 it shows that there are a significantly higher number of people who were displeased with the direction the gametook, or considered the first entry in the franchise to be better than the sequel than you might have initially thought -- or trying to trivialize, like others have attempted to on these forums.

That was your quote, I'm sorry if that's incovenient but its right there in black and white, regardless of what your trying to backpeddle it towards now.

To which people again responded that the dislikes were most likely due to the divisive nature of the award in question.

You using the dislikes in the initial video as some measure of backlash is faulty when the GOTY award video has a much higher ratio of likes to dislikes, well over 2/3 in fact, and has more views/votes.

Gunderic wrote...
You're still trying to go awfully far with a few red herrings. "First-hand" information refers to information from the original video on youtube, the same one linked here on IGN. Might sound a bit misleading, I'll give you that.

I've overlooked this, but it seems to be a good summary of assumptions thrown left and right.

So essentially "first hand" is you guessing about the meaning of numbers on a Youtube video, gotcha.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:08 .

[emanziboy]

sbvera13 wrote...

Reading the article, I finally understood why ME2 is so popular... it crossed RPG style and flair into a market that had never seen such things.  These people simply won't recognize the lack of flow, lazy writing (Laarus project aka Big Red Reset Button in particular), monotonous combat or that it doesn't hold a candle to previous games made in either genre.  It makes sense to me now.

:headdesk:

This statement is so offensively wrong, I'm just at a loss for words right now. You can't seriously believe that.

[Lumikki]

mm.. people arguing taste of games as what order they should be. mm..
Anyone expects agreements?

[Kandid001]

>IGN

[Turran]

I think Mass Effect 2 is a good game, worthly of the number 1 spot? Probably not.. It isn't ground-breaking combat or dynamic character development, that is not saying it is bad, but it isn't WOW! Kind of standard..


Personally I can think of a few games which I would of placed before ME2.. But it is just some guys opinion on the matter.. Sometimes it is hard to think of every game while putting them in a list, even harder to rank them.

Modifié par Turran, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:08 .

[Augustei]

Wheres DAO on that list? That list is wrong! MW is in the top 20 but not DAO!!Also MGS3 should be in top 20, and COH

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:30 .

[Aoba]

snowfox522 wrote...

Holy crap I started a war posting this.

Ha, I've been there and it's not as much fun as some might think.  Seven years back, I somehow managed to ****** off a fair few fans by drawing a single piece of Nickelodeon-related fanart. The fanasco lasted over two years (yes, years). Certainly not the best way to get attention, but I got some good laughs out of the whole crapstorm. Ah, the "True Fans vs. Anti-Fans War of '04-'06." Good times, man. Good times.

Anyway, to get back on-topic, if IGN liked ME2 so much to give 'em the #1 spot, I see no problem. Their choice seems to be based simply on their opinion. They really enjoyed the game, so it landed at #1 on their top 100 modern games' list. If a few of you are really getting your knickers in a twist over someone else's opinion, me thinks you need to do one of three things:

1. Look at your life, look at your choices
2. Get over it by drowning your sorrows in beer
or 3. Find the tallest building in your neighbourhood, get yourself to the tippy-top somehow, and then simply scream your frustrations to the Heavens.

I usually go for option 2, but switch beer with grape-flavoured Gatorade. Delicious stuff, that.